"Left Behind" episode

[3d-aholic]

In the Left behind episode, Kate and Juliette are hiding from the smoke monster...when suddenly there are flashes of light...and then smokie backs up quickly as symbolized by the camera.

If there is anyone in this section of the forum, what does this mean to you? I have not seen this light before...up to this point. Its significant to me.

I believe its Jacob...and I am surprised to think that Jacob can actually intervene in some cases against smokey.

[3d-aholic]

Anyone...
What do you think?
I know everyone always has an opinion on what the take way was suppose to be...

[LincolnEcho06]

I'm still reading Ben List thread in which only 2 posts so far have actually touched the main subject originally posted.

I'm rewatching season 3 and that is the next episode I'm watching. I watched Expose` last night and heard the smokey sound and all those medusa spiders appeared to get Nikki (did not see smokey though). Seeing is believing on the tv show and I think writers and editors put things in to have optional scenarios later on.

[notsolost42]

Actually, smokie apprached the banyan tree where Kate and Juliet were huddled together and the flashes that you saw were like it was taking pictures. It was scanning Juliet. It did not leave all that quickly. It left when it was done. I made a thread about that episode a few days ago because of what Juliet said to Kate in that same scene. She told Kate that she had dislocated her shoulder four times and I thought it sounded peculiar the way she said it. It made me think that Juliet had been in that time loop four times now.

[LincolnEcho06]

From what I know about Smokey is that it is perhaps reading into people at first. The other two whom we saw get a face to face with Smokey were Locke and Eko. Locke said he saw a glorious white light, but Eko said he saw darkness. Juliet gets flashes of white light - guess she has nothing to fear from Smokey.

There was another thread titled "for those who don't believe Locke is the smoke monster" or something along those lines; I was tryting to gather evidence in that thread to analyze and understand what Smokey is.

[3d-aholic]

It did not leave all that quickly.
It left as fast you can get a camera to go back. There is a limit to how fast you can do that....and they were at it.

The only implication you can get from that is that it was leaving in a hurry....exactly why I don't know. But that same episode is where "sound" is used to keep the smoke monster at bay.

The other thing I was thinking is that since Juliette is an "other" the smoke monster maybe was getting warned...your not allowed to touch these people.

Perhaps there will be a clue in what episodes are left.

[losttime]

When I saw that episode and also the episode where it was looking at Eko and the camera went through Smokey and we saw the images of Eko's past I thought it was doing the same thing and scanning Juliet. it seemed to be focused on her more so than Kate but really hard to tell. I know in the Eko clip you didnt really see light flashing off Eko's face as it did Juliet's And Kates but maybe it was just because he was so close to her or who knows maybe just how he was reading Juliet. It might also have to do with the fact that she was a hostile or even because by this point I believe she was marked. maybe being marked makes you vulnerable to Smokey.

[3d-aholic]

When I saw that episode and also the episode where it was looking at Eko and the camera went through Smokey and we saw the images of Eko's past I thought it was doing the same thing and scanning Juliet.

Well that seemed entirely different to me.

1. We didn't really see any images...flashes of her or people she knew in her life. So, I did not get any thing that would lead me to scanning. It was like stop motion strob.
2. It was an intense bright white light...very intense and kind of a "warning" sound or "stop it" sound is how I would interpret the sound they played with the light....kind of low bass alarm sound.
3. It did seemed concentrated on Juliet.

I suppose we could connect this with John Lockes experience but John Locke said he saw a "wonderful white light"...and that he looked into and what he saw was "beautiful". That light didn't look beautiful to me. We don't have Juliet saying anything like this and if we go by what she is saying, this is her first true encounter. Maybe I haven't got to the point of her saying that yet.

It really looked more like "protection" to me.

And the sound at the fence was similar.

My own theory is that the sound and light particles vibrate the smoke molecules at a certain frequency disrupting them and thus prevent smokey from going further. Sound and light have similar scientific properties as to waves which have amplitude and frequency and speed.

[losttime]

Well that seemed entirely different to me.

1. We didn't really see any images...flashes of her or people she knew in her life. So, I did not get any thing that would lead me to scanning. It was like stop motion strob.
2. It was an intense bright white light...very intense and kind of a "warning" sound or "stop it" sound is how I would interpret the sound they played with the light....kind of low bass alarm sound.
3. It did seemed concentrated on Juliet.

I suppose we could connect this with John Lockes experience but John Locke said he saw a "wonderful white light"...and that he looked into and what he saw was "beautiful". That light didn't look beautiful to me. We don't have Juliet saying anything like this and if we go by what she is saying, this is her first true encounter. Maybe I haven't got to the point of her saying that yet. But hey I am shocked you agree with me that it seemed to concentrate on Juliet. Sure you want to keep it hat way or disagree with me simply because I said it?

It really looked more like "protection" to me.

And the sound at the fence was similar.

