Connect the dots

[Vyncent]

First off, Hello everyone! First post

And no, I didn't get my nickname from the show, I was using it long before I even thought of watching Lost.

I was up late one night looking at many pics from the show, and in a jumbled mess of thoughts, I came up with a couple of ideas. Let's start with the Blast Door map

(Hopefully this link works)
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4058/blastdoormapoverlay.jpg

On here, we see many references...

First question that pops into my mind is what the heck is "D.I.H.G." (I didn't know at first...and found the answer by searching hard for it) It stands for "Dharma Initiative Hanso Group"

One of the pieces of Latin on the map that reads "Liberate te ex infernis" which translates into "Save yourself from hell/the Underworld" or "Save yourself from those below/spirits of the dead"

We know that the hieroglyphs on the timer translated into Underworld, but here is another piece of the puzzle, I believe..."Save yourself from the Spirits of the dead" written on the Blast door map. Did Stuart Radzinsky and Kevin Inman know about the supposed dead spirits on the island?

Another thing that sticks out is "Aegrescit medendo" which translates into "The disease worsens with the treatment, the remedy is worse than the disease".

We know that the numbers deal with the fate of humanity, and supposedly the DI was setup to try to change those numbers. I forget where I saw the video, but there was someone holding a video camera behind some boxes that were ready to be shipped to the island, and they were talking about a disease wiping out people on the island in an effort to save the rest of humanity.

In the lower-right hand quadrant of the map, we see "Known final resting place of Magnus Hanso/Blackrock"

From Lostpedia:
The name "Magnus Hanso" is equal to "The Great Hanso," or "Hanso the Great."
"Magnus" is a Latin word for "great," "large," "big," "very," "very much," "important," etc.
Is the Latin form of the Dutch surname "de Groot" (both meaning "The Great").

Another thing from the lower-right hand quadrant:

"Stated Goal, Repatriation accelerated de-territorialization of ursus maritimus (polar bear) through gene therapy and extreme climate change"

From dictionary.com:

re⋅pa⋅tri⋅ate
1. to bring or send back (a person, esp. a prisoner of war, a refugee, etc.) to his or her country or land of citizenship.
2. (of profits or other assets) to send back to one's own country.
–verb (used without object)
3. to return to one's own country: to repatriate after 20 years abroad.
–noun
4. a person who has been repatriated.
Origin:
1605–15; < LL repatriātus (ptp. of repatriāre to return to one's fatherland), equiv. to L re- re- + patri(a) native country (n. use of fem. of patrius paternal, deriv. of pater father ) + -ātus -ate 1

Related forms:
re⋅pa⋅tri⋅a⋅ble  /riˈpeɪtriəbəl or, especially Brit., -ˈpæ-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ree-pey-tree-uh-buhl or, especially Brit., -pa-] Show IPA , adjective
re⋅pa⋅tri⋅a⋅tion, noun

Gene therapy research is what the hanso website is all about. If you haven't been there, here ye be: http://www.kraftkost.com/index.html

ONE last thing about the notations on the map, and that is the words "Hic sunt dracones", which translates into "Here be Dragons". The phrase had its origin being used on old maps to indicate places uncharted and likely dangerous, which is probably why there are question marks after the places denoted near that text.

For more translations and other things on the Blast Door Map, I found this site very informative:
http://www.quasiadam.com/theory/bdm.html
I'm also very interested in hearing any new opinions on anything having to do with the blast door map.

Now, to get to the meat and potatoes.

As I stated earlier, I was looking at many images from the show, and it just happened to be Daniel's Journal. Out of all of the pages in his journal, the one that captured my attention the most was this one:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6351/800pxdanjournal6.jpg

I have no clue what "Events A, B, and C" are, and I couldn't begin to tell you the relevance of real space/time and imaginary space/time, but...when you take the image above...namely, this one:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4058/blastdoormapoverlay.jpg

and then look at this one:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6351/800pxdanjournal6.jpg

The lines become more important.

