my little assesment

[bagsmcg]

Hi this is my first ever post anywhere so be kind as I'm sensitive:D.
I have an overall therory about the direction of the plot an the final outome of the series. I have to admit that I avidly watched the first four series but once I thought that I knew the plot I kind of lost interest:eek:.Sorry to all ye dedicated followers however I have not seen anything that would not fit into my theory.
So here we go I hope that I explain properly and I would be interested in the views of the forum on whether it is a runner or not. There are many people on here that have more analytical information than me.
I believe ( Miss Teen America moment ) that the whole series thread is based around people that have had contact primarily just before the crash with the medical profession. They all have unresolved issues in the real world and seem to be working out these issues while on the island. I believe that they are all in the realtime world been treated to a new pshyciatric treatment involving a group dream therapy or something similar. DARMA is the acronome for this therapy and by all these people experiencing there problem, fears and phobias together they become cured. I believe (there we go again )that certain characters within the programme are administrators trying to direct the patients towards closure or resolution however whos who is something that I can't get a handle on. I believe that the others are primarily medical but then wonder are they a second group with the terapy been intertwined. I believe ( god I think my hair is going blond) that the parts of the real world either relate to people that have completed there therapy but are concerned with the rest that are still in a trance or that this is a second tier in there therapy but I want to clarify that a as I havn't seen the last two series that this may be a point upon which I'm attacked. Finally I think that when characters are killed of it seems that they are at a point of self discovery and contentment with what has gone in the past. I think that the final sequence will culminate with the revelation that I'm right and a resolution in the real world of the wrongs of this experiment.:D

[Pung]

Very interesting. I think by your post, if I read correctly, that you have only seen the first 4 seasons?

I think season 5 may have given us more insight to the story to move away from your theory a little bit. I guess ultimately, I do not believe your theory will be played out in season 6, but if you haven't seen any of season 5, then I will give you a big kudos for your thoughts.

In particular, I personally like your thoughts on those main characters that have been killed. Many thoeries revolve around the idea of the island/smokie taking the life of someone once they have resolved their inner issues.

Keep up the good work, dont give up, and watch season 5 as soon as you can

[SpaceBar]

It's been pointed out a lot that characters seem to die after they've put their issues to rest.

But personally I think this is a bit coincidental...

Now before everyone runs to fast reply to verbally murder me, hear me out.

Of course, if you're going to kill off a much loved fictional character, it'd be nice if they went out without leaving too many demons behind. We know Michael atoned for his murder of Ana Lulu and Libby by saving the freighter folk, then he died. Boone got over Shannon; then died. Charlie, some say, learnt about family and responsibility before he went.

This all fine and dandy. But there are holes. If Locke really IS dead, he sure as hell didn't fulfill his personal dreams. Did Dr Atrz lay his demons to rest before he became hamburger? Sawyer got over HIS personal demons, so why ain't he dead?

Remember folks; people's demons and their destiny are two different things.

[losttime]

Hi this is my first ever post anywhere so be kind as I'm sensitive:D.
I have an overall therory about the direction of the plot an the final outome of the series. I have to admit that I avidly watched the first four series but once I thought that I knew the plot I kind of lost interest:eek:.Sorry to all ye dedicated followers however I have not seen anything that would not fit into my theory.
So here we go I hope that I explain properly and I would be interested in the views of the forum on whether it is a runner or not. There are many people on here that have more analytical information than me.
I believe ( Miss Teen America moment ) that the whole series thread is based around people that have had contact primarily just before the crash with the medical profession. They all have unresolved issues in the real world and seem to be working out these issues while on the island. I believe that they are all in the realtime world been treated to a new pshyciatric treatment involving a group dream therapy or something similar. DARMA is the acronome for this therapy and by all these people experiencing there problem, fears and phobias together they become cured. I believe (there we go again )that certain characters within the programme are administrators trying to direct the patients towards closure or resolution however whos who is something that I can't get a handle on. I believe that the others are primarily medical but then wonder are they a second group with the terapy been intertwined. I believe ( god I think my hair is going blond) that the parts of the real world either relate to people that have completed there therapy but are concerned with the rest that are still in a trance or that this is a second tier in there therapy but I want to clarify that a as I havn't seen the last two series that this may be a point upon which I'm attacked. Finally I think that when characters are killed of it seems that they are at a point of self discovery and contentment with what has gone in the past. I think that the final sequence will culminate with the revelation that I'm right and a resolution in the real world of the wrongs of this experiment.:D