My own theory is that the sound and light particles vibrate the smoke molecules at a certain frequency disrupting them and thus prevent smokey from going further. Sound and light have similar scientific properties as to waves which have amplitude and frequency and speed.

No because the flashes of people from her past would be seen in the smoke monster itself not on her as seen within the smoke monster as was with Eko. In Eko's example we were seeing the images from within the smoke monster but were able to see Eko through the smoke. it was also make that printer taxi receipt sound if I remember correctly while the flashes of light were going off when looking at Juliet and also while the images were appearing while the camera was going through the smoke monster while looking at Eko

[LincolnEcho06]

Sorry to be a jerk, but isn't she dead anyhow? We'll never know unless it is in a flashback.

[notsolost42]

No because the flashes of people from her past would be seen in the smoke monster itself not on her as seen within the smoke monster as was with Eko. In Eko's example we were seeing the images from within the smoke monster but were able to see Eko through the smoke. it was also make that printer taxi receipt sound if I remember correctly while the flashes of light were going off when looking at Juliet and also while the images were appearing while the camera was going through the smoke monster while looking at Eko

I absolutly agree with you. When smokie scanned Eko there were eleven distinct images shown "on" or "in" smokie of Eko's past. I watched on DVD and went frame by frame to find them all. In fact, I started a thread about it and ecplained each and every one of them. Smokie seemed to be scanning Juliet in much the same way. I think the bright white flashes were metophoric or symbolic of the flashes a camera produces when it takes a photograph and that's why it was done that way. It scanned John Locke in much the same way or at least that was what we were told as they never showed it.

As for the post about the noise at the sonic fence and light and how it affects smokie by 3-d...
Sound waves and light waves or particles are completly different. You really cannot compare the two with each other. Light is the only thing that can be in both a particle and a wave state. The sonic fence produced a sound wave with a high vibration. That's why a sonic waves are used to clean things like jewelry or teeth. The vibrations losen the dirt and debris. I imagine that smokie doesn't like the feeling that a sonic wave produces in it. Perhaps the vibration would simply destroy the molecules it is made of by losening them and disapating them. IDK. That's the science fiction part and we don't have enough information. One other thing about a sonic wave, the vibration produces a great deal of friction via vibrations, which in turn results in heat. I have thought of smokie as a plasma, which is made of electically charged or ionized gas. The sonic waves could be very distructive to this as temperature controls the ionization. This is something I read that I thought was interesting about weaponized sonic waves:

"Strong sonic waves passing through the human body also effect the nerves of the human body. A choking effect can be produced by passing the right frequency sonic wave through the neck of a human. The vocal chords will resonate, which causes this choking sensation. Passing a sonic wave through the chest can effect the lungs and produce a gasping for air reflex. Ultrasonic waves passing through the head can cause severe head pains. A shot to the stomach will produce a violent reflex of the stomach muscle, which could take a standing person down. The weapons are used for crowd control, and they are designed to disable a person in a riot situation. Most often, the weapons will not cause any damage to the human body and no marks will be left on the human body after being hit with these sonic weapons."

I don't think light affects smokie as it is often out in daylight and not just the rain.

[losttime]

Sorry to be a jerk, but isn't she dead anyhow? We'll never know unless it is in a flashback.

You arent being a jerk thats a good point but it might happen again with another character on the show with Smokey and the flashes on the persons face and get a perspective from the characters point of view to see if anything appears in the Smoke Monster.

[3d-aholic]

That's why a sonic waves are used to clean things like jewelry or teeth.

I didn't say they were the same thing....I said they have similar properties.
You can clean things with light (aka radation) as well. When you go into surgery, thats how they clean your surgical instruments before hand. Now thats clean. Its also how I clean my pool.


I don't think light affects smokie as it is often out in daylight and not just the rain.
Well that is but one 1/100 of the total radiation spectrum. When I mean light...I'm referring more generically to "light radiation"..of which visible light is but one part of. However, in movies, white light is the only way you can show radiation.

Anyway, I understand what you are proposing that its the same thing as Ecko...yet they made it "completely" different than his scenario with little or no scenario overlap, no flashes of her life and no "recognition" at all on her part that the smoke monster was scanning her, and they even changed the sound. Literally, no similiarity to the previous event with Ecko except that it involved a person and smokie....

[LincolnEcho06]

I never thought of light as cleaning someone. I've got one of those sonic toothbrushes and the compartment I put the heads in for sanitizing is done with ultraviolet light.

I felt Smokey was neglected for half of season 3. Hope to see more interaction. In the mean time I'll continue my investigation of Smokey dos and don'ts.

[notsolost42]

Actually, I am beginning to agree with those of you who said there are two smoke monsters, one white and one black. I think the one that scanned Eko was the black smoke monster and the one that scanned Juliet was the white one. Yes, as 3-d said, they both made different noises. The black smokie makes loud exposive sounding noises and seems quite destructive when it wants to be. The white smoke monster, which we have probably seen a lot less, makes that taxi cab reciept printer noise. It photographs when it scans. If that is so, that there are two smokies, then I bet one is Jacob's and one is his nemesis's or perhaps even be their true forms....

