WHH -vs- TCC in FlashForward

[3d-aholic]

When it comes to WHH(WWHWH) and TCC(WWHCC)....FlashForward is really the show where those two concepts are up in the air....

However, I don't see any threads or interest in talking about it....the show just is not sparking enough interest I don't think.

What do you think?

The future has been shown. Which is Truth?

Whatever Will Happen Will Happen (WWHWH) or
Whatever Will Happen Can Change (WWHCC)

I'd make it a poll but I don't know how.

[JfromtheD]

However, I don't see any threads or interest in talking about it....the show just is not sparking enough interest I don't think.

I think we're creatures of habit, here...
Not many members stray this far down the forum.

I posted some really good interviews and appearances (TPTB, Emerson, etc...) in the Announcement forum, that I bet hardly anyone has seen... but that's life.
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Flash Forward:

It's actually both, kind of...
I think what we are watching right now is the past, not the present. Like Desmond/Constant; we see him as looking back, but he was in 1996 looking forward. The Flash forwards happened in the past of the characters... they have already been thru it. It's us (and their past) who are seeing it for the first time.

The deeper drama of the show could be that things can change, but power of suggestion will tragically (or not) make their 'futures' come true.

For us (and their past selves) April 29th will come and pass, and the characters will be thinking back about what happened when they saw the FF. They will realize that they helped create it, willingly or not.

This will be their current time as of November 2009 (our time.)
Long story, short... we are in the past, and they are in the present.

When it's said and done, the shock of flashforwards will be replaced by the characters trying to change things back to how they should have been. Mark will have to quit drinking again, Penny will have to reconcile with Mark for sleepinhg around, etc...

So yes, the future can change.
But the Flashes were actually the past, so they technically don't, in May 2010.

[Dead but Here]

I keep thinking the asian guy who thinks he didn't see anything because he's dead, even though the gf saw them getting married is going to keep trying to find a way to get himself killed. Not sure if it will work or not. I think he didn't see anything because he was standing on the beach at the beginning of his wedding with his eyes closed.

[JfromtheD]

I think he didn't see anything because he was standing on the beach at the beginning of his wedding with his eyes closed.

See?!? Now that's a good twist! :cool:

I really like that!

[3d-aholic]

Ok, well if its the past...then its WHH....the way your describing it.

So, you don't think that the main guy will not take a drink and you don't think that Penny will end up cheating?

What about the guy who say his daughter alive? That seems like that future is messed up somehow.

[JfromtheD]

I'd say that Mark will drink, and his wife will cheat.
But it will be because they think they have no choice.

But then later, they will realize that they did have a choice, and reconcile, etc...

And my guess is that Aarons daughter is alive.

[boutte]

I'd say that Mark will drink, and his wife will cheat.
But it will be because they think they have no choice.

But then later, they will realize that they did have a choice, and reconcile, etc...

And my guess is that Aarons daughter is alive.

mark knows better now.

[notsolost42]

I think tonights episode just proved that TCC...things can change. Since Al (? name..jumper) committed suicide that made a "fork in the road" and things are now different since in his FF he was alive. Well, not anymore since he was removed from the scene in a body bag.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

NotSo, where the heck have you been?

It didn't really say that girl actually died. I'll bet she stands up from the table and has a prosthesis on her rt leg.

The suggestion of covering the window to deter the bird is def reminescent of Des/Charlie. The bird would just fly into a diff window, eh?

[notsolost42]

NotSo, where the heck have you been?

It didn't really say that girl actually died. I'll bet she stands up from the table and has a prosthesis on her rt leg.

The suggestion of covering the window to deter the bird is def reminescent of Des/Charlie. The bird would just fly into a diff window, eh?

The father had her funeral already. Her body parts were shipped home. His FF showed her still alive somewhere. That is/was becoming a driving force in his life. When the cop committed suicide he changed the future in his little "circle" due to the ripples caused by his own change. Whatever he would have done, touched, etc., over the next six months will not now happen. Suddenly, the daughter is sitting in her fathers house? Huh? I bet he wakes up from dreaming that next week but never the less, things have now changed even if it is ever so little.

The bird hitting the window reminded me more of Walt than anyone else. He seems to draw them to his "magnetic" personality. lol

I've just been real busy. Creating, testing and posting my recipes. Now, to add to that dad is in the hospital again and my water heater just zonked out on me today! Life is never dull, is it? lol. I see cold showers in my FF.

[boutte]

They concluded she was dead because her DNA was found in the remains of the destroyed vehicle. When the guy goes back to look for her it shows her body laying on the ground with a severed leg. That leg is where the the DNA came from. The guys who blew up the Hummer must have saved her and then released her after she healed, possibly after being recruited into their group.

The suicidal FBI agent proves that the occurrences in the flash forwards can change.

[notsolost42]

They concluded she was dead because her DNA was found in the remains of the destroyed vehicle. When the guy goes back to look for her it shows her body laying on the ground with a severed leg. That leg is where the the DNA came from. The guys who blew up the Hummer must have saved her and then released her after she healed, possibly after being recruited into their group.

The suicidal FBI agent proves that the occurrences in the flash forwards can change.

Exactly! TCC = Things Can Change. His death was a variable.

[boutte]

And were the guys who RPGed the Hummer. I think they're going to play an important role in the story eventually.

