Gripes, Praise, and Thoughts

[JfromtheD]

My gripes, from last night...

- Why the hell was Mark hanging out in a bar, if he's in recovery?
(and nice friends, by the way, to be doing shots right in his face) :rolleyes:

- The use of the word "Flashforward," it's not working. It sounds so forced. I'd like to simply see the words 'Flash" or "Blackout.
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How great is the senator's character? She seems like such a bitch, but I think she's actually just doing her job.
"now, does anyone have a question about 'Nazi Repatriation?'" :cool:

She shredded Mark's testimony! :D

[notsolost42]

I think last nights show was just okay. A little too contrived for me. It seemed more like they were going for shock value on prime time television more than much else to pick up new viewers. Not that I mind but the word of the night was apparently douche and lesbian. There could have been more to the actual story I think. A shocking end though.

[JfromtheD]

As much as I like chicks kissing...
(NotThatThere'sAnythingWrongWithThat)

It did seem over the top, which is why I suspect that there will be more to it.
If it had been girl/guy or guy/guy I would've thought the same thing...

It was forcing immediate familliarity with the girlfriend.

So, now we've been challenged twice, with 'can things change?'
Dimitry with the future customs agent, smoking the bong. (whatever happened with that?)
And Janice getting shot.

[losttime]

It was just one of those other lame connections between Lost and FF. Tom was gay, so they needed a gay character on FF.

I dont think she is dead and the look of joy she had when she was pregnant had to do with the fact that most likely the Drs will tell her she will never be able tohave children R/T the GSW.

Right before she was shot didnt the camera show a mom with her chuild in the carriage and then the camera focused on her face as if she was thinking about the baby thing

think that might be too obvious but I think that might be whats going on.

[JfromtheD]

I thought the doctor who was going to commit suicide is/will be gay.

I had suspicions about him and the man in Penny's dream.
(why did he separate from his wife?)

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

FF pretty much lost my vote for a potentially great show when they force fed us the acceptance of the lesbian thing.
As weirdly out of place as the Tom thing was on Lost, it was simply that and no more to it, whereas with last night, I felt like they were saying, "Oh, and in case you didn't catch this the first three times, let's do it again!"

[notsolost42]

The whole bit with Janice and her lover breaking up because she was pregnant and wearing a wedding ring was so contrived. Both of them had wedding rings on. Why didn't one of them mention something about IVF? (In Vitro Fertilization?) Made no sense to me. Bet they get back together and that's what happens. I don't think being shot in the upper left quadrant of the gut will necessarily prevent a woman from getting pregnant. The uterus is much lower and in the center. :rolleyes:

I don't think there was anything wrong with showing a lesbian relationship. I mean for crying out loud watch the video I have linked in my sig! lol! It's just that they seemed to be doing it more for ratings and shock value than anything else at this point. Hopefully, they will redeem themselved (the writers) and be able to weave it into the story arc for a specific reason.

Wasn't the discovery of the pylons cool? They were in a star pattern with five points, right?

[Archangel-Player]

The whole bit with Janice and her lover breaking up because she was pregnant and wearing a wedding ring was so contrived. Both of them had wedding rings on. Why didn't one of them mention something about IVF? (In Vitro Fertilization?) Made no sense to me. Bet they get back together and that's what happens. I don't think being shot in the upper left quadrant of the gut will necessarily prevent a woman from getting pregnant. The uterus is much lower and in the center. :rolleyes:

I don't think there was anything wrong with showing a lesbian relationship. I mean for crying out loud watch the video I have linked in my sig! lol! It's just that they seemed to be doing it more for ratings and shock value than anything else at this point. Hopefully, they will redeem themselved (the writers) and be able to weave it into the story arc for a specific reason.

Wasn't the discovery of the pylons cool? They were in a star pattern with five points, right?

My wife and I have gotten into this show. But I to was kinda if`y on the Lesbo senairio. But since they have thrown it into the mix. Might as well shrug it off if you want to finish the show. On another note. I mentioned to my wife. Just because she is seen having a baby in the future. Doesn`t mean she had relations with a man. She could have been inpregnated by some other artficial means. Also her lover seeing herself with a wedding ring doesn`t mean a man gave it to her.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

The whole bit with Janice and her lover breaking up because she was pregnant and wearing a wedding ring was so contrived. Both of them had wedding rings on. Why didn't one of them mention something about IVF? (In Vitro Fertilization?) Made no sense to me. Bet they get back together and that's what happens. I don't think being shot in the upper left quadrant of the gut will necessarily prevent a woman from getting pregnant. The uterus is much lower and in the center. :rolleyes:

I don't think there was anything wrong with showing a lesbian relationship. I mean for crying out loud watch the video I have linked in my sig! lol! It's just that they seemed to be doing it more for ratings and shock value than anything else at this point. Hopefully, they will redeem themselved (the writers) and be able to weave it into the story arc for a specific reason.