Here, if you take the arrow station, and make it the most bottom right circle on Daniel's Journal page, the lines match up. What does it mean? I have no idea. This show is a puzzle wrapped in enigma wrapped in mystery.

[spartygirl]

Welcome Vyncent !!!!! :) Great to have you here with us lostacholics !! LOL

interesting concepts with door map ....I will have to take some more time to really study it !!!

Stop by the barma (our forum virtual bar) and get to know everyone !!!

[boutte]

Very impressive first post. I'll have to come back to it.

[losttime]

Very impressive first post. I'll have to come back to it.

Agreed. Very thought provoking.

[Vyncent]

Hmmm..

I don't know if this is anything or not, was looking at the BDM (Blast Door Map) again and another thing stuck to me.

"Alleged Location of aborted #7 large number of underground springs heavy water table"

Heavy Water.

Heavy water is a thing which is not in abundance naturally - it is used in very few commercial applications. What makes "Heavy Water" different than normal water is that it contains a substance known as Deuterium.

Taken from Wikipedia:

Deuterium occurs in trace amounts naturally as deuterium gas, written 2H2 or D2, but most natural occurrence in the universe is bonded with a typical 1H atom, a gas called hydrogen deuteride (HD or 1H2H).[5]

The existence of deuterium on Earth, elsewhere in the solar system (as confirmed by planetary probes), and in the spectra of stars, is an important datum in cosmology. Stellar fusion destroys deuterium, and there are no known natural processes other than the Big Bang nucleosynthesis, which might have produced deuterium at anything close to the observed natural abundance of deuterium (deuterium is produced by the rare cluster decay, and occasional absorption of naturally-occuring neutrons by light hydrogen, but these are trivial sources). The natural deuterium abundance seems to be a very similar fraction of hydrogen, wherever hydrogen is found. Thus, the existence of deuterium at a low but constant fraction in all hydrogen, is one of the arguments in favor of the Big Bang theory over the steady state theory of the universe. It is estimated that the abundances of deuterium have not evolved significantly since their production about 13.7 billion years ago.[6]

The world's leading "producer" of deuterium (technically, merely enricher or concentrator of deuterium) was Canada, until 1997 when the last plant was shut down (see more in the heavy water article). Canada uses heavy water as a neutron moderator for the operation of the CANDU reactor design. India is now probably the world's largest concentrator of heavy water, also used in nuclear power reactors.

And the following is taken from here: http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/heavy.htm

Heavy water, D2O, is water in which both hydrogen atoms have been replaced with deuterium, the isotope of hydrogen containing one proton and one neutron. It is present naturally in water, but in only small amounts, less than 1 part in 5,000. Heavy water is one of the two principal moderators which allow a nuclear reactor to operate with natural uranium as its fuel. The other moderator is reactor-grade graphite (graphite containing less than 5 ppm boron and with a density exceeding 1.50 gm/cm 3 ). The first nuclear reactor built in 1942 used graphite as the moderator; German efforts during World War II concentrated on using heavy water to moderate a reactor using natural uranium.

The importance of heavy water to a nuclear proliferator is that it provides one more route to produce plutonium for use in weapons, entirely bypassing uranium enrichment and all of the related technological infrastructure. In addition, heavy-water-moderated reactors can be used to make tritium.

Although one speaks of “making” heavy water, deuterium is not made in the process; rather, molecules of heavy water are separated from the vast quantity of water consisting of H2O or HDO (singly deuterated water), and the “dross” is discarded. Alternatively, the water may be electrolyzed to make oxygen and hydrogen containing normal gas and deuterium. The hydrogen can then be liquefied and distilled to separate the two species. Finally, the resulting deuterium is reacted with oxygen to form heavy water. No nuclear transformations occur.

