Why would Ben want Locke to believe the button isn't real?

[jd95]

We all know Ben lies, and that's just what he does. But why would he want Locke to believe the button wasn't real? If Ben wanted to shake Locke's faith why choose this way? Ben must know that not pushing the button could end the world, so why play games with something so important? Surely there could have been other ways for Ben to shake Locke's faith.

[SpaceBar]

This is why I like smart, new members.

I have no idea. Sorry.

[losttime]

We all know Ben lies, and that's just what he does. But why would he want Locke to believe the button wasn't real? If Ben wanted to shake Locke's faith why choose this way? Ben must know that not pushing the button could end the world, so why play games with something so important? Surely there could have been other ways for Ben to shake Locke's faith.

That is a good question and was addressed quite a while back and all I could think of was Ben was testing JL fortitude. He was seeing there if JL really was a Leader or a follower. Also remember. Ben always had a plan. So even if JL decided not to push it somehow Ben would have known away to get those numbers entered.

[werlost]

And even though Ben told locke that he didnt push the button and nothing happened we dont know if he pushed it or not since we didnt see him. he could have told Locke that he didnt push the button even though he did.

[losttime]

And even though Ben told locke that he didnt push the button and nothing happened we dont know if he pushed it or not since we didnt see him. he could have told Locke that he didnt push the button even though he did.

Well based on what we know about the hatch, Ben most certaily entered the numbers or would have resulted in the same way it did every time JL or Desmond didnt enter it on time.

[LissaMarie]

I also believe that Ben entered the numbers. It's the only logical conclusion really.

I think Ben was testing Locke's faith in the same way God tested the faith of so many in the Bible. Locke's faith in is purpose on the island was unwaivering up until that point and Ben certainly set off a chain of events by causing Locke to question that faith, didn't he? It makes me believe that Ben knew the course of events and his purpose was to set off the chain reaction.

[losttime]

I also believe that Ben entered the numbers. It's the only logical conclusion really.

I think Ben was testing Locke's faith in the same way God tested the faith of so many in the Bible. Locke's faith in is purpose on the island was unwaivering up until that point and Ben certainly set off a chain of events by causing Locke to question that faith, didn't he? It makes me believe that Ben knew the course of events and his purpose was to set off the chain reaction.

While I dont share entirely the same outlook to your latter part of your statement, I agree 100% that Ben was testing JL. He was also using it to prove to others in his camp that JL isnt "who we thought he was" Truthfully, using Sawyer to kill his father I think was a cop-out. JL had to make that "leap" and he couldnt. Its almost like someone taking a test for you because you know they can pass it but you cant. Only they go in using your name. This is similar to JL using Sawyer to do his dirty work. IF anything it more makes Sawyer an "Other" over JL. Thinking back, as much as I liked JL and really wanted to believe in his "destiny" to be this great Leader, he was kind of pathetic. As Ben said JL "is always running into dead ends" Alpert never saw anything special in him in all his visits. He was nothing special and died the same way. I dont think Jack came back because JL died I think JL came back because JL told Jack his father(Christian) said hello. If that didnt peak jack's interest in returning after having seen his father on several occasions I dont know what does. We also know it wasnt JL's suicide note because he didnt read it until they were on the flt back.

[Dead but Here]

Do you remember how the Others reacted when the sky turned purple? They looked up and then just sort of carried on. No one said anything. They didn't seem nervous, curious, surprised or all that bothered by it.

[jd95]

Do you remember how the Others reacted when the sky turned purple? They looked up and then just sort of carried on. No one said anything. They didn't seem nervous, curious, surprised or all that bothered by it.

Yep, and I had mentioned how this fact has always bothered me. Even if the others knew exactly what was going on, Jack should have been very curious, or any other Lostie for that matter. How something so big was just ignored has always been one of the things I think is weak about Lost. Just like no one asking Locke what it was like to be dead. It's only the biggest mystery humanity has ever tried dealing with for eons, yet not even a single question.

Lost is goofy in that way.

[SpaceBar]

Exactly. There should have been a scene where Ben questioned Locke and Locke could have said something mildly deep. That's all it needed.

Another thing that's always bothered me is that after the hatch blew and there was the purple sky thing, Charlie comes wandering out the jungle. (can't remember exact words)

Claire runs over.
What happened? There was a loud noise and the sky went purple.
Charlie: (stupid grin on face.) Purple?
Claire: Where's John and Eko, are they ok?
Charlie: Yeah, they're fine. (walks over to Aaron)

[losttime]

Exactly. There should have been a scene where Ben questioned Locke and Locke could have said something mildly deep. That's all it needed.

Another thing that's always bothered me is that after the hatch blew and there was the purple sky thing, Charlie comes wandering out the jungle. (can't remember exact words)

Claire runs over.
What happened? There was a loud noise and the sky went purple.
Charlie: (stupid grin on face.) Purple?
Claire: Where's John and Eko, are they ok?
Charlie: Yeah, they're fine. (walks over to Aaron)

The opnly thing I can say why Charlie was unaware of the sky turning purple was that he was in the hatch and was unable t o see it happen.

[SpaceBar]

True true, but still no-one seemed too bothered. Plus why did John lose his voice?

[Flight 815]

I guess Ben wanted the doomsday key to be turned and so provoked it into happening.

[Dogan 815]

I think Ben wanted John to blow the hatch so that he could cut communication to the outside world and blame it on the sky turning purple,So he could further isolate the island resulting in him having more power over everyone.But it backfires because Penny's tracking station uses the event to pinpoint the island and ultimately bring the freighter to the island.