Wasn't the discovery of the pylons cool? They were in a star pattern with five points, right?

Wait. What's this star patterned pylon thing? I must've missed it whilst vomiting.

[JfromtheD]

It was just one of those other lame connections between Lost and FF. Tom was gay, so they needed a gay character on FF.

I dissagree. This was an important part to the twist of her pregnancy...
We found out that not only did she "not have a boyfriend." But that she doesn't date men, and hasn't for a long time.
Her girlfriend had a wedding ring on, suggesting that maybe the two would have a long term relationship. And possibly has a baby thru artificial insemination.

Tom, on the other hand, had no reason to be "outed."
It hade absolutely nothing to do with any part of the story, at all.
It seems to me, that Lost needed or wanted a 'token' gay character.

[JfromtheD]

Wasn't the discovery of the pylons cool? They were in a star pattern with five points, right?

It was frustrating...
Last week, we were talking about being unsure which was important; the cloud or the tower.

I feel like I fell for some 'slight of hand' trick. :o :D

[notsolost42]

It was frustrating...
Last week, we were talking about being unsure which was important; the cloud or the tower.

I feel like I fell for some 'slight of hand' trick. :o :D

Well, unless the cloud is made by the pylons and is what spreads in the atmosphere and causes the blackouts. Hmmm. Now, what kills crows?

[JfromtheD]

West Nile Virus? Bird Flu? :D

[notsolost42]

West Nile Virus? Bird Flu? :D

Bird flu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahaha!!!!! That's gotta be it!!!!

[lynnhart]

Just got to watch this week's episode. I hated all the political crap, one of the reasons I stopped watching X-Files back in the day, it just got to political and I find that incredibly boring.

[JfromtheD]

I thought the testimonies really added to the "jeopardy" of the situation.

That Senator Palmero character is a bitch, but I like her.

[losttime]

I thought the testimonies really added to the "jeopardy" of the situation.

That Senator Palmero character is a bitch, but I like her.

She did a great job playing that role. WOnder if she is one in real life.

[JfromtheD]

I don't know, but she reminds me a bit of Nancy Pelosi, with her mannerisms.

I hope we see more of her.
Actually, she's Vice President now, isn't she... so we probably will.

[losttime]

I don't know, but she reminds me a bit of Nancy Pelosi, with her mannerisms.

I hope we see more of her.
Actually, she's Vice President now, isn't she... so we probably will.

Soon to be President
LOL

[JfromtheD]

Yeah. :D Good point, I forgot that...

[losttime]

Yeah. :D Good point, I forgot that...

That is of course you cant change your futures on this show.

[lynnhart]

I thought the testimonies really added to the "jeopardy" of the situation.

That Senator Palmero character is a bitch, but I like her.

Yeah, bitch for sure -- bet she'll make a good president.

[JfromtheD]

Yeah, Wedicks totally screwed now...

He believed in Marks flash, and used up his "one time only" extortion card, with the sitting President.

[lynnhart]

Yeah, Wedicks totally screwed now...

He believed in Marks flash, and used up his "one time only" extortion card, with the sitting President.

Who do you think the guys shooting at the FBI were? Could the president have been involved because of the extortion?

[losttime]

Yeah, Wedicks totally screwed now...

He believed in Marks flash, and used up his "one time only" extortion card, with the sitting President.

More like a sitting duck. LOL


I think even though he was "lit" and the vision wasnt very clear, the bottom line is he did see things that was leading him in a possible direction to finding the people responsible.

Enough so that there were people going after him.

We also have to keep in mind that they may not be going after him but could be someone who is there to protect him. We never see them shoot at him and they may have been hired to guard him.

They could have had a vision that someone was going to kill him and they show up looking for him to guard him.

Stranger things have happened and could be a whole new twist on it.

[Refnu]

More like a sitting duck. LOL


I think even though he was "lit" and the vision wasnt very clear, the bottom line is he did see things that was leading him in a possible direction to finding the people responsible.

Enough so that there were people going after him.

We also have to keep in mind that they may not be going after him but could be someone who is there to protect him. We never see them shoot at him and they may have been hired to guard him.

They could have had a vision that someone was going to kill him and they show up looking for him to guard him.

Stranger things have happened and could be a whole new twist on it.

I'm hoping this is true. I love stories where first impressions are way off and once you find out their true intentions you realize you have to re-think everything.

To me the political scenes made me irritated, but that was their intention so it worked.

Yes, I believe the pylons were in a 5 star shape. Either that or some type of pattern. Have they looked at images of that area when the blackout happened? Because that was at least 15+ years earlier. They should probably check to see if they are still there or if there are more.