So when Jack and the O6 got off the Island they were still in this study and didnt know it? Because based on what you are saying that this dream study involves them on the Island. I am just trying to understand it. Am I missing your point?
It seemed like after someone resolved their issues they were killed but Bens dad certainly didnt resolve his issues, JL didnt, nor did Eko and a few oters if I am not mistaking. So I really dont buy that theory but thats jus t how I feel about it.

[bagsmcg]

I think that my original post is a bit confusing so I will try to clarify it. The whole series is based around a computer progrmme that is running in a medical/research facility in our real world. The computer has linked a number of patients together in a type of group therapy session that is played out in a dream like/ alternate universe type plain. The series cronicles how each of the patients progress through this therapy and while there is some common ground on how each patient is progressing through the programme there are differences in how the programme is effecting them. In relation to the deaths of some characters not finalising there issues I think that the potral of their deaths is from another characters perception and not there own. To understand this you have to accept that each episode deals solely with one or two individuals journey through the programme/treatment. This would also exsplain how the story changes completely from episode o episode .Symbolisim within the series is very strong and as the series progresses I believe that this symbolism will become more obvious and its particular meaning. There are little details that I havn't figured out and I mean this as a basis for a theory that may be partially or wholley right. Bythe way thanks for the comments so far. Also I still don't know if the parts that are played out in the current world are and additional prograamme been run by the computer or are they based in the real time world. From the bits I have seen I think that they are the latter and that they will become the nub of the series as the series progresses with the characters raising issues with the people/doctors who subjected them to the treatment but as I have said I didnt see the last series butI might get it on box set and re post if I think my therory still fits or with adjustments to suit the evolving story. Sorry about the spelling but I cant see spell check on this thing.

[losttime]

I think that my original post is a bit confusing so I will try to clarify it. The whole series is based around a computer progrmme that is running in a medical/research facility in our real world. The computer has linked a number of patients together in a type of group therapy session that is played out in a dream like/ alternate universe type plain. The series cronicles how each of the patients progress through this therapy and while there is some common ground on how each patient is progressing through the programme there are differences in how the programme is effecting them. In relation to the deaths of some characters not finalising there issues I think that the potral of their deaths is from another characters perception and not there own. To understand this you have to accept that each episode deals solely with one or two individuals journey through the programme/treatment. This would also exsplain how the story changes completely from episode o episode .Symbolisim within the series is very strong and as the series progresses I believe that this symbolism will become more obvious and its particular meaning. There are little details that I havn't figured out and I mean this as a basis for a theory that may be partially or wholley right. Bythe way thanks for the comments so far. Also I still don't know if the parts that are played out in the current world are and additional prograamme been run by the computer or are they based in the real time world. From the bits I have seen I think that they are the latter and that they will become the nub of the series as the series progresses with the characters raising issues with the people/doctors who subjected them to the treatment but as I have said I didnt see the last series butI might get it on box set and re post if I think my therory still fits or with adjustments to suit the evolving story. Sorry about the spelling but I cant see spell check on this thing.

Personally, if this is all a medical study and what we have been watching a dream like Total Recall I will be more than mad. Thats my personal feeling about it. I think its a great concept but for this show in particular I wouldnt like it at all.

[bagsmcg]

Personally, if this is all a medical study and what we have been watching a dream like Total Recall I will be more than mad. Thats my personal feeling about it. I think its a great concept but for this show in particular I wouldnt like it at all.