[wiley]

I keep thinking the asian guy who thinks he didn't see anything because he's dead, even though the gf saw them getting married is going to keep trying to find a way to get himself killed. Not sure if it will work or not. I think he didn't see anything because he was standing on the beach at the beginning of his wedding with his eyes closed.

The Asian guy (Demetri) didn't have a flashforward because he didn't blackout.
He may have been dazed for a moment after the car crash but he was up and around long before Mark or anybody else woke up, just like the guy at the stadium.
I think He and some others who did not experience a flashforward may be immune or something to the effects that caused everyone else to flash.
Maybe even targeted as part of the experiment.

[losttime]

They concluded she was dead because her DNA was found in the remains of the destroyed vehicle. When the guy goes back to look for her it shows her body laying on the ground with a severed leg. That leg is where the the DNA came from. The guys who blew up the Hummer must have saved her and then released her after she healed, possibly after being recruited into their group.

The suicidal FBI agent proves that the occurrences in the flash forwards can change.

If it was as simple as the agent dying and proving that TCC that easy than I would say this show is pretty much finished.

This show is about FF. Giving an explanation so soon would be pretty much summizing the show.

The FF's people experienced are changeable if they want them to be by not being where they saw themselves or killing themselves, as that agent apparently did.

I think its interesting that when Dimitris fiance/gf whatever says she sees them getting married but it never actually shows her looking at him where we see him in the vision itself.. its always her in the vision.

Could it be that she just thinks she is marrying Dimitri but its not really him? Or maybe she isnt getting married at all.

What does she do for a living again, I dont recall?

[Adzjwarner]

Could it be that she just thinks she is marrying Dimitri but its not really him? Or maybe she isnt getting married at all.

What does she do for a living again, I dont recall?


Maybe as he got killed the month before their wedding, it was only fitting to hold his funeral on the beach on the day they were going to get married?

Also, she's a Lawyer

[chester]

If it was as simple as the agent dying and proving that TCC that easy than I would say this show is pretty much finished.

This show is about FF. Giving an explanation so soon would be pretty much summizing the show.

The FF's people experienced are changeable if they want them to be by not being where they saw themselves or killing themselves, as that agent apparently did.

I think its interesting that when Dimitris fiance/gf whatever says she sees them getting married but it never actually shows her looking at him where we see him in the vision itself.. its always her in the vision.

Could it be that she just thinks she is marrying Dimitri but its not really him? Or maybe she isnt getting married at all.

What does she do for a living again, I dont recall?

I disagree. I don't why they kept up with the 'can't avoid the FF' thing for so long. It just made it boring to think we were just going to watch it all unfold predictably. *yawn* Makes me sleepy just thinking about it.

But, hooray!! Now it just go interesting...

[losttime]

I disagree. I don't why they kept up with the 'can't avoid the FF' thing for so long. It just made it boring to think we were just going to watch it all unfold predictably. *yawn* Makes me sleepy just thinking about it.

But, hooray!! Now it just go interesting...


Well look at Lost. It has not been proven as a fact on the show that TCC or WHH.

That hasbt been answered yet and its been 5 complete seasons. The fact that they have already made the implication that "Yeah you can change your future that you saw" pretty much is given us an answer.

Also if it is true that they are able to change their future really has no bearing on what is going on with Lost.

Maybe theiir will be a sort of "course correction" and the kids end up being killed anyway and it was related to his suicide for some unknown reason as of yet.

Its a long shot but its just a guess.

I still think that if they toyed with the concept of WHH vs TCC would be more of a purpose of watcing it than thinking ok they can change it by "just killing themself or if they are supposed to be in NY on April 29 just be in Ca or somewhere else instead."

[JfromtheD]

When Raynaud showed up, put the gun at his head, and Mark tackled him...
the gun actually went off.

I wasn't expecting that...

Was it his time, or did Mark stop his death?

[3d-aholic]

Was it his time, or did Mark stop his death?
Yeh, that was a tease....we don't know.

The issue though is its about probability...and its doubtful that one death of that one police office is going to have much effect on anything. 99.999999% of everything is still going to happen as always. And this is the subtle difference between WHH and TCC. Eventhough TCC...its really only changing for that police office, and the person he was going to kill...everything else is WHH still. This to me is a lesson transferable to Lost....and its how I see Lost's time travel.

[Dead but Here]

Yeah.... who's in my new cult... WHCC.

Simon and the bracelet at the end... Annabelle? Bet that has something to do with the satisfaction he gets from strangling that guy.

I wonder if whatever caused Al to kill Celia still happens, except it's another FBI agent there because she's in the wrong place at the wrong time. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

[Archangel-Player]

When it comes to WHH(WWHWH) and TCC(WWHCC)....FlashForward is really the show where those two concepts are up in the air....

However, I don't see any threads or interest in talking about it....the show just is not sparking enough interest I don't think.

What do you think?

The future has been shown. Which is Truth?

Whatever Will Happen Will Happen (WWHWH) or
Whatever Will Happen Can Change (WWHCC)

I'd make it a poll but I don't know how.


Id say For some WWHWH and then there are some WWHCC. My theiory is that for thoese who have a WWHCC future can also alter a WWHWH future. But a WWHWH can not change their future for their own selves. I also have a theiory, Im thinking that the reason some did not see a FF is that their future is not set in stone. They can make it what ever they want to, So can other people.