Our New Diggs Here....

[notsolost42]

You may have noticed some changes in our little forum. They are nice improvements and I think we will all have a bit more fun. Check out your profile page and look for the goodies.

While you are there, please scroll all the way down the page and look to the left on bottom. You will notice a link called "Forum Rules." So, we now have established, written guidelines from the admin. It is a welcomed relief. This is what it says:

"LOST.COM Forums Rules
Although the administrators and moderators of LOST.COM Forums will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of LOST.COM Forums, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

The owners of LOST.COM Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."

There is also a little area now for the admin and mods to hand out infractions when and if necessary. There is a point system that I will have to find out more about. The infractions are warnings that last for ten days along with one point. I will check into exactly what this is and how it works with the admin. I think the rules are pretty explicit now and quite clear so we all know what to expect. If anyone has any questions please pm me and I will try to get the answer for you.

We are here to have fun and discuss LOST, so let's enjoy it!

[spartygirl]

You may have noticed some changes in our little forum. They are nice improvements and I think we will all have a bit more fun. Check out your profile page and look for the goodies.

While you are there, please scroll all the way down the page and look to the left on bottom. You will notice a link called "Forum Rules." So, we now have established, written guidelines from the admin. It is a welcomed relief. This is what it says:

"LOST.COM Forums Rules
Although the administrators and moderators of LOST.COM Forums will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of LOST.COM Forums, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

The owners of LOST.COM Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."

There is also a little area now for the admin and mods to hand out infractions when and if necessary. There is a point system that I will have to find out more about. The infractions are warnings that last for ten days along with one point. I will check into exactly what this is and how it works with the admin. I think the rules are pretty explicit now and quite clear so we all know what to expect. If anyone has any questions please pm me and I will try to get the answer for you.

We are here to have fun and discuss LOST, so let's enjoy it!

well.. Istill dont see the new rules section... so does that mean it doesnt imply for me ??? LOL...just joking around with ya...but I really dont see it..the rules..I mean

[notsolost42]

I think it's actually on every page. Look all the way on the bottom to the left. There is a box that says Posting Rules. It is the stuff that we always had but under that is Forum Rules. Click on it.

[3d-aholic]

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws!

Thats pretty wide. Not Sexually-oriented means the entire Boobie station thread is coming down then?

[notsolost42]

Thats pretty wide. Not Sexually-oriented means the entire Boobie station thread is coming down then?

I would leave that up to the admin and he hasn't said anything so far.

[bunnydixon]

sexually orientated? vulgar? i'll have racked up the points within a few days :p

[Jelena]

yeah, sexually oriented - if that is an explicit guideline... what the heck does that mean???

[losttime]

I think that goes along the lines of nude pictures and talk of a sexual nature, Not that I think you would be breaking the rules if you were to refer ot one of the cast members as "Hott" "Sexy" or whatever just not what you would love to do with them perhaps.

[bunnydixon]

so if i say 'i'd love to give it to sawyer' am i breaking the rules? :p

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I think that goes along the lines of nude pictures and talk of a sexual nature, Not that I think you would be breaking the rules if you were to refer ot one of the cast members as "Hott" "Sexy" or whatever just not what you would love to do with them perhaps.

LOL...I shoulden't laugh maybe LT, but that just gave me a giggle the way you said it. I agree with you - just made me giggle a little bit. :D

[tpbaxter]

"LOST.COM Forums Rules
Although the administrators and moderators of LOST.COM Forums will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of LOST.COM Forums, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

The owners of LOST.COM Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."


i think those rules were created by vBulletin and just appeared as part of the update process. If they said every fourth person must cluck like a chicken before clicking submit it would have just stayed there.

but these rules seem vague and it says that any post can be deleted at any time for any reason or no reason at all. therefore i conclude that we should just post whatever we want and if it's a problem someone will delete it.

the only loop hole is that the guidelines say they cannot realistically review every single message. therefore i conclude the best thing to do is to start swearing and posting pornography in every single post. that way some stuff will make it through the cracks.

whose with me on this?

[notsolost42]

i think those rules were created by vBulletin and just appeared as part of the update process. If they said every fourth person must cluck like a chicken before clicking submit it would have just stayed there.

but these rules seem vague and it says that any post can be deleted at any time for any reason or no reason at all. therefore i conclude that we should just post whatever we want and if it's a problem someone will delete it.

the only loop hole is that the guidelines say they cannot realistically review every single message. therefore i conclude the best thing to do is to start swearing and posting pornography in every single post. that way some stuff will make it through the cracks.

whose with me on this?

IDK Baxie, there is an infraction system in place also. I don't know how many infractions/warnings/points it takes to get perminantly shut down. You wanna be the first to test it and find out? All I can say is go for it then. This forum is about LOST and not the place for people to look at semi-nude photos or to post such colorful jokes. There are places on the internet that are appropriate for that. I don't have a problem with that but do it where it belongs. It doesn't belong here and that is obvious by the rules now. This is not a democracy, this forum belongs to the admin and it is his call to make and no one elses.

[bunnydixon]

IDK Baxie, there is an infraction system in place also. I don't know how many infractions/warnings/points it takes to get perminantly shut down. You wanna be the first to test it and find out? All I can say is go for it then. This forum is about LOST and not the place for people to look at semi-nude photos or to post such colorful jokes. There are places on the internet that are appropriate for that. I don't have a problem with that but do it where it belongs. It doesn't belong here and that is obvious by the rules now. This is not a democracy, this forum belongs to the admin and it is his call to make and no one elses.

yes lets just reiterate - the forum belongs to admin.

so we wont be catching you in any idle lost free chit chat from now on notso?

shame - thats what made this forum such a great place in the first place, people could talk lost on ANY level, be that scientific, spiritually or even the soap opera aspects and we could bring our own life experiences into it and get to know one another. being human, conversation naturally digresses and we have all come to realise that if we are going to do anything not lost related (say the hotseat for example) is done on GENERAL DISCUSSION.

Admin has never had an issue before and I don't even see him having an issue at the moment - I do however see one mod interpreting the rules her way (they are not exactly clear, lets face it what is vulgar to one person may not be to the next) and making decisions based on that and her own personal opinions/feelings.