Your assessment of my theory is about right but it would be a combination of total recall (which was totally crap with a tremendously confusing ending) + minority report ( i liked ) + lawnmower man ( brilliant ). Maybe a touch of orwells 1994/animal farm type mind control and a pinch of lord of the flies may appear as the plot progresses. I think if these were blended together it should make for a good finale. PS thanks for been nice I was afraid I was going to be eaten alive for not been a true LOST 24/7 fan with an opinionm:p

[losttime]

Your assessment of my theory is about right but it would be a combination of total recall (which was totally crap with a tremendously confusing ending) + minority report ( i liked ) + lawnmower man ( brilliant ). Maybe a touch of orwells 1994/animal farm type mind control and a pinch of lord of the flies may appear as the plot progresses. I think if these were blended together it should make for a good finale. PS thanks for been nice I was afraid I was going to be eaten alive for not been a true LOST 24/7 fan with an opinionm:p

Well your thought on the show has been addressed before. Not entirely the same but some have mentioned that this can all be a dream of one of the characters. I dont think your theory is idiotic at all per se but like I said I would be greatly disappointed if in fact that is what is going on. Personally I dont think it is the way you see it but one never knows with TPTB

[spartygirl]

First of all......WELCOME bagsmcg !!!!! ...glad you have joined us !!!!

I must agree with Losttime (again LOL).....if it did end like this I will be hugely dissappointed and upset.....while your theory is a probable ending, as is many of the other theories floating around here... I have never seen Total Recall so I cant relate to that...I do sometimes think there is some type of an experiment playing out...whether scientific, religious, or just an age old game....my brain gets be-fuddled and then I just decide to sit back and enjoy the ride !!:p Until the next episode then Im back trying to figure it all out LOL...

stop into the BARMA (a thread here on lost.com) and socialize with us !! and again...welcome !!!!:)

[New Age Messiah]

My first instinct was that it was an over and over again program that Dharma ran, that was intended to figure out how to get humanity off the hamster wheel it seems to run on, to its eventual destruction.

lostisagame.com is very possibly true, that the show is a computer game.

If it were a medical/psychiatric "treatment, there would be no point to the nuclear bomb, world destruction, and scientific aspects.

[notsolost42]

Has no one yet realized that the Valenzetti Equation, the numbers that predict when civilization will end, point to when the bomb went off? Couldn't that possibly be the actual end? One nuclear blast, and then another and another....etc. A global war brought on by little ol' Juliet? That does sound kinda funny though!

[Pung]

It's been pointed out a lot that characters seem to die after they've put their issues to rest.

But personally I think this is a bit coincidental...

Now before everyone runs to fast reply to verbally murder me, hear me out.

Of course, if you're going to kill off a much loved fictional character, it'd be nice if they went out without leaving too many demons behind. We know Michael atoned for his murder of Ana Lulu and Libby by saving the freighter folk, then he died. Boone got over Shannon; then died. Charlie, some say, learnt about family and responsibility before he went.

This all fine and dandy. But there are holes. If Locke really IS dead, he sure as hell didn't fulfill his personal dreams. Did Dr Atrz lay his demons to rest before he became hamburger? Sawyer got over HIS personal demons, so why ain't he dead?

Remember folks; people's demons and their destiny are two different things.

I thought you said Michael was still alive?

[losttime]

I thought you said Michael was still alive?

And it wasnt like Michael did this on his, he was told he had to do it really.

[SpaceBar]

I thought you said Michael was still alive?

Well the show made it APPEAR that he died. This is yet another reason why he may not be dead, because even if he did 'atone', it doesn't mean he's going to die.

And Michael still had a choice. He could easily choose to not do it.

[losttime]

Well the show made it APPEAR that he died. This is yet another reason why he may not be dead, because even if he did 'atone', it doesn't mean he's going to die.

And Michael still had a choice. He could easily choose to not do it.

On the surface it would appear that Michael had a choice. But really he didnt have one.

[SpaceBar]

*sigh*

How is that?

IMO, he chose to do it. Whether to finally be able to kill himself, or if he thought it was destiny, or if he wanted to 'atone'. He always had a choice.