Girl getting shot might cause her to find out that she is pregnant. I think either two things will happen, she'll always have pregnancy on her mind so she'll force herself to get pregnant, or possibly she will somehow get to the emergency room and the doctors will find out that she is pregnant. Maybe she's carrying the chosen child that will save the flashforward world! ha

[Desi420]

I'm still up in the air about this show. It has promise and I missed the last 2 episodes.

[losttime]

I'm hoping this is true. I love stories where first impressions are way off and once you find out their true intentions you realize you have to re-think everything.

To me the political scenes made me irritated, but that was their intention so it worked.

Yes, I believe the pylons were in a 5 star shape. Either that or some type of pattern. Have they looked at images of that area when the blackout happened? Because that was at least 15+ years earlier. They should probably check to see if they are still there or if there are more.


Girl getting shot might cause her to find out that she is pregnant. I think either two things will happen, she'll always have pregnancy on her mind so she'll force herself to get pregnant, or possibly she will somehow get to the emergency room and the doctors will find out that she is pregnant. Maybe she's carrying the chosen child that will save the flashforward world! ha

I am leaning more toward the fact that she seeing herself pregnant makes her think about it and becomes obseesed wit hthe idea leading her to get pregnant. Even more so now that she has been shot and survives.

But having been shot the Drs will tell her that getting pregnant will be impossible and thats why she has such a joyous look on her face that she was able to do the unthinkable.

I know women get every excited to see their baby developing healthy but i think this is more of a specific reason she was overjoyed. Just an idea. WHo knows what will happen and if she even gets pregnant

[rachelskid]

ok, so i have 2 - 4 cents to add.

i am still waiting for that feeling with this show, that "i want to see more!" and...its not happening at all.

i am not annoyed about the lesbian thing, I totally agree with JfromtheD. you hit it right on, friendly's story had no purpose where as here it totally does.

*steps on soap box* ramming the lesbian thing down your throat??? whoever said that pshhh. who are you that we all need to pretend like real people in the real world are not lesbians dealing with these issues? your personal belief system of (discomfort and hatred) is not enough to punish 10% of the population by never representing them in prime time. ridiculous.if the whole world blacks out, you better believe gays and lesbians will too and will experience interesting side effects in their lives. seriously* steps off soap box. i live in san francisco after all. will defend to the death. will rip apart discrim bs on sight. and no, not a lesbian.

wasn't anyone annoyed by this BS blown up car?? how did they get out of it? i hate that kind of crap. the unbelievable stuff our "heroes" go through and yet never ever die. they NEED to kill an important character and soon. or boring...

i am still tired of the lost imitation stuff.

DM just did an interview and said that FF is not even close in mythology to lost, but not simplistic either.

idk, i am not sold. but, there is no mystery show around after...snif, snif, lost is gone. have higher hopes for V. super excited to see it.

[boutte]

My gripes, from last night...

- Why the hell was Mark hanging out in a bar, if he's in recovery?
(and nice friends, by the way, to be doing shots right in his face) :rolleyes:

- The use of the word "Flashforward," it's not working. It sounds so forced. I'd like to simply see the words 'Flash" or "Blackout.
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How great is the senator's character? She seems like such a bitch, but I think she's actually just doing her job.
"now, does anyone have a question about 'Nazi Repatriation?'" :cool:

She shredded Mark's testimony! :D

Gripes: Having the homosexual relationship rubbed in my face. I believe in tolerance for alternate lifestyles and i know that just because I believe homosexuality is wrong doesn't mean that anyone else has to agree with me. I don't believe it's right to try to force anyone to live by standards, but I don't want to have it forced upon me and I think the majority of people watching prime time television feel the same way. If you want to depict physical homosexual activity do it on cable or some other medium where people with traditional family values (and their children and families) aren't having it thrust on them without warning.

Praise: I think they're trying to use the story telling formula Lost introduced and while they're missing the target somewhat I appreciate the effort. The story is original and imaginative.

I'm still not completely sold though. I'll wait and see how it develops.

[JfromtheD]

Just a thought on the whole idea that Flashforward is (in general terms) a Lost ripoff...

FlashForward was published in 1999.

At that point in time, JJ Abrams was working on Felicity... writing about secret crushes, puppy love, and cooties. :D

[JfromtheD]

have higher hopes for V. super excited to see it.

The car getting smashed actually made me jump. :o

I completely forgot that we were watching the moments leading up to the crash.

Not to change the subject, but I read that V is going to do the same as the original show did... be shown as two sections.

There's going to be 4 episodes starting tomorrow. Then it's going to go away until March (or was it May?) :confused:

[JfromtheD]

Gripes: Having the homosexual relationship rubbed in my face. I believe in tolerance for alternate lifestyles and i know that just because I believe homosexuality is wrong doesn't mean that anyone else has to agree with me. I don't believe it's right to try to force anyone to live by standards, but I don't want to have it forced upon me and I think the majority of people watching prime time television feel the same way. If you want to depict physical homosexual activity do it on cable or some other medium where people with traditional family values (and their children and families) aren't having it thrust on them without warning.