[bunnydixon]

I'm also concerned in that I have seen you get into heated arguements with many people and wonder if your feelings towards or history with that person will influence your decisions in terms of deleting posts and dishing out points?

[notsolost42]

yes lets just reiterate - the forum belongs to admin.

so we wont be catching you in any idle lost free chit chat from now on notso?

shame - thats what made this forum such a great place in the first place, people could talk lost on ANY level, be that scientific, spiritually or even the soap opera aspects and we could bring our own life experiences into it and get to know one another. being human, conversation naturally digresses and we have all come to realise that if we are going to do anything not lost related (say the hotseat for example) is done on GENERAL DISCUSSION.

Admin has never had an issue before and I don't even see him having an issue at the moment - I do however see one mod interpreting the rules her way (they are not exactly clear, lets face it what is vulgar to one person may not be to the next) and making decisions based on that and her own personal opinions/feelings.

You know, you are really funny. No one is denying your ability to discuss LOST on any level, be it scientific, spiritually or even with soap opera aspects or preventing you from bringing your life experiences into it. What the rules say is clear....you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

I don't understand what is not clear about any of that. And as to your comments about idle lost free chit chat, as long as this chit chat does not violate the rules then there is reason not to do it. Look, we all have new boundaries and I know that it is not going to be easy for some people here to have these boundaries. But, there is nothing wrong with what the rules say. I don't want a smutty forum and I am sure there are many other people that agree. I say that as a poster and not a mod. As I said, this forum belongs to the admin and we are visiting here so I will respect his rules and abide by them. It's really not all that difficult to do.

[notsolost42]

I'm also concerned in that I have seen you get into heated arguements with many people and wonder if your feelings towards or history with that person will influence your decisions in terms of deleting posts and dishing out points?

Well, apparently the admin is quite familiar with all of my posts as well and I guess he believes that I am capable of making an unbiased decision, otherwise he would not have made me a mod.

[tpbaxter]

You know, you are really funny. No one is denying your ability to discuss LOST on any level, be it scientific, spiritually or even with soap opera aspects or preventing you from bringing your life experiences into it. What the rules say is clear....you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

I don't understand what is not clear about any of that.

Everything. For that to be some sort of legally binding statement they would have to go on to clearly define each of those terms:


obscene
vulgar
sexually-oriented
hateful
threatening

Each of us has a different interpretations of these word so for us to follow the site owner's rules we must understand his definition of these terms. Furthermore, we have to agree to these terms BEFORE we sign up. Otherwise there's just confusion and frustration like there is now.

EDIT: And actually, if there has been some change in the Terms of Service then for that to apply we each should be getting some kind of message that we need to agree before we proceed. I always get letters in the mail anytime my bank makes some obscure change in the agreement. Let's face it, this site is not run by a huge conglomerate corporation with tons of lawyers at their disposal. It's a mom and pop type site so there has to be some kind of slack given to all of us. The community here understands what is socially acceptable and the mods just need to make sure it's a safe place and everyone is comfortable. We don't need some forum nazi making us adhere to every letter of the law, especially since that law is very vague.

[losttime]

Well, apparently the admin is quite familiar with all of my posts as well and I guess he believes that I am capable of making an unbiased decision, otherwise he would not have made me a mod.

Or maybe he is being patient with you hoping you will catch on that being a Mod doesnt make you any better than any other person on here that posts. Lissa Marie certainy knows this and demonstrates this. Not that some have thought she deleted things they thought didnt need to be but she doesnt think all high and mighty of herself. As far as I been a member of this forum she has always been "one of us". Since you became a mod, you think you are the king of the castle. Your posts on another forum demonstrates this as well. unless of course someone else uses Notsolost42 on that forum. But as you say, I am just a disgruntled poster.

[notsolost42]

Everything. For that to be some sort of legally binding statement they would have to go on to clearly define each of those terms:


obscene
vulgar
sexually-oriented
hateful
threatening
Each of us has a different interpretations of these word so for us to follow the site owner's rules we must understand his definition of these terms. Furthermore, we have to agree to these terms BEFORE we sign up. Otherwise there's just confusion and frustration like there is now.

If you are confused then I strongly suggest you take it up with the admin, but in the meantime I will follow the rules as I understand them. Maybe this will help you out per Mirriam Webster Dictionary:

Main Entry: ob·scene
Pronunciation: \äb-ˈsēn, əb-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin obscenus, obscaenus
Date: 1593
1 : disgusting to the senses : repulsive
2 a : abhorrent to morality or virtue; specifically : designed to incite to lust or depravity b : containing or being language regarded as taboo in polite usage <OBSCENE lyrics>c : repulsive by reason of crass disregard of moral or ethical principles <AN power of misuse obscene>d : so excessive as to be offensive <OBSCENE wealth><OBSCENE waste>

Main Entry: vul·gar
Pronunciation: \ˈvəl-gər\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin vulgaris of the mob, vulgar, from volgus, vulgus mob, common people
Date: 14th century
a : lacking in cultivation, perception, or taste : coarse b : morally crude, undeveloped, or unregenerate : gross c : ostentatious or excessive in expenditure or display : pretentious
5 a : offensive in language : earthy b : lewdly or profanely indecent

Main Entry: ori·ent·ed (just add sexually in front of it)
Pronunciation: \ˈȯr-ē-ˌen-təd\
Function: adjective
Date: 1937
: intellectually, emotionally, or functionally directed

Main Entry: hate·ful
Pronunciation: \ˈhāt-fəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 14th century
1 : full of hate : malicious
2 : deserving of or arousing hate

Main Entry: threat·en
Pronunciation: \ˈthre-tən\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): threat·ened; threat·en·ing \ˈthret-niŋ, ˈthre-tən-iŋ\
Date: 13th century
transitive verb
1 : to utter threats against
2 a : to give signs or warning of : portend <THE rain threatened clouds>b : to hang over dangerously : menace <FAMINE city the threatens>
3 : to announce as intended or possible <THE threatened strike a workers>
4 : to cause to feel insecure or anxious <FELT threatened success brother?s his by>
intransitive verb
1 : to utter threats
2 : to portend evil

Good luck on your quest with the admin.