[3d-aholic]

I never thought of light as cleaning someone. I've got one of those sonic toothbrushes and the compartment I put the heads in for sanitizing is done with ultraviolet light.

I felt Smokey was neglected for half of season 3. Hope to see more interaction. In the mean time I'll continue my investigation of Smokey dos and don'ts.
Thats because season 3 is mostly about Jacob....but you have to understand who Jacob is or does to "spot him". He's not obvious like Smokey.

I'm not saying the light was used to clean anyone. The cleaning reference was only to prove a point about similarities in properties with something listed for sound like it was unique to it and not radiation.

Anyway, I would like to hear all the theories.

[3d-aholic]

Actually, I am beginning to agree with those of you who said there are two smoke monsters, one white and one black.

I really think there is more to this. Black -vs- white. Black smoke -vs- pure white light. Could still be a second smoke...I have not ruled that out. I tried...but it can't be ruled out.

It would better explain what Locke saw if that were the case. But I think Locke saw what he wanted to see.

[LincolnEcho06]

It sounds intriguing for there to be more than one Smokey, but there was that inscription/painting on the wall showing only one smoke entity that guards the temple and is in cahoots with an Anubis type. How about the snakes by Anubis, who/what do you think represents that?
http://www.parachutingtrees.co.uk/lost/se05ep12/anubis-smokey.jpg

I googled "smokey on wall" and they gave me this as option 1
http://www.1cabinfurniture.com/images/P/TW-SCOS13P_275-02.jpg

[notsolost42]

How about the Anubis itself? We haven't seen one...the statue was Taweret. There is no Anubis walking around on the island. What if the black smokie was Anubis or vice versa?

[LincolnEcho06]

Guess I'll brush off my Ancient Egypt book as I'm sure those characters were talked about before and what they represent.

Do you think it's a stretch to say the snakes could be Jacob and MiB? or Jacob and Richard.

Do you agree Jacob is a martyr? I just don't know exactly what for other than the broad answer of the island.

[notsolost42]

Guess I'll brush off my Ancient Egypt book as I'm sure those characters were talked about before and what they represent.

Do you think it's a stretch to say the snakes could be Jacob and MiB? or Jacob and Richard.

Do you agree Jacob is a martyr? I just don't know exactly what for other than the broad answer of the island.

Anubis helped the dead pass to the other afterlife if I remember. So, he is key to the underworld. That possibly could be the smokie that knocks down all the trees and blows holes in the ground. The one that roars. If there are two monsters that could be TPTB big unexpected twist? IDK. I don't think of Jacob as a martyr. We will find out why he accepted his death so readily and willingly. My bet is because you can't really kill him...he's not human. After all, we did see him in the late 1800's, right? So, that would have made him mighty old. Old like Richard.....

[LincolnEcho06]

Never thought about the different noises as deciphering different Smokeys. I just applied the if you're immortal, you immortally live until someone kills you. I'm not up to par on my immortal theology.

A thought does cross my mind as Jacob was thrown in the fire and eventually he will have no body; nothing remains but ash and SMOKE. Perhaps the creation of Smokey? However, Jacob-Smokey needs to travel back to the dawn of time.

[notsolost42]

Never thought about the different noises as deciphering different Smokeys. I just applied the if you're immortal, you immortally live until someone kills you. I'm not up to par on my immortal theology.

A thought does cross my mind as Jacob was thrown in the fire and eventually he will have no body; nothing remains but ash and SMOKE. Perhaps the creation of Smokey? However, Jacob-Smokey needs to travel back to the dawn of time.

Maybe that returns him to his natural form....????

[LincolnEcho06]

I would buy that. It's nice and simple.

[notsolost42]

I would buy that. It's nice and simple.

Well, TPTB have said that the island is on earth, but they didn't say which earth, and that every person is from earth, person, and added that smokie was a native...so.....I wish I could find that podcast. It would have had to be in the last 4 or so I think. I think it was a podcast. I started reading so many interviews and watching a bunch of interviews on DarkUFO Spoilers that I get confused so forgive me if I am wrong.

[3d-aholic]

It sounds intriguing for there to be more than one Smokey, but there was that inscription/painting on the wall showing only one smoke entity that guards the temple and is in cahoots with an Anubis type. How about the snakes by Anubis, who/what do you think represents that?


Snakes typically represent "evil" and/or "satan" and have so forever and ever. The picture depicts Anubis the jackle headed god of the "underworld" "confering" with what looks like smokie. It looks like "judgement day" to me with the evil serpents in the background.

I am 98% sure there is only one smoke monster.

However, I believe the white light was Jacob as an antithesis to the "black" smoke. He protected Juliet.