Praise: I think they're trying to use the story telling formula Lost introduced and while they're missing the target somewhat I appreciate the effort. The story is original and imaginative.

I'm still not completely sold though. I'll wait and see how it develops.

I hadn't thought about the children and families, part. It is on at 8:00, afterall.
That being said, 8pm is early, and putting myself in your shoes... I would be concerned for same sex or opposite sex making out at that time.

I don't much care what people do or think, as long as it doesn't effect me.
And I don't have kids, so I don't worry so much about what's appropriate or not... but I am considerate and empathetic.

Honest question:
Character genders aside... would you feel better if this was shown at 10 P.M. instead of 8:00?

[beachblinkette]

I dissagree. This was an important part to the twist of her pregnancy...
We found out that not only did she "not have a boyfriend." But that she doesn't date men, and hasn't for a long time.
Her girlfriend had a wedding ring on, suggesting that maybe the two would have a long term relationship. And possibly has a baby thru artificial insemination.

Tom, on the other hand, had no reason to be "outed."
It hade absolutely nothing to do with any part of the story, at all.
It seems to me, that Lost needed or wanted a 'token' gay character.

What they did with Tom on Lost had restraint, class, didn't force it and left the rest up to the imagination if you wanted to go there..

Hey folks, the wounded female was bleeding out --a abdominal wound can kill you in less than 5 minutes. Maybe she won't survive and that will be the other twist: that some FF's will come true and some won't. Depends on if you respect What Could Happen in spite of the FF? Deception can be deadly, too. Tricksy. So you say you wanna live forever? She acted as if she were invincible with all that out in the open shooting.....Did she flaunt her FF?
Rut Roh. So are they planning on some FF being tricks--like producing an element of chaos--just to head fake us??

By the way, Naomi (the one Locke stabbed) has a supporting part on White Collar--a new show.

[beachblinkette]

I hadn't thought about the children and families, part. It is on at 8:00, afterall.
That being said, 8pm is early, and putting myself in your shoes... I would be concerned for same sex or opposite sex making out at that time.

I don't much care what people do or think, as long as it doesn't effect me.
And I don't have kids, so I don't worry so much about what's appropriate or not... but I am considerate and empathetic.

Honest question:
Character genders aside... would you feel better if this was shown at 10 P.M. instead of 8:00?

If they keep this up, I will not continue watching the show-- I don't care how great it is. It is not for me. What you do in your own bedroom is one thing. If you choose a same sex relationship, that is your right. Do I want to watch lesbians and gays make out on FF or any other show?--no I don't. Just being truthful here. No PC for me. Don't mean to offend. I'm glad we still have free speech. Your right to be gay stops at your trying to make me watch you being gay.

[JfromtheD]

What they did with Tom on Lost had restraint, class, didn't force it and left the rest up to the imagination if you wanted to go there..

Class? He "indulged himself" with a one night stand... power and money considered, he may have been a hooker. :confused:

Janice may or may not die. But either way, there has now been an established storyline that she became pregnant, while she was not dating men.

[rachelskid]

If they keep this up, I will not continue watching the show-- I don't care how great it is. It is not for me. What you do in your own bedroom is one thing. If you choose a same sex relationship, that is your right. Do I want to watch lesbians and gays make out on FF or any other show?--no I don't. Just being truthful here. No PC for me. Don't mean to offend. I'm glad we still have free speech. Your right to be gay stops at your trying to make me watch you being gay.

by that rational every "gay" who is not comfortable watching hetero make out on prime time should have the same say, and then what you get? no love quadrangle on lost!!! wait, bad example, but you get the idea.

so disappointing. thank god i live in "PC" disney land. anyway...

jfromthed - what do mean starting tomorrow? i thought that V was coming next week, and that 8 epis are already bought, etc. like with FF, ABC won't fully pick up until after it gets a read on the audience. i see that scyfy is showing the original miniseries next sunday i think. and EMitchel said in an interview during comicon (I think) that yes it will be like the original, but then also new too, especially if they get picked up as a series. you mean they will do a "miniseries" type thing with the first 4 epis and then come back in the spring season with Lost? hmmmm... well, its not that long really. its halloween, and in 3 weeks it TGiving, then before you know it, december holidays, new years, and the final countdown!!!

its like jerry said to elaine in seinfeld once, when you think about it, its really only a few hours...

[JfromtheD]

Sorry, next week... I ain't so smaht sum-tines. :o

The 4 part beginning, I'm pretty certain, though...

And then hiatus, until after the Olympics.

[rachelskid]

Sorry, next week... I ain't so smaht sum-tines. :o

The 4 part beginning, I'm pretty certain, though...