[tpbaxter]

If you are confused then I strongly suggest you take it up with the admin, but in the meantime I will follow the rules as I understand them. Maybe this will help you out per Mirriam Webster Dictionary:

Main Entry: ob·scene
Pronunciation: \äb-ˈsēn, əb-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin obscenus, obscaenus
Date: 1593
1 : disgusting to the senses : repulsive
2 a : abhorrent to morality or virtue; specifically : designed to incite to lust or depravity b : containing or being language regarded as taboo in polite usage <OBSCENE lyrics>c : repulsive by reason of crass disregard of moral or ethical principles <AN power of misuse obscene>d : so excessive as to be offensive <OBSCENE wealth><OBSCENE waste>

...

Good luck on your quest with the admin.

first of all I have no quest with anyone. I said I would send a note to the admin about you because I thought you were starting to overstep your bounds as moderator but I don't really think talking to the admin would do anything anyway. Actually I don't really like that guy so far. however i think there are a few people here who would agree with me on this issue.

second, i don't want this to become personal. to be honest I like you personally and I love your um.... gusto? i don't know what the word is.

but I don't think I need to go through all of your definitions. i'll just pick the first which says obscene means "disgusting to the senses". what is disgusting to me is not necessarily what is disgusting to you. some people love fish and some people find it repulsive. all of these terms have the same issue. like I said, a legally binding statement would have to go on to define the site owner's definition of these terms. the problem is you are now trying to vigorously enforce a law that is vague and unfair. either update the rules (probably not going to happen soon) or exercise some common sense.

[notsolost42]

first of all I have no quest with anyone. I said I would send a note to the admin about you because I thought you were starting to overstep your bounds as moderator but I don't really think talking to the admin would do anything anyway. Actually I don't really like that guy so far. however i think there are a few people here who would agree with me on this issue.

second, i don't want this to become personal. to be honest I like you personally and I love your um.... gusto? i don't know what the word is.

but I don't think I need to go through all of your definitions. i'll just pick the first which says obscene means "disgusting to the senses". what is disgusting to me is not necessarily what is disgusting to you. some people love fish and some people find it repulsive. all of these terms have the same issue. like I said, a legally binding statement would have to go on to define the site owner's definition of these terms. the problem is you are now trying to vigorously enforce a law that is vague and unfair. either update the rules (probably not going to happen soon) or exercise some common sense.

I am not trying to make a federal case out of this either Baxie and I like you personally as well. I think the word you are looking for, as one NY'er to another, is "chutzpah." lol.

As far as the definitions are concerned and your example, if you do read it please refer to this:

2 a : abhorrent to morality or virtue; specifically : designed to incite to lust or depravity b : containing or being language regarded as taboo in polite usage

The operative words are taboo in polite usage. I know you are an intelligent guy Baxie and you also love to stir the pot sometimes. I think that you do have some serious concerns though and I am not trying to be dismissive to your points. I know you understand what these words mean and the context in which they apply to the rules. Let's just give it a try. I don't want to sanitize the forum. The forum has great character and personality and no one is trying to change that. I think that we can still have the same forum by using some common sense about what is being posted, that's all. Geeez, sometimes trying to make a point here is like trying to elbow your way into a subway car at 5:00 pm! Love ya guy!

[bunnydixon]

'This forum is about LOST and not the place for people to look at semi-nude photos or to post such colorful jokes. There are places on the internet that are appropriate for that. I don't have a problem with that but do it where it belongs. It doesn't belong here and that is obvious by the rules now.'

that was your statement - which suggests that only lost should be discussesd.

what was funny about my post? i find that statement quite patronising.

YOU not wanting or wanting a specific type of forum is irrelevant notso. using your ability as a mod to ensure that happens is an abuse of your privileges.

[tpbaxter]

what was funny about my post? i find that statement quite patronising.

bunnydixon, i find your use of the letter S in the word patroniZing offensive, vulgar, and obscene. mods: please delete her post and give her a star of shame or something. thank you.

[bunnydixon]

bunnydixon, i find your use of the letter S in the word patroniZing offensive, vulgar, and obscene. mods: please delete her post and give her a star of shame or something. thank you.

give me 2 as i'm about to tell baxter to go *bleep* himself.....

[losttime]

give me 2 as i'm about to tell baxter to go *bleep* himself.....

Speaking of which i hate when movies made for TV get bleeped and they dub the word with a dumb word instead. I hope saying dumb doesnt offend anyone. I am sure a particular Mod will find fault with it sinec it came from me.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

So tpbaxter, myself, a goat, and a fence walk into a bar......
Oh wait; I better stop now.

[bunnydixon]

and when songs on the radio do it too...to the point they dont even make sense lol!

[notsolost42]

I don't know if they did it in Scotland, but when the Beatles first came out with the song Satisfaction, the censors here in the 60's changed a word in it when it was broadcast on television and radio. The part sung about "....just trying to get some girl pregnant" had been changed and the word pregnant was removed. That was during the height of the 60's cultural revolution and huge social divisions in the US.

[tpbaxter]

Speaking of which i hate when movies made for TV get bleeped and they dub the word with a dumb word instead. I hope saying dumb doesnt offend anyone. I am sure a particular Mod will find fault with it sinec it came from me.

and when songs on the radio do it too...to the point they dont even make sense lol!

i think you guys are on to something. whenever someone says something bad the mods can come in and alter it the same way they dub curse words on tv. instead of saying tpbaxter can f*** himself, fix it to say "tpbaxter can fudge himself". then no one would know. replace sh*t with sugar, etc.

same for objectionable photos. remove the bad picture and put a suggestive picture that is deemed appropriate instead. so instead of trish stratus you'll get eleanor roosevelt in a 1930s one piece bathing suit. no one will ever know the difference!

[bunnydixon]

instead of saying tpbaxter can f*** himself.

i never said that. you assumed i did.

[tpbaxter]

i never said that. you assumed i did.

you just said a$$. I'm reporting you.