But in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't even matter. The question that needs answering is who made it Michael's destiny? (whether it was or it wasn't). Who made it so he couldn't kill himself? Which force made this happen?

This is why I think Michael might come back, despite what may have been published in magazines or even told to us by TPTB. He still has things to add to the story, as far as I'm concerned.

And this sure as hell goes for Locke as well.

I'm not in denial, Losttime. I think Eko for example is certainly dead, we saw the light go out of his eyes and he has never appeared again. And yes, we may have seen Locke strangled to death, but he did return. Revived. And very well-versed in how the island works, and also IMO harbouring the spirit of a very important force on the island.

We may or may not have seen Charlie die with our own eyes. Not sure, if he was definitely drowned or not when we last saw him.
With Artz, of course, there is no chance in HELL he still lives as we saw bits of him everywhere. All the Losties that were buried were obviously dead. (or are now)

Obviously, everything to do with 'Who's dead' and 'Who's not' could be blown apart if it turns out there are two timelines going on.

[losttime]

*sigh*

How is that?

IMO, he chose to do it. Whether to finally be able to kill himself, or if he thought it was destiny, or if he wanted to 'atone'. He always had a choice.

But in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't even matter. The question that needs answering is who made it Michael's destiny? (whether it was or it wasn't). Who made it so he couldn't kill himself? Which force made this happen?

This is why I think Michael might come back, despite what may have been published in magazines or even told to us by TPTB. He still has things to add to the story, as far as I'm concerned.

And this sure as hell goes for Locke as well.

I'm not in denial, Losttime. I think Eko for example is certainly dead, we saw the light go out of his eyes and he has never appeared again. And yes, we may have seen Locke strangled to death, but he did return. Revived. And very well-versed in how the island works, and also IMO harbouring the spirit of a very important force on the island.

We may or may not have seen Charlie die with our own eyes. Not sure, if he was definitely drowned or not when we last saw him.
With Artz, of course, there is no chance in HELL he still lives as we saw bits of him everywhere. All the Losties that were buried were obviously dead. (or are now)

Obviously, everything to do with 'Who's dead' and 'Who's not' could be blown apart if it turns out there are two timelines going on.

Semantics once again. Michael was given an option. Sure he had a choice but when it came down to it there was really no choice, logically speaking. He really didnt have much choice on the contrary given his situation. Thats why I said that on the surface it appears he had a choice. But given everything that happened, his only choice was to go on the freighter and die. We know Eko is dead because he wanted to be killed off the show. yet there was talk of him coming back so easily he could be written back in the script if they wanted to. You saw the "light go out" in his eye huh? You saw that but not when JL got strangled and left dangling by Ben. He somehow plays dead the whole trip and gets back and poof he is "alive" again and knows everything the Island wants. Now that could be its because its JL(highly doubtful) or it could be its the BeachBoy who knows much about the Island as Jacob does and he is using that knowledge to fool Ben and every other person into thnking he is JL(Sorry that includes you and everyone else who thinks JL is "alive" again.) I was fooled my self up until rewatching the finale. But I accept the fact that JL is dead. Once again "Dead is Dead"

[rock-lobster]

Personally, if this is all a medical study and what we have been watching a dream like Total Recall I will be more than mad. Thats my personal feeling about it. I think its a great concept but for this show in particular I wouldnt like it at all.

agreed. it's a cool movie plot, but investing five years of lost into something that would turn out to be anything that isn't "real" (in the show itself) would be quite a bummer.

nice thoughts though.

[SpaceBar]

At the end of the day, I'm only gonna get proved right or wrong in January. I addressed the fact that we saw John die earlier. I think the ISLAND revived him. He got all the visions necessary to fulfill his destiny, which was to finish Flocke's goal of killing Jacob.

Why? I don't know. But I think this is what happened.

[losttime]

At the end of the day, I'm only gonna get proved right or wrong in January. I addressed the fact that we saw John die earlier. I think the ISLAND revived him. He got all the visions necessary to fulfill his destiny, which was to finish Flocke's goal of killing Jacob.

Why? I don't know. But I think this is what happened.