And then hiatus, until after the Olympics.

OLYMPICS???:eek: dang. i hear lost will be taking a short hiatus for the olympics too.

apparently its 108 days until the olympics http://www.vancouver2010.com/

[JfromtheD]

Wait a minute...

The Olympics are on NBC. :confused:

[boutte]

And I don't have kids, so I don't worry so much about what's appropriate or not... but I am considerate and empathetic.

Honest question:
Character genders aside... would you feel better if this was shown at 10 P.M. instead of 8:00?
I don't have kids either. But to be hinest I just don't like kids being exposed to homosexuality as if it's perfectly normal and OK. I don't think it is. There's a difference between tolerance of some one else's choice and condoning it.

Would I feel better if it was on at 10? Yes. I would feel even better if there was a warning that there was going to depictions of homosexual contact like they do for harsh language, violence and "mature themes" I'd still watch the show but at least people would be forewarned.
If they keep this up, I will not continue watching the show-- I don't care how great it is. It is not for me. What you do in your own bedroom is one thing. If you choose a same sex relationship, that is your right. Do I want to watch lesbians and gays make out on FF or any other show?--no I don't. Just being truthful here. No PC for me. Don't mean to offend. I'm glad we still have free speech. Your right to be gay stops at your trying to make me watch you being gay.
Yeah!
by that rational every "gay" who is not comfortable watching hetero make out on prime time should have the same say, and then what you get? no love quadrangle on lost!!! wait, bad example, but you get the idea.
The huge majority of people are not offended by seeing a man kiss a woman. While most people in this country have come to except gay right I think most still don't condone or want to see this kind of stuff on prime time TV.
so disappointing. thank god i live in "PC" disney land. anyway...

jfromthed - what do mean starting tomorrow? i thought that V was coming next week, and that 8 epis are already bought, etc. like with FF, ABC won't fully pick up until after it gets a read on the audience. i see that scyfy is showing the original miniseries next sunday i think. and EMitchel said in an interview during comicon (I think) that yes it will be like the original, but then also new too, especially if they get picked up as a series. you mean they will do a "miniseries" type thing with the first 4 epis and then come back in the spring season with Lost? hmmmm... well, its not that long really. its halloween, and in 3 weeks it TGiving, then before you know it, december holidays, new years, and the final countdown!!!

its like jerry said to elaine in seinfeld once, when you think about it, its really only a few hours...
I just hope they do as good a job as SciFi did with Battle Star Gallactica.

[JfromtheD]

its like jerry said to elaine in seinfeld once, when you think about it, its really only a few hours...

That was when they got stuck at his parents place in Florida, right?
I love that show! :D

[JfromtheD]

I don't have kids either. But to be hinest I just don't like kids being exposed to homosexuality as if it's perfectly normal and OK. I don't think it is. There's a difference between tolerance of some one else's choice and condoning it.

Would I feel better if it was on at 10? Yes. I would feel even better if there was a warning that there was going to depictions of homosexual contact like they do for harsh language, violence and "mature themes" I'd still watch the show but at least people would be forewarned.

Yeah!

I just hope they do as good a job as SciFi did with Battle Star Gallactica.
Normal/not normal, I don't know.
I'm not, and I don't really understand why people are... but that's not my problem.

But I agree, I think it'd be better with it on after 10pm, too.

[losttime]

Normal/not normal, I don't know.
I'm not, and I don't really understand why people are... but that's not my problem.

But I agree, I think it'd be better with it on after 10pm, too.

Its like anything. You see it enough, it starts to be accepted as normal.. Some 50-60 yrs ago you wouldnt see a husband and wife in the same bed on TV, let alone a gay couple kissing.

I forgot what show it was but the husband and wife had their own beds they slept in. Maybe I Love Lucy. I dont remember I just remember hearing about that.

[Gettingafixonlost]

I have to admit I am slightly homophobic when I see the same sex kissing etc., it sort of makes me kringe, but I love Ellen Degeneres and Portia DaRossi (sp). My kids know she is gay, they think it is kind of funny (strange), but I don't think it will affect them in the sense that they could become gay knowing others are, one is either gay or they aren't (have no clue about the Bi peeps out there, that has always puzzled me).

As far as Flash Foward I am still on the fence, need to watch a couple more episodes I think. It was weird seeing the actress that owned the restaurant in a gay fashion as I know her from the show Numbers, which she still appears on as the fiance of one of the main characters.

[tpbaxter]

I just finished the 6th episode so I think I'm caught up with you guys now. And I went through most of this thread...

As much as I like chicks kissing...
(NotThatThere'sAnythingWrongWithThat)

It did seem over the top, which is why I suspect that there will be more to it.
If it had been girl/guy or guy/guy I would've thought the same thing...