[losttime]

you just said a$$. I'm reporting you.

I am reporting you Bax you said "just". think thats one of the forbiddens

[Jelena]

Uh-oh! I think lostcom better check a couple of these threads out and say something meaningful that will put a stop to all this bickering (not that I don't enjoy reading your witty comments guys), or I see a mutiny coming.

[bunnydixon]

you just said a$$. I'm reporting you.

3 strikes and im out :p

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Uh-oh! I think lostcom better check a couple of these threads out and say something meaningful that will put a stop to all this bickering (not that I don't enjoy reading your witty comments guys), or I see a mutiny coming.

It all seems so simple too, doesn't it Jelena?
I fully understand the whole offensive thing, and deleting what posts or words need to be deleted.
I agree too that my "Goat Joke" probably should have been deleted too. I knew when I posted it, that it was going to probably happen; but I figured that I had limited it to only be offensive to one person, who I knew wouldn't be offended.
I was actually more worried about creeping bax out and having him think I was making advances than I was of offending him.

What I don't understand is all the controversy over the Boobie/Butt threads.
It seems pretty straight forward. If you don't want to see them, don't click on the link. I don 't think that anybody has ever actually posted nudity, only provocative pictures which are no worse than a Herbal Essences shampoo commercial.

It's not like there's a thread called "The Fuzzy Kitten Station" and people are throwin' boobs and butts all over the place. That would be out of line.
Pung is on a good track over in the Boobie Station. I'm sure it's not his plan, but I have now deemed it his master plan. That ingenious basta......product of un-wed parents.

[Jelena]

It all seems so simple too, doesn't it Jelena?
I fully understand the whole offensive thing, and deleting what posts or words need to be deleted.
I agree too that my "Goat Joke" probably should have been deleted too. I knew when I posted it, that it was going to probably happen; but I figured that I had limited it to only be offensive to one person, who I knew wouldn't be offended.
I was actually more worried about creeping bax out and having him think I was making advances than I was of offending him.

What I don't understand is all the controversy over the Boobie/Butt threads.
It seems pretty straight forward. If you don't want to see them, don't click on the link. I don 't think that anybody has ever actually posted nudity, only provocative pictures which are no worse than a Herbal Essences shampoo commercial.

It's not like there's a thread called "The Fuzzy Kitten Station" and people are throwin' boobs and butts all over the place. That would be out of line.
Pung is on a good track over in the Boobie Station. I'm sure it's not his plan, but I have now deemed it his master plan. That ingenious basta......product of un-wed parents.

Actually, that was not Pung's idea, but someone else pleaded he do it (just scroll up in the boobie thread).

Nope, nothing is simple U.P. and that is why I think only admin could set things straight, seeing as how he created the site, and I don't think anyone would have a problem following his interpretation of the rules (well baxie probably would, but I'm talking people, not goats here :p). The problem is that there's a fair amount of people here, me included, who feel that there is one person abusing her power, and deleting the posts that she personally finds offensive, but that are actually NOT breaching the so-called forum rules. She's also taking things out of context and acting, as losttime put it, like the king of the castle - making the forum into what she thinks it should be. Believe it or not, lostcom is human too, and I've seen him lurk into the "grabber's corner", and hey, he even liked being grabbed himself. And IMO, if he had a problem with those threads, he'd have them deleted them already, seeing as how he's sent threads he doesn't approve of to oblivion before.

Your joke was hilarious, btw, but I understand why it was deleted, as I'm sure you do too.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

haha :)
Yeah, I was very surprised when I saw lostcom in there getting his buttocks grabbed.
Very liberal of our fearless leader.

[bunnydixon]

i think we carry on as before - using our common sense and if anything genuinely upsets someone then it gets removed.

[Jelena]

Well did ya see just how much he enjoyed it in the thank you lostcom thread? (okay, now I'm surely gonna get banned, playing with fire here, but I can't help it, I've been infected, LoL)

[Jelena]

i think we carry on as before - using our common sense and if anything genuinely upsets someone then it gets removed.

Oh shut up you! You create all this stir, and they go and say something booooring like that... yawn! :p

[tpbaxter]

is this photo acceptable?

http://thisisphotobomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tip-vintage-haminal.jpg

just trying to get an understanding of the new rules.

[bunnydixon]

Oh shut up you! You create all this stir, and they go and say something booooring like that... yawn! :p

i didnt create any stir...did i?

but come on....we were fine before.....i'm not changing. i abided by the rules for the past 18 months.

[Jelena]

is this photo acceptable?

http://thisisphotobomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tip-vintage-haminal.jpg

just trying to get an understanding of the new rules.

hahahahahahahaha

[Jelena]

i didnt create any stir...did i?

but come on....we were fine before.....i'm not changing. i abided by the rules for the past 18 months.

I think you cause a stir just by showing up. :p

No, no, I'm not saying you, or anyone else should change - especially NOT the rules. :D

[bunnydixon]

is this photo acceptable?

http://thisisphotobomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tip-vintage-haminal.jpg

just trying to get an understanding of the new rules.

lol lol lol!!!!!

[lostcom]

It's appropriate for ages 12 and under, but not for middle school and above.

is this photo acceptable?



just trying to get an understanding of the new rules.

[wiley]

I thought I would check out some options. I don't know if it's new or not but the ignore list is useless, it won't let me add a user to it.

[notsolost42]

I thought I would check out some options. I don't know if it's new or not but the ignore list is useless, it won't let me add a user to it.

Wiley, I just tried it and put you on iggy to test it. It worked fine for me. Just try it again I guess. Did you save it? I'm sorry if that is a stupid question.

[lostcom]

This is what it says:

"LOST.COM Forums Rules
Although the administrators and moderators of LOST.COM Forums will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of LOST.COM Forums, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

The owners of LOST.COM Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."


actually - it works, but I didn't write it. It's the standard boilerplate that comes with vBulletin

[notsolost42]

actually - it works, but I didn't write it. It's the standard boilerplate that comes with vBulletin

Okay, then Baxie was right. But you are saying that it is your adapted rules by saying "it works" so there is no question then. Thanks for the clarification.