The production of heavy water in significant amounts requires a technical infrastructure, but one which has similarities to ammonia production, alcohol distillation, and other common industrial processes. One may separate heavy water directly from natural water or first “enrich” the deuterium content in hydrogen gas. It is possible to take advantage of the different boiling points of heavy water (101.4 °C) and normal water (100 °C) or the difference in boiling points between deuterium (–249.7 °C) and hydrogen (–252.5 °C). However, because of the low abundance of deuterium, an enormous amount of water would have to be boiled to obtain useful amounts of deuterium. Because of the high heat of vaporization of water, this process would use enormous quantities of fuel or electricity. Practical facilities which exploit chemical differences use processes requiring much smaller amounts of energy. Separation methods include distillation of liquid hydrogen and various chemical exchange processes which exploit the differing affinities of deuterium and hydrogen for various compounds. These include the ammonia/hydrogen system, which uses potassium amide as the catalyst, and the hydrogen sulfide/water system (Girdler Sulfide process).

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What is heavy water (apparently in abundance, hence, "springs") doing on the island? Lol, I haven't seen a nuclear reactor sitting around...

On a side note, heavy water is drinkable, but does have side effects, so it's not the same as irradiated water.

I know that it does say "Heavy Water Table" but I tried searching that exact phrase on Google and only came up with references to heavy water in the periodic table of elements.

[notsolost42]

Heavy water is used in cold fusion. Well, heavy hydrogen and water. But, I don't think that was what they meant. I think that they mean the water table is heavy. In other words, a heavy water table could be that the water table is almost at the surface and if they were to dig they would just find water. That could be why the station location was aborted.

[Vyncent]

Or...lol, it could be the reactor that was located in the secret room next to the swan that nobody knows about because it hasn't been in the show...

I know...what the heck am I talking about, right?

After MANY hours of research on this...I found the answer.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident_Room

lol, if you read nothing else in that article, make sure you pay explicit attention to the section entitled "Look and Design".

...Which brings up a WHOLE NEW PLETHORA of questions!! Holy carp batman!

Is THIS the incident?
Is this one of the events on Daniel's journal page?
If this is disabled, why is there concrete all around it?

[notsolost42]

Or...lol, it could be the reactor that was located in the secret room next to the swan that nobody knows about because it hasn't been in the show...

I know...what the heck am I talking about, right?

After MANY hours of research on this...I found the answer.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incident_Room

lol, if you read nothing else in that article, make sure you pay explicit attention to the section entitled "Look and Design".

...Which brings up a WHOLE NEW PLETHORA of questions!! Holy carp batman!

Is THIS the incident?
Is this one of the events on Daniel's journal page?
If this is disabled, why is there concrete all around it?

Honey, read it and weep:

http://67.210.226.186/forum/showthread.php?t=7684

[Vyncent]

[QUOTE=notsolost42;178124]When Sayid was crawling around under the Swan in the episide Everybody Hates Hugo, he told Jack "The last time I heard of concrete being poured over everything in this way was Chernobyl." This statement combined with the sealed tunnels on the blast door map and what we have seen in the Swan itself all point to a catastrophic accident that occured there. The remnants of that accident are an extreme electromagnetic pulse that can still be felt through ten feet of a poured concrete wall and a computer system that must have a code entered into it every 108 minutes that prevents an even stronger, more cataclizmic release of this electromagnetic energy.

-=Awesome read! lol, I should have known that you, in particular, had already uncovered information pertaining to the incident room.=-

[notsolost42]

[QUOTE=notsolost42;178124]When Sayid was crawling around under the Swan in the episide Everybody Hates Hugo, he told Jack "The last time I heard of concrete being poured over everything in this way was Chernobyl." This statement combined with the sealed tunnels on the blast door map and what we have seen in the Swan itself all point to a catastrophic accident that occured there. The remnants of that accident are an extreme electromagnetic pulse that can still be felt through ten feet of a poured concrete wall and a computer system that must have a code entered into it every 108 minutes that prevents an even stronger, more cataclizmic release of this electromagnetic energy.