It was forcing immediate familliarity with the girlfriend.

Yeah, I agree the kissing felt forced regardless of gender. I immediately got the feeling they were trying to be shocking and I don't think that's really shocking anymore.

Bird flu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahaha!!!!! That's gotta be it!!!!

That is the funniest theory I have ever heard. I hope this turns out to be true. Bird flu causes sudden loss of consciousness and visions of the future...

I don't know, but she reminds me a bit of Nancy Pelosi, with her mannerisms.

I hope we see more of her.
Actually, she's Vice President now, isn't she... so we probably will.

hmm... She didn't seem to have much in common with Pelosi at all other than she is a female senator.

ok, so i have 2 - 4 cents to add.

i am still waiting for that feeling with this show, that "i want to see more!" and...its not happening at all.

i am not annoyed about the lesbian thing, I totally agree with JfromtheD. you hit it right on, friendly's story had no purpose where as here it totally does.

*steps on soap box* ramming the lesbian thing down your throat??? whoever said that pshhh. who are you that we all need to pretend like real people in the real world are not lesbians dealing with these issues? your personal belief system of (discomfort and hatred) is not enough to punish 10% of the population by never representing them in prime time. ridiculous.if the whole world blacks out, you better believe gays and lesbians will too and will experience interesting side effects in their lives. seriously* steps off soap box. i live in san francisco after all. will defend to the death. will rip apart discrim bs on sight. and no, not a lesbian.

wasn't anyone annoyed by this BS blown up car?? how did they get out of it? i hate that kind of crap. the unbelievable stuff our "heroes" go through and yet never ever die. they NEED to kill an important character and soon. or boring...

i am still tired of the lost imitation stuff.

DM just did an interview and said that FF is not even close in mythology to lost, but not simplistic either.

idk, i am not sold. but, there is no mystery show around after...snif, snif, lost is gone. have higher hopes for V. super excited to see it.

about the bomb scene: I totally agree! Pure action movie cheesiness. I also don't understand how they avoided an approaching bazooka missile and I did not understand the ensuing gun fight at all. Why didn't the bad guys just fire another bazooka shot to finish them off? And then the karaoke music as they were fighting just didn't work for me. I'm not sure what effect they were going for but I thought it just made the scene comical and hilarious.

And if the lesbian lady doesn't die then they will have essentially pulled off two action movie cliches in one scene:

Outrun explosion/bullet/missile
Do not die from gun shot to the stomach


If they got a 'defuse a bomb by cutting the red wire/blue wire' scene in there they would have pulled off the action movie cliche trifecta.

The similarities to Lost that I see are more in style than in the plot. The ending credits music is similar, the introduction that shows us what happened in the previous episodes is similar in style, and the Flashforward logo in the beginning is similar to when the show the spinning LOST sign. The entire idea of flashforwards is similar to Lost but other than that the plot and characters seem completely different.

um, I'll try to stay clear of the whole lesbian kissing debate happening here but I'll say this is slightly different than what happened on Lost because Lost had a gay man and let's be honest, male homosexuality is a lot more controversial than female homosexuality. Women kissing other women on regular TV doesn't seem shocking anymore, actually it seems routine and almost hackneyed at times. And if they are going for shock value, why not go all the way and see full nude sex scenes? Since they are not going to actually do anything shocking on regular TV, then personally I would rather see interesting characters developed rather than have them do things that are supposed to be shocking but are only shocking for "regualar TV standards" which means grandma might twitch her toes around if she's still awake...

I completely forgot that we were watching the moments leading up to the crash.

Me too, which I think is bad. I think they failed to introduce us to that event and failed to make us anticipate the explanation.

[boutte]

ok, so i have 2 - 4 cents to add.

i am still waiting for that feeling with this show, that "i want to see more!" and...its not happening at all.

i am not annoyed about the lesbian thing, I totally agree with JfromtheD. you hit it right on, friendly's story had no purpose where as here it totally does.

*steps on soap box* ramming the lesbian thing down your throat??? whoever said that pshhh. who are you that we all need to pretend like real people in the real world are not lesbians dealing with these issues? your personal belief system of (discomfort and hatred) is not enough to punish 10% of the population by never representing them in prime time. ridiculous.if the whole world blacks out, you better believe gays and lesbians will too and will experience interesting side effects in their lives. seriously* steps off soap box. i live in san francisco after all. will defend to the death. will rip apart discrim bs on sight. and no, not a lesbian.

wasn't anyone annoyed by this BS blown up car?? how did they get out of it? i hate that kind of crap. the unbelievable stuff our "heroes" go through and yet never ever die. they NEED to kill an important character and soon. or boring...

i am still tired of the lost imitation stuff.

DM just did an interview and said that FF is not even close in mythology to lost, but not simplistic either.

idk, i am not sold. but, there is no mystery show around after...snif, snif, lost is gone. have higher hopes for V. super excited to see it.