[Jelena]

It's appropriate for ages 12 and under, but not for middle school and above.

hahahahahahaha
well no wonder the forum is filled with such colourful personalities, with an admin like this, LoL!

[LissaMarie]

Hmmmmm. I haven't read this thread since the first posting but I have to admit that I'm a little disturbed by more than a few things posted here.

First of all, I do not think we need to try to re-invent the wheel! This forum has operated fine since its inception so if it isn't broke, don't fix it! I honestly think clarification of the rules (since the subject came up) was all that was necessary and we have that now. Nothing needs to change. Posts don't need to be watered down and I pray that doesn't happen. In my opinion, that would be a crying shame!

The standard I have decided to use (again, in lieu of any advice from the Admin) is what is seen and heard on televison. This is, after all, a forum devoted to a television show, right? That goes for language and photos. Using that as a model to measure propriety, I don't think any of the photos needed to be deleted. Just my opinion. I think it's a pretty good basis for "judging" what is acceptable and what is not, as I felt like there needed to be parameters rather than what I personally would find acceptable. Ironically enough, I owe that idea originally to one of the forum members who has offended me personally more than any other! Thank you for the idea, TP!:)

That being said, I am honestly horrified at the notion of a mod or anyone else editing my words on a post!! I see that as being so passive / aggressive and more offensive to my sensibilities than just deleting my post. I have been aware of my ability to do that as a mod and only exercised it as a joke in a thread about WHH & changing the past. I think that is the most offensive moderating tool we have at our disposal and I will always stand up and explain to a member of the forum why I felt like it was necessary to delete their post rather than just editing their words for any reason. That is the way I would want to be treated.

Finally, I have a question. Where in the rules does it state that all of the posts on the forum have to pertain to Lost? I have always wonered if that was just a myth or an actual rule?

[bunnydixon]

perhaps if a mod ever felt the need to edit a post (yeah i remember my quivering bottom lisa lol!) they should ask the member to change it before they amend it themselves (although i agree, it's not up to a mod to change the wording of a post - if there is something in there breaking the rules, take out the whole post and explain why so nobody makes the same mistake).

[notsolost42]

The only posts that have ever been edited only had curse words removed so the post did not have to be deleted. No one's thoughts or expressions or intent have ever been edited nor would they ever be.

I just wanted to repost the admin's thoughts on this thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by notsolost42
This is what it says:

"LOST.COM Forums Rules
Although the administrators and moderators of LOST.COM Forums will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of LOST.COM Forums, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

The owners of LOST.COM Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."

actually - it works, but I didn't write it. It's the standard boilerplate that comes with vBulletin

[bunnydixon]

i read that already. i cant say i've ever read a curse word on here asides from king nates posts that is.......

some forums have the ability to auto change curse words. on my mummy forum, if we said the bad word for butt lol its auto changes it to monkey bottom (the admin are crazy lol!) hehe!!!

[notsolost42]

i read that already. i cant say i've ever read a curse word on here asides from king nates posts that is.......

some forums have the ability to auto change curse words. on my mummy forum, if we said the bad word for butt lol its auto changes it to monkey bottom (the admin are crazy lol!) hehe!!!

Yeah, on the older version the admin told me that the program was supposed to do the same thing but he also said that it doesn't pick up everything. He had mentioned that even using the first letter of the curse word followed by a bunch of *#+$ or anything like that was also not permitted. So, the only things I have edited, and believe me I can't keep up with it all, have been that kind of stuff when the program seems to miss it. I hope we carry on as usual and not let these simple rules for a group setting get in the way. There is no reason that one adult can't express what they mean to another adult without curse words. We all get the meaning even if someone were to say "That frigging/flipping....or whatever substitute they choose. I think we are smart enough to figure it out! lol!

[LissaMarie]

Just to clarify, I really do appreciate your intenion in leaving a post and only editing the curse word, Notso. I am just not comfortable doing that. I think it would feel invasive & sneaky and I just wouldn't like it if someone edited my words. I would rather be told it was deleted or asked to edit it. Besides, as Bunny said, if a member curses in their posts I think they need to be told that it's not acceptable so they know not to do it again. My "yard stick" at this point is if it passes the censors on tv, it's ok here on the forum...both visually & audibly. I really like your idea, Bunny, of asking the poster to edit the post or have it deleted. That I am comfortable with! What say you, Notso?

This is just my opinion but I just want to state for the record that I believe both Notso and I have the best of intentions and we're doing our best to figure this moderation gig out! It's a lot more difficult than it should be because the job description and duties have always been very vague...MADDENIGLY so for me! I'll speak for myself. I'm learning as I go by trial and error. The point is that we're both doing the best we can and we are going to make mistakes as we learn. We are going to miff a few people in the process as well. Just know that our hearts are in the right place.

[LissaMarie]

Almost forgot!!

Is there a forum rule that states all posts / threads have to pertain to Lost or is that a myth?
Lostcom? Notso? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

[notsolost42]

Just to clarify, I really do appreciate your intenion in leaving a post and only editing the curse word, Notso. I am just not comfortable doing that. I think it would feel invasive & sneaky and I just wouldn't like it if someone edited my words. I would rather be told it was deleted or asked to edit it. Besides, as Bunny said, if a member curses in their posts I think they need to be told that it's not acceptable so they know not to do it again. My "yard stick" at this point is if it passes the censors on tv, it's ok here on the forum...both visually & audibly. I really like your idea, Bunny, of asking the poster to edit the post or have it deleted. That I am comfortable with! What say you, Notso?

This is just my opinion but I just want to state for the record that I believe both Notso and I have the best of intentions and we're doing our best to figure this moderation gig out! It's a lot more difficult than it should be because the job description and duties have always been very vague...MADDENIGLY so for me! I'll speak for myself. I'm learning as I go by trial and error. The point is that we're both doing the best we can and we are going to make mistakes as we learn. We are going to miff a few people in the process as well. Just know that our hearts are in the right place.