-=Awesome read! lol, I should have known that you, in particular, had already uncovered information pertaining to the incident room.=-

Well, I guess it was sorta close but no cigar. I think we can safely assume that the incident was the plutonium trigger of Jughead being detonated by Juliet. I still say that the fertility issues, the "sickness", etc. were caused by it. Like I mentioned (I think it was that thread) the vaccines were for radiation sickness as were the hazmat suits that were worn by Kelvin and then Des. Wait, I also had a thread about The Plutonium Trigger or something and it may have been on that one. Sorry. You can go to my profile and click on statistics and see all of the threads I posted. You might be interested in some of them. I think we are on the same LOST wavelength. lol.

[Vyncent]

Actually, I still find myself debating as to whether or not the bomb went off or not...I'm not really convinced that it has. We are led to believe that it did from the way that the season ended, the sound of an explosion and white light, but remember TPTB's ability to deceive. IF the hole that Juliet was pulled into was the original entryway to the swan that John blew open with dynamite, we know that that entrance is only 40-50 feet deep. I don't know the specifics on Jughead, but I believe that everything for many miles around would be in shambles...the barracks wouldn't even be left standing.

Have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp6aZIhHiRE

hehe...those buildings are on shock absorbers, but even they get lifted off the ground.

The hatch door that the guy was hammering the serial numbers on would probably be located next to the fake 815 crash site :)

[notsolost42]

Actually, I still find myself debating as to whether or not the bomb went off or not...I'm not really convinced that it has. We are led to believe that it did from the way that the season ended, the sound of an explosion and white light, but remember TPTB's ability to deceive. IF the hole that Juliet was pulled into was the original entryway to the swan that John blew open with dynamite, we know that that entrance is only 40-50 feet deep. I don't know the specifics on Jughead, but I believe that everything for many miles around would be in shambles...the barracks wouldn't even be left standing.

Have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp6aZIhHiRE

hehe...those buildings are on shock absorbers, but even they get lifted off the ground.

The hatch door that the guy was hammering the serial numbers on would probably be located next to the fake 815 crash site :)

Well, I suppose that the energy released from an explosion like that could destroy things for miles around....unless there is another source of energy that is even stronger and could absorb or cancel it out....like the pocket of electromagnetism...our friendly EM from the negatively charged exotic matter. It could render the physical affects of the plutonium trigger uselss but still leave the "invisible" affects like those from radiation.

[losttime]

Actually, I still find myself debating as to whether or not the bomb went off or not...I'm not really convinced that it has. We are led to believe that it did from the way that the season ended, the sound of an explosion and white light, but remember TPTB's ability to deceive. IF the hole that Juliet was pulled into was the original entryway to the swan that John blew open with dynamite, we know that that entrance is only 40-50 feet deep. I don't know the specifics on Jughead, but I believe that everything for many miles around would be in shambles...the barracks wouldn't even be left standing.

Have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp6aZIhHiRE

hehe...those buildings are on shock absorbers, but even they get lifted off the ground.

The hatch door that the guy was hammering the serial numbers on would probably be located next to the fake 815 crash site :)

If the EM charge was strong enough to pull objects into it, than it is possible that the energy of the bomb was contained by the magnetic pull not allowing it to go very far.

[krakup]

If the EM charge was strong enough to pull objects into it, than it is possible that the energy of the bomb was contained by the magnetic pull not allowing it to go very far.

i am just expecting a similar implosion to the swan station and losties having similar experiences to des

[losttime]

i am just expecting a similar implosion to the swan station and losties having similar experiences to des

It will be interesting to see what resulted from the bomb detonating.

[wiley]

It will be interesting to see what resulted from the bomb detonating.

Perhaps the time-line was bifurcated (two parts of the same thing) like a pen separated from it's ink or a page in a book torn in two. Still the same time-line just split in two and needs to brought back together in order to be whole.