I'm not discriminating against anyone. And I'm not saying that the networks should pretend that homosexuality doesn't exist. I do think that it's a subject that needs to be dealt a little more discreetly on prime time where young children are apt to be watching and where a large portion, and probably the majority of the audience, will find it's graphic depiction objectionable. And yes we the choice to tune out. That's exactly what a lot of people on this board and elsewhere that I've talked to have said they were getting ready to do.

To tell you the truth I'm uncomfortable with what I think is over the top depictions of sexuality in prime time network television period. What's worse is the obsession with murder and violence but that's a subject for another thread. (CSI is just plain sick.)

I'm from N.O. which is probably the 2nd gayest city in the country. I used to be a videographer for a couple of Gay organizations where I recorded many of their gatherings. They knew my opinion on homosexuality and accepted and respected my view point just as I gave them the respect that they deserve as human beings try to deal the world as best they could.

[Dead but Here]

The couple with separate beds thing wasn't just tv. My great grandparents slept in twin beds.

[LostShark4970]

Its like anything. You see it enough, it starts to be accepted as normal.. Some 50-60 yrs ago you wouldnt see a husband and wife in the same bed on TV, let alone a gay couple kissing.

I forgot what show it was but the husband and wife had their own beds they slept in. Maybe I Love Lucy. I dont remember I just remember hearing about that.

yes, i love lucy, they had seperate beds, as did alot of shows in that time period. however, acceptances have changed, and t.v. has "grown up". that being said, i think a scene where a girl kisses another girl (or even 2 men) is not a horrible scen if done with class. but to continiously show it, it does get old. one time was enough to get the point she was not with men. i think we got the first clue from the german dude they went to visit. her reaction gave it away to me. but the repeted scenes did not damage my view of the show. i still really like it.

good points. originality. i know alot of people say it is a lost ripoff, but i don't see that. there are a few similarites in cast, writers and a few ideas, but a totally difrent show. to me it has as many elements of 24 as it does lost.

the cast. while "mark" has moments i shout "act" at the screen, for the most part the cast is very good.

the pace. i think they are giving just enough each week to keep it flowing.

and finally.... THE KANGAROO...:D

[chester]

I'm sick of having what I can see on tv determined by what other people think I aught to be able to see because of what they think children should be allowed to see. Or because of their own prejudices. If there's something you don't like about a show, don't watch it, and/or don't let your kids watch it.

And if it's okay for 'straight' relationship interactions to be openly shown on tv, then, in a tolerant society, it should be equally okay to show 'gay' relationship interactions.

Why is it that people killing other people, seems to be something of little concern, compared to someone being intimate with someone else of the same sex?

[lynnhart]

I'm sick of having what I can see on tv determined by what other people think I aught to be able to see because of what they think children should be allowed to see. Or because of their own prejudices. If there's something you don't like about a show, don't watch it, and/or don't let your kids watch it.

And if it's okay for 'straight' relationship interactions to be openly shown on tv, then, in a tolerant society, it should be equally okay to show 'gay' relationship interactions.

Why is it that people killing other people, seems to be something of little concern, compared to someone being intimate with someone else of the same sex?

Apparently people trying to censor what we see on TV is just the beginning. I went grocery shopping this week, and at the check out stand was puzzled to see black cardboard in front of each of the magazines on display. I asked the checker and she said a parent had complained that the magazines were inappropriate for her child to see. So management made the decision to hide the covers. Now, this was a grocery store. :confused: Not talking about Penthouse being displayed. These were gossip magazines - In Touch, US, People, etc. Good Grief.

[boutte]

I'm sick of having what I can see on tv determined by what other people think I aught to be able to see because of what they think children should be allowed to see. Or because of their own prejudices. If there's something you don't like about a show, don't watch it, and/or don't let your kids watch it.

And if it's okay for 'straight' relationship interactions to be openly shown on tv, then, in a tolerant society, it should be equally okay to show 'gay' relationship interactions.

Why is it that people killing other people, seems to be something of little concern, compared to someone being intimate with someone else of the same sex?

Is anything inappropriate on television? How about a couple of porn clips sandwiched between episodes of Sponge Bob on Saturday morning? If you think that would be ok then of course that's your opinion and you have the right to believe what you like. Luckily most people wouldn't be ok with that and because the majority of us would object strongly that will never happen. If you're not ok with porn on Sat mornings then you agree that there have to boundaries. It's matter of deciding what those boundaries are.

If ABC announced tomorrow that they were going to go with a lineup aimed at the gay audience and that if you tune in don't be surprised that you're going to be bombarded with lots of gay sex and romance then no one could complain because they would know exactly what to expect.