How about meeting in the middle? Delete the curse word, because as mods that is what we should be doing, and send a friendly pm to the poster reminding them that cursing is not allowed on the forum? That way, the word is removed and the poster understands the guidelines. I usually just replace the letters of the word removed with asterists and leave no letters. If we have to send a pm to the poster and then follow up to see if they removed the word in question, then I am afraid we will just be spending so much time on the particular post. And what happens if they don't remove it? That will just make take more time and effort to resolve it. So, I don't want to spend the precious little time I have chasing people around to take out a word that shouldn't have been there to begin with. There are just too many posts. I want to keep writing my theories!!!!! How does that sound to you?

[notsolost42]

Almost forgot!!

Is there a forum rule that states all posts / threads have to pertain to Lost or is that a myth?
Lostcom? Notso? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

I've never seen anything official and have not been told anything officially. But I do keep in mind that this is a LOST forum. I know we are a little family here and like to go to the General Discussions board and talk about all kinds of things. No problem with that as far as I know. At least as long as the discussions don't fall into the other areas that are not permitted according to the rules.

[LissaMarie]

Bless you for answering that! It has driven me crazy since I got here.

I'm not trying to be difficult but I'm just not comfortable editing people's posts. As much as I am thrilled about the notion of reaching a compromise & creating a united front, I just can't compromise my convictions. I would be more comfortable deleting a post, sending a PM to the poster with a "cut and paste" of the post in it so they can re-post it without the curse word in it. That fits within my comfort zone and accomplishes the same goal and is just as much "work", I think? I'm assuming you would PM a member if you had to edit their post, right? Whaddya say?

[notsolost42]

Bless you for answering that! It has driven me crazy since I got here.

I'm not trying to be difficult but I'm just not comfortable editing people's posts. As much as I am thrilled about the notion of reaching a compromise & creating a united front, I just can't compromise my convictions. I would be more comfortable deleting a post, sending a PM to the poster with a "cut and paste" of the post in it so they can re-post it without the curse word in it. That fits within my comfort zone and accomplishes the same goal and is just as much "work", I think? I'm assuming you would PM a member if you had to edit their post, right? Whaddya say?

I've never really pm'd a poster before for just removing a curse word but now that we have these guidelines it would be a good thing to send a friendly reminder to them. I think if you do it your way and I do it mine we are still accomplishing the same end and that's the point. If what you do works for you then keep doing it and I will continue to do what I do then. As long as the results are the same I'd say "whatever works" then! I would not want you to do something outside of your comfort level unless it was your choice to do so. OMG! I just realized that we better start argueing again because people are gonna get confused!!!! lol!!!! :rolleyes::p:D See? I told you, trouble maker! lol!!!!

[Jelena]

Yes, you two being so friendly and polite with one another is creeping me out! Yikes! :p

[notsolost42]

Yes, you two being so friendly and polite with one another is creeping me out! Yikes! :p

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! :eek:

[boutte]

Bless you for answering that! It has driven me crazy since I got here.

I'm not trying to be difficult but I'm just not comfortable editing people's posts. As much as I am thrilled about the notion of reaching a compromise & creating a united front, I just can't compromise my convictions. I would be more comfortable deleting a post, sending a PM to the poster with a "cut and paste" of the post in it so they can re-post it without the curse word in it. That fits within my comfort zone and accomplishes the same goal and is just as much "work", I think? I'm assuming you would PM a member if you had to edit their post, right? Whaddya say?

There's a forum I go to that has filter that turns certain words into a series of asterics. I've seen this on several forums actually. Of course it's better if people just refrain from using profanities out of common courtesy but some people either don't have that or their vocabulary is too limited.

[ortrules]

I find this entire thread to be offensive.

[JfromtheD]

I think you guys are making this too complicated, Lissa and Notso.

If you really feel the need to edit someone, just put "moderator edit:" in the post.

If someone has a gripe, let 'em come to you. Spending all day PM'ing your official reasoning, wastes your time... time, that could be better spent posting silly theories with the rest of us. :D

As far as 'the new diggs...' I'd like some other screen options. I'm using 'yurimen' which is gray with red accents. But some of the graphics look kind of cheap. It'd be nice to have this color with the Predator graphics.

But beggars can't be choosers, and I've rambled on long enough... :o

[Dead but Here]

I've never really pm'd a poster before for just removing a curse word but now that we have these guidelines it would be a good thing to send a friendly reminder to them. I think if you do it your way and I do it mine we are still accomplishing the same end and that's the point. If what you do works for you then keep doing it and I will continue to do what I do then. As long as the results are the same I'd say "whatever works" then! I would not want you to do something outside of your comfort level unless it was your choice to do so. OMG! I just realized that we better start argueing again because people are gonna get confused!!!! lol!!!! :rolleyes::p:D See? I told you, trouble maker! lol!!!!

My nose is bleeding now.

[losttime]

Yes, you two being so friendly and polite with one another is creeping me out! Yikes! :p

Its called tolerating. I tried it but was impossible.

[losttime]

There's a forum I go to that has filter that turns certain words into a series of asterics. I've seen this on several forums actually. Of course it's better if people just refrain from using profanities out of common courtesy but some people either don't have that or their vocabulary is too limited.

Boutte, that was done to me here on this forum by a mod because the word was a euphemism when i was making an example of the thread "6 packs and packages" and the asterics were put in its place. I asked why and was told because the word was offensive. But "packages" was ok? I dont get it. We all know what "packages" means but wasnt an issue with this person. This is the problem with one of the Mods, just pick and choose what to delete. Just a way to abuse power.

[Lost in VA]

I don't know if they did it in Scotland, but when the Beatles first came out with the song Satisfaction, the censors here in the 60's changed a word in it when it was broadcast on television and radio. The part sung about "....just trying to get some girl pregnant" had been changed and the word pregnant was removed. That was during the height of the 60's cultural revolution and huge social divisions in the US.

Actually, that was the Rolling Stones that did Satisfaction.

[losttime]

Actually, that was the Rolling Stones that did Satisfaction.

Oh man you are in trouble now. LOL

[ortrules]

Everyone just chill out and watch this for some constructive education:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bWHAFXKlfQ

[losttime]

Everyone just chill out and watch this for some constructive education:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bWHAFXKlfQ

M'kay. LOL

[SpaceBar]

Whooooooaaaaa, dduuuuuuuudeesss. wHy sO sEriOus?!