So now there is a JL and a Flocke? The so-called "revived" JL is Flocke. And you are convinced that he got visions? Cant it be possible that Beachboy(I know you love that name) is pretending to be JL and already knows these things since he is an entity similar to Jacob? And just lying to make everyone, mostly Ben and RA to think he is actually JL?

[bunnydixon]

think someone mentioned total recall and also made me think of vanilla sky a bit too.

what i am curious about - why would you stop watching, wouldnt you want to see it through to find out if you were correct or to collect more evidence towards your theory along the way?

[tpbaxter]

Your assessment of my theory is about right but it would be a combination of total recall (which was totally crap with a tremendously confusing ending) + minority report ( i liked ) + lawnmower man ( brilliant ). Maybe a touch of orwells 1994/animal farm type mind control and a pinch of lord of the flies may appear as the plot progresses. I think if these were blended together it should make for a good finale. PS thanks for been nice I was afraid I was going to be eaten alive for not been a true LOST 24/7 fan with an opinionm:p

total recall == total crap? are you mad, man?! and the ending to that is not confusing at all. It may or may not have been a dream. Nothing confusing about it...

First of all......WELCOME bagsmcg !!!!! ...glad you have joined us !!!!

I must agree with Losttime (again LOL).....if it did end like this I will be hugely dissappointed and upset.....while your theory is a probable ending, as is many of the other theories floating around here... I have never seen Total Recall so I cant relate to that...I do sometimes think there is some type of an experiment playing out...whether scientific, religious, or just an age old game....my brain gets be-fuddled and then I just decide to sit back and enjoy the ride !!:p Until the next episode then Im back trying to figure it all out LOL...

stop into the BARMA (a thread here on lost.com) and socialize with us !! and again...welcome !!!!:)


what? go watch total recall. it is not total crap and has an awesome ending.

think someone mentioned total recall and also made me think of vanilla sky a bit too.

what i am curious about - why would you stop watching, wouldnt you want to see it through to find out if you were correct or to collect more evidence towards your theory along the way?


never seen vanilla sky. is it as totally awesome as total recall? does it have an awesome ending like total recall.

-- note: never realized what a total recall fan i was until forced to defend it...

[bagsmcg]

Hi thanks for the feed back. I dont have alot of time to post replies so I hope you dont think i am ignoring my thread. I havebeen thinking more about my comment and the following has come to mind. I was very excited about the matrix series of films but at the end i was very disappointed by the conclusion.I mention it because I think that there are similarities in the plot with lost. I admit that my theroy is a possible disappointing end to the series but you have to ask what do you exspect. The history of art in all forms is repeat and duplication and it is rare that you see true ORIGINAL art in any form. In the case of LOST I fear that ls formulas will be utilised. I think that the stories appeal is that there is the implication that there will be a reasonable excuse for the plot in the finale. That is why I think I am near the mark. Alternative demensions and time travel do not sit with the plot so far. In relation to the lack of entuasiasim for the last series I started to get the feeling that it was becoming like a Gilligan's Island experience where you never had conclusion but now that I have published my therory I am back on track. Please accept my appologies for the poll I put it on inognorance but it is interesting to see that people agree with the theroy that I am nuts. Here Here. To all the disapointed I actually hope I am wrong but I can't see anothet solution that will satisfy all aspects of the story thus far. aoh and so you know no matter what the actual real outcome is I will declare that I eas right it is in my nature Ha Ha Thanks again for your input :o

[bagsmcg]

total recall == total crap? are you mad, man?! and the ending to that is not confusing at all. It may or may not have been a dream. Nothing confusing about it...




what? go watch total recall. it is not total crap and has an awesome ending.




never seen vanilla sky. is it as totally awesome as total recall? does it have an awesome ending like total recall.

-- note: never realized what a total recall fan i was until forced to defend it...

Yes vanilla sky tests you preconceoptions but I have to disagree about total recall as you say yourself you dont actually know what the story is at the end. Is it or what is the dream. If you are going to give me a movie at least give ne a conclusive end but we will agree to differ on that point I think