I can't help but believe that if a major theme of Lost this season is to promote racial hatred as perfectly acceptable and normal you'd be sure to let People know that you didn't like and felt that it had no place on a prime time television show. And of course you'd stop watching but what if it started popping up on other shows that you watch on regular basis? I don't know you that well but I'm pretty sure you would feel just fine if enough people protested to have this objectionable trend halted. Of course there would be a sector of the audience who feel that there views were being unfairly censored.

It's easy to accuse people of prejudice when they don't agree with your view on a subject but I think you should be a little more careful how you throw that word around. Just to make myself clear I'll repeat my view on the the homosexuality issue. I believe that no one should be discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. I don't dislike gay people and don't believe they are any less moral than the rest of us. But I don't think it's normal. Of course that's just my opinion and what people do with their sex lives is none of my business.

[boutte]

Apparently people trying to censor what we see on TV is just the beginning. I went grocery shopping this week, and at the check out stand was puzzled to see black cardboard in front of each of the magazines on display. I asked the checker and she said a parent had complained that the magazines were inappropriate for her child to see. So management made the decision to hide the covers. Now, this was a grocery store. :confused: Not talking about Penthouse being displayed. These were gossip magazines - In Touch, US, People, etc. Good Grief.

The grocery stored voluntarily decided to do that. Apparently some one in management felt that the customer had a valid point. I think it's kind of silly but I guess they felt it's what their customer base would want.

[chester]

Why cant the boundaries be determined by what people choose to watch? Obviously (or hopefully) parents would choose not to let children watch television if there are porn scenes being shown, and so no-one would be watching sponge-bob square pants on Saturday morning if this was the case. Why not have parents set the boundaries of what their children can watch?

My use of the word prejudice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice) was directed at no-one inparticular except for those people in general who have them and would like to impose them on me through the censorship of material that does not agree with their beliefs.

I also feel unconfortable when watching same sex (male) intimacy. But I see that as my problem. I am prejudiced myself. Maybe intermittent exposure to that which makes me unconfortable will allow me to become more tolerant?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

What is comes down to, I think, is questioning long established norms in various societies.
There is a difference between censorship because of some party or parties deciding for themselves what is acceptable or not - and just plain deciding what is within the bounderies of a society's already established norms.
It would be ludicrous to say anything is black or white.
What's wrong with good common sense, taking into consideration who is most likely to be adversely affected by something in question?
Life isn't a free-for-all, obviously, for the world would soon degenerate into a subhuman existance.
Just use common sense, I say.

[chester]

What is comes down to, I think, is questioning long established norms in various societies.
There is a difference between censorship because of some party or parties deciding for themselves what is acceptable or not - and just plain deciding what is within the bounderies of a society's already established norms.
It would be ludicrous to say anything is black or white.
What's wrong with good common sense, taking into consideration who is most likely to be adversely affected by something in question?
Life isn't a free-for-all, obviously, for the world would soon degenerate into a subhuman existance.
Just use common sense, I say.

I agree completely. Let common sense decide.

[boutte]

Why cant the boundaries be determined by what people choose to watch? Obviously (or hopefully) parents would choose not to let children watch television if there are porn scenes being shown, and so no-one would be watching sponge-bob square pants on Saturday morning if this was the case. Why not have parents set the boundaries of what their children can watch?

My use of the word prejudice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice) was directed at no-one inparticular except for those people in general who have them and would like to impose them on me through the censorship of material that does not agree with their beliefs.

I also feel unconfortable when watching same sex (male) intimacy. But I see that as my problem. I am prejudiced myself. Maybe intermittent exposure to that which makes me unconfortable will allow me to become more tolerant?
We all have prejudices, it's inescapable.

But then the children would be deprived of Sponge Bob. The problem comes from not knowing that the porn clips are going to be shown so the by the time some one does something about the kids being exposed to it it's too late. If they announced a gay porn channel on cable I'd have no problem with it. I'd be disgusted though.

[tpbaxter]

haha, so many interesting debates pop up on this forum...

Why is it that people killing other people, seems to be something of little concern, compared to someone being intimate with someone else of the same sex?

I think this is a keen observation.

They have ratings systems on American TV. My opinion is that I think that's enough. As long as people know what they're in for they should be able to make up their own mind. I say Flashforward and Lost are fair game. That's my opinion.

[lynnhart]

The grocery stored voluntarily decided to do that. Apparently some one in management felt that the customer had a valid point. I think it's kind of silly but I guess they felt it's what their customer base would want.

It just seems so extreme. I do understand wanting to protect your children, but at what cost? I may have missed a Jon & Kate magazine cover LOL.

[wiley]

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I think this says it all.
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[JfromtheD]

nice. :rolleyes:

:D

That reminds me of those old 'joke book titles' I heard in middle school.

Sliding Down The Rope: By Dick Burns
Standing Behind The Bleachers: By Seymour Butts