There's some truly bad karma going on in here. Let's all just hold hands and sing Kum Bah Yah, eh?

But seriously, what? Let's not argue over this. Nothing's going to change, really. If the Boobie and Butt station was axed, the consequences would be dire. SpaceBar would never grace this place again, probably. But if they do get shut down, give ol' SpaceBar a few days warning so he can save all Pungs findings to his computer?

Oh and Unbridled Pageantry, you are quickly becoming one of my favourite posters. Keep it up, man. (Though I do prefer your Not Benny's Coat avatar.)

[tpbaxter]

really i'm so over this conversation. i don't care anymore. personally, i'm just going to do what i do and damn anyone who doesn't like it. damn them! damn damn damn.

and for what it's worth I'd rather have the words removed rather than the entire post. at least the rest of the conversation still makes sense and my ideas can still come across. just don't change the context. like don't go back and make me say i love kittens cause i don't. i hate them actually. F kittens, dammit.

There's a forum I go to that has filter that turns certain words into a series of asterics. I've seen this on several forums actually. Of course it's better if people just refrain from using profanities out of common courtesy but some people either don't have that or their vocabulary is too limited.

yeah exactly, why should we punish some people who have the disability of limited vocabulary? just because i have trouble expressing myself doesn't give anyone the right to censor me, dammit.

and what about people with Tourrette's? some people need to hurl a barrage of obscenities. perfectly natural.

I think you guys are making this too complicated, Lissa and Notso.

If you really feel the need to edit someone, just put "moderator edit:" in the post.

If someone has a gripe, let 'em come to you. Spending all day PM'ing your official reasoning, wastes your time... time, that could be better spent posting silly theories with the rest of us. :D

As far as 'the new diggs...' I'd like some other screen options. I'm using 'yurimen' which is gray with red accents. But some of the graphics look kind of cheap. It'd be nice to have this color with the Predator graphics.

But beggars can't be choosers, and I've rambled on long enough... :o

that's another conversation we probably should have been having instead of this one. What's with the friends thing? and there are different kind of private messages now? these new features frighten and confuse me, as do most new things.

[SpaceBar]

Yeah, Baxter, I'm not sure Tourettes is a problem in text.

[bunnydixon]

Yeah, Baxter, I'm not sure Tourettes is a problem in text.

but its sure as hall a good excuse right ;)

[LissaMarie]

I've never really pm'd a poster before for just removing a curse word but now that we have these guidelines it would be a good thing to send a friendly reminder to them. I think if you do it your way and I do it mine we are still accomplishing the same end and that's the point. If what you do works for you then keep doing it and I will continue to do what I do then. As long as the results are the same I'd say "whatever works" then! I would not want you to do something outside of your comfort level unless it was your choice to do so. OMG! I just realized that we better start argueing again because people are gonna get confused!!!! lol!!!! See? I told you, trouble maker! lol!!!!

Sounds like a deal, Notso! :)

Now bite me!!!:p

[XmasDVD]

WOW great to have this back up!
Welcome back everyone!!!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Uh, Xmas, could you turn on the Xmas tree lights so we can actually see in here??? .... and yes, it's grand to be home!!!

[notsolost42]

Uh, Xmas, could you turn on the Xmas tree lights so we can actually see in here??? .... and yes, it's grand to be home!!!

Aww, really? You don't like the new color scheme? I love it and think it's very cool looking. Very sleek and modern and easy on the eyes to read. lol. And I second that emotion! It is grand to be home! Yippppeeeee!!!

[LincolnEcho06]

I like the dark blues, it's easier on the eyes. Can't see some pictures or avatars though. But hey, it's working.

I feel like a refugee going from camp to camp.

[losttime]

People if you dont like the blue color just go all the way down to the bottom of the page and where it says "Firefly Fluid click on it and hit default.

[3d-aholic]

Yes, plus its possible the admin will add more skins....I think there were more before...so you'd be able to have a few styles to choose from.

[boutte]

I think it looks very slick.

[Unbridled Pageantry]

My God, what a good feeling it is to be back.
Thanks Lincoln for the link, and hello to everyone. I missed everyone; except for the Australians, but thats a whole other story. :)

[LissaMarie]

Trouble with a capital T!!!

[losttime]

I think it looks very slick.

I am liking it as well Boutte. I was just letting the friends know if they havent that if they want it changed back to the clear screen than just got to the bottom left and changeto default setting instead of firefly. But this is "trippy"

[XmasDVD]

I like the color scheme. Of course Christmas Red/Green are MUCH better LOL

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

My God, what a good feeling it is to be back.
Thanks Lincoln for the link, and hello to everyone. I missed everyone; except for the Australians, but thats a whole other story. :)

Unbridled!!!! You made it home!!! I was worrying about everyone who couldn't be id'ed on FB! SWEEEEEET~~~:)

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Unbridled!!!! You made it home!!! I was worrying about everyone who couldn't be id'ed on FB! SWEEEEEET~~~:)

I'm back and more unbridled than ever. :)
It was a strange journey over there in the chat room for those two weeks. I learned alot about myself, and most importantly I learned tolerance for the Australians. It was along, gravelly road though.

[LostandAlone]

I'm back and more unbridled than ever. :)
It was a strange journey over there in the chat room for those two weeks. I learned alot about myself, and most importantly I learned tolerance for the Australians. It was along, gravelly road though.

Yes, it is good to be back. I didn't join in very often over there in the cardboard Barma, but it is good to be 'home'. I've never talked to you U.P. as far as I know, but what is there to tolerate about the Australians? I find them quite pleasant.:)

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Yes, it is good to be back. I didn't join in very often over there in the cardboard Barma, but it is good to be 'home'. I've never talked to you U.P. as far as I know, but what is there to tolerate about the Australians? I find them quite pleasant.:)

Hi lostandalone; I didn't really have a Aussie problem.
Just over in the chat room I chose to vent my forum frustrations onto the Australians. Some things were said, some feelings were hurt, but in the end Krakup and I found our footing on the plains of national tolerance. :)

[LostandAlone]

I always said the Barma reminded me of "Cheers". I thought you might want to sing along as you read the lyrics to the Cheers theme song -

Making your way in the world today takes everything you've got.
Taking a break from all your worries, sure would help a lot.

Wouldn't you like to get away?

Sometimes you want to go

Where everybody knows your name,
and they're always glad you came.
You wanna be where you can see,
our troubles are all the same
You wanna be where everybody knows
Your name.

You wanna go where people know,
people are all the same,
You wanna go where everybody knows
your name. ;)

[LostandAlone]

Hi lostandalone; I didn't really have a Aussie problem.
Just over in the chat room I chose to vent my forum frustrations onto the Australians. Some things were said, some feelings were hurt, but in the end Krakup and I found our footing on the plains of national tolerance. :)

very cool....I like that :):cool:

[bunnydixon]

i dont think i ventured into the chat room.

krak up was there? i thought his pooter was busted?

[Jelena]

I stopped by the chat, only to find spacebar suffers from multiple personality disorder, and U.P. suffering from being an ass to the Australians, which pissed Lisa and Krak, and me, cause he made them go at Canadians - so there, we almost had an international incident. Aside from that, you really didn't miss much bunny.

[bunnydixon]

just sounds like the usual lost.com fare ;)

[LostandAlone]

I stopped by the chat, only to find spacebar suffers from multiple personality disorder, and U.P. suffering from being an ass to the Australians, which pissed Lisa and Krak, and me, cause he made them go at Canadians - so there, we almost had an international incident. Aside from that, you really didn't miss much bunny.

I have two questions:

A. Space Bar made it to the chat room?:eek:

B. KrakUp is Back?:)


and two comments:

A. Some people take pleasure in stirring up trouble.:confused:

B. I'm so glad to be back! Hi Jelana, hi Bunny, hi everybody!!!!!:D

[Unbridled Pageantry]

My war with Australia was purely done for my own entertainment.
Krakup was on board right from the beginning, and knew that I was only joking.
If anything I think I helped to strengthen Cana-Aussie relations.

[JfromtheD]

It's funny, I'm still in the habit of checking the chat.

But what's really strange, is the fact that there are people who go there, unaware that there is this big-ass forum, just one link below. :confused:

They slowly left when we all showed up... :o

[LissaMarie]

Yay!! JD & Lynnheart! You finally made it... :)

Happy to see you, mi amigos!

[Unbridled Pageantry]

It's funny, I'm still in the habit of checking the chat.

But what's really strange, is the fact that there are people who go there, unaware that there is this big-ass forum, just one link below. :confused:

They slowly left when we all showed up... :o

Hey J, glad I could help. :)
I know what you mean I`ve still been checking in on the chat too.
I think I`m going to keep it up, I don`t want to treat the chat room like a prostitute that I only go to when there`s no one else. (not that I have any experience in that kind of thing.)

[LissaMarie]

Your innocence is so questionable, UP, with the pics you've shared, the skin-tight women's clothes and the gang signs! You're an enigma. No wonder you love this show! :)

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Your innocence is so questionable, UP, with the pics you've shared, the skin-tight women's clothes and the gang signs! You're an enigma. No wonder you love this show! :)

I truely am tacky Lissa; but dammit, I wear it so well.
:)

[chester]

I truely am tacky Lissa; but dammit, I wear it so well.
:)

What is that gang sign, by the way? Are you part of Spock's crew, UP? "Live long and prosper; or I'll cap yo a$$"

[LissaMarie]

I truely am tacky Lissa; but dammit, I wear it so well.
:)

Heehee, sounds familiar! Welcome to the club, UP! :p

Hahahaha, Chester! TOO funny!

[Unbridled Pageantry]

What is that gang sign, by the way? Are you part of Spock's crew, UP? "Live long and prosper; or I'll cap yo a$$"

It`s my new gang sign for my non-violent posse that I roll with.
We`re called `The Friendly Canucks`, and we`re very intimidating; as you can see.

[Jelena]

It`s my new gang sign for my non-violent posse that I roll with.
We`re called `The Friendly Canucks`, and we`re very intimidating; as you can see.

Hahahahaha! Oh, I totally missed you during the forum's off season, U.P.

[ortrules]

It`s my new gang sign for my non-violent posse that I roll with.
We`re called `The Friendly Canucks`, and we`re very intimidating; as you can see.

Stupid Canadians...

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Stupid Canadians...

No ort, it's the friendly not stupid.
Although I guess it is debatable in my case.
:)

[Turnip Queen]

Hey, well done on the new forum, it looks fantastic!!xxx

[bunnydixon]

No ort, it's the friendly not stupid.
Although I guess it is debatable in my case.
:)

stupidly friendly?

[LissaMarie]

stupidly friendly?

I think it would be....

stupidly friendly, eh?:p

[Lost Down Under]

I stopped by the chat, only to find spacebar suffers from multiple personality disorder, and U.P. suffering from being an ass to the Australians, which pissed Lisa and Krak, and me, cause he made them go at Canadians - so there, we almost had an international incident. Aside from that, you really didn't miss much bunny.

Uh oh - I'm Canadian and Australian (and British, but ssssh)......maybe I should stay away from UP. :)

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Uh oh - I'm Canadian and Australian (and British, but ssssh)......maybe I should stay away from UP. :)

It's Ok now LostDownUnder, I've worked out my issues with the Aussies.
In fact back in the old chat room, krakup and I are currently in a rousing rendition of the Sound of Silence.
We're really tearing down borders through our joint harmonies.

[LissaMarie]

Simon and Garfunkle IS a bridge over troubled waters. :)

[Vyncent]

It's Ok now LostDownUnder, I've worked out my issues with the Aussies.
In fact back in the old chat room, krakup and I are currently in a rousing rendition of the Sound of Silence.
We're really tearing down borders through our joint harmonies.

Dang it, I watched a movie with a cover of that song in it....I can't remember what it was...maybe Watchmen?
I remember in that scene, it was playing at a funeral for someone.