why charlie is not dead

[addictedtopainmeds]

there is no body. everyone else who has died had a body to go along with the death. charlie is the only one who hasn't followed this rule. plus, how may other times have we 'seen' him 'die'?

[Devi]

He is so dead dude.

[addictedtopainmeds]

where's the proof? there are too many other factors involved with his 'death'. when anyone else dies on the show, it's cut and dry

[agmic]

whos to say that he didn't swim out the porthole ( window) that patchy blew up ????

[bunnydixon]

i think his physical being has ceased to live for sure but charlie is not gone.....

[Capn_Matt]

Agreed, Bunnydixon.

Which reminds me...I wonder if the whispers will include Charlie soon? We've already seen Hurley encounter full whisper conversations (see the appropriate threads from the other night) and it'd make sense that Charlie would want to attempt to contact him, given that they became such good mates on the island.

[justjoe]

Christian died and he's back (sort of). Charlie's dead. The whispers have been going on since ep1 in season 1. They are not the whispers of those that have died on the island. I believe there are people that are able to watch the island from afar and these are their thoughts we are hearing.

[bunnydixon]

i like that idea JJ - they are watching from afar.

[Capn_Matt]

I'm aware they've been going on since then, I wasn't suggesting they were solely dead folk's voices, just throwing ideas out there same as everyone else.

On another note...Hurley saw Charlie during the flash forward...are we to assume he's crazy and hallucinating? (I don't think he is, rhetorical question really). If we are to assume that, then where does that leave the fact that Jack saw Christian? Also, in Via Domus the main character sees a figure from his past quite a few times throughout the game... can't be that many crazies kicking about...

[BrothaDezzy]

The proof is in the looking glass station. He is def dead. We seen the proof in the last episode of season 3 when he was floating in that water filled room with his eyes closed. Thats not enough proof for you. Or maybe the fact that in the first episode of season 4 he tells Hurley hes dead.

[addictedtopainmeds]

although all excellent ideas, there still remains the fact that there is no body. here's a thought, charlie is working for someone. after all, another person at the mental ward did tell hurley someone was watching him. how the heck did someone else see hurley's vision, and charlie's ring was gone. how would hurley know this?

[bunnydixon]

well, when people see ghosts often many can see the apparition, not just one person.

[BrothaDezzy]

although all excellent ideas, there still remains the fact that there is no body. here's a thought, charlie is working for someone. after all, another person at the mental ward did tell hurley someone was watching him. how the heck did someone else see hurley's vision, and charlie's ring was gone. how would hurley know this?

There is a body and its floating around in the looking glass. We all seen him die. He could not fit threw the post hole. We seen him do the little shake before you die. Just because they didnt bury him doesnt mean he is not dead.

[DriveShaft]

I have written about this before but I will tell you that CHARLIE DID DIE.

However this does not mean that he will not be back.

[addictedtopainmeds]

am i the only person who thinks he is still breathing?

[agmic]

I believe that Charlie is still alive, somewhere, though. Maybe when the looking glass blew up. he got amnesia somehow..... and does know who he is....

[addictedtopainmeds]

i am thinking that maybe claire stays behind because she sees charlie or believes he is alive for some reason. she lets kate, no, jack, take her son back to the real world with every intention of 'catching up' later. somehow aaron ends up with kate and whatever the reason may be, its why jack doesn't want to see him. claire wants to find charlie because she wants to tell him she loves him. or even better, this thought just popped in, maybe claire jumps from the chopper herself because she thinks she sees charlie on the ground after they take off

[heavensprincess]

i am thinking that maybe claire stays behind because she sees charlie or believes he is alive for some reason. she lets kate, no, jack, take her son back to the real world with every intention of 'catching up' later. somehow aaron ends up with kate and whatever the reason may be, its why jack doesn't want to see him. claire wants to find charlie because she wants to tell him she loves him. or even better, this thought just popped in, maybe claire jumps from the chopper herself because she thinks she sees charlie on the ground after they take off

I believe Charlie is alive but there is no way a mother is going to leave behind her child just because she wants to tell some guy she loves him. I think Claire and Aaron get on the helicopter maybe even the boat but something happens to Claire who knows what but that is how Kate ends up with Aaron.

[addictedtopainmeds]

I believe Charlie is alive but there is no way a mother is going to leave behind her child just because she wants to tell some guy she loves him. I think Claire and Aaron get on the helicopter maybe even the boat but something happens to Claire who knows what but that is how Kate ends up with Aaron.

you're right. just spewing out random thoughts here....

[justjoe]

Let's not forget that Claire is with the group that does not want to get off of the island. So in order for Aaron to come home with Kate she would either have had to steal him or Claire is dead before they get rescued. Or Claire would have to change her mind and want to come home. I vote for the Claire is dead angle.

[addictedtopainmeds]

Let's not forget that Claire is with the group that does not want to get off of the island. So in order for Aaron to come home with Kate she would either have had to steal him or Claire is dead before they get rescued. Or Claire would have to change her mind and want to come home. I vote for the Claire is dead angle.

will there be anyone left on the island to rescue after the 06 get home????

[Rain13]

Everyone seems to be posting all kinds of theories about people not really being dead or about the survivors having died in the plane crash, yet the creators have specifically said in interviews that 1. the survivors of the plane crash are not dead and 2. if you die on the show, you're dead. Do people think the creators or lying or do they just not know about this?

[bunnydixon]

the creators have said that but look at mikhail!

[DriveShaft]

am i the only person who thinks he is still breathing?

Yes.

Although trust me I am probably the biggest supporter of bringing Charlie back into the scene.

My way is just a little...different.

Like I said, he DID die, but i think weird time zone events happen that make it possible to save him.

Here is the real fact of the matter. The actor that plays charlie is already back in Australia and is currently in the matter of starring in two major and demanding movies (One being the new XMAN movie made by Hugh Jackman)

I think he will be back for season 5 (unless claire dies this season) because he has promoted for Lost since the death but we are not going to see much of him this season.

Read the two major posts i have included in this thread and let me know if you have a change in thinking.

http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1012&highlight=charlie+back

[Turnip Queen]

Charlie's dead - he made sure to die because he didn't want to disrupt the vision of Claire and Aaron getting rescued. But he's there in spirit. What doesn't add up is how Hurley saw him, and had a witness to seeing him too.

[rip-charlie]

I'm one wishing for Charlie to be back that is for sure. But I think he did die just because he wanted to make sure Claire was safe. I know he could have swam into the Port hole someone said no he won't have fit.

[rip-charlie]

I'm watching
"every cowboy has daddy issuse" and charlie died in it and should have stayed died so i guess who ever it was that siad if they died on the show that is it they are dead was wrong they have brung charlie back from being dead. just an FYI so there is nothing wrong with us Charlie fans hoping he might be back.

[addictedtopainmeds]

I'm watching
"every cowboy has daddy issuse" and charlie died in it and should have stayed died so i guess who ever it was that siad if they died on the show that is it they are dead was wrong they have brung charlie back from being dead. just an FYI so there is nothing wrong with us Charlie fans hoping he might be back.

it's simple. no body, no death. they left it open either because they may bring him back depending on viewers reactions, or it's already planned to happen. remember, he did say to hurley that he was dead, but he was also there. the only rational explanation for this statement would be that everyone thinks he's dead, but in reality he is not...oh, and what other dead person from the show had as much interaction with a living one like the conversation between the hurly and charlie? plus, not all who die stay dead. who is that pirate dude who shot the girls in the looking glass? how many times has he died? at least 3 times that i can think of off the top of my head

[agmic]

ummm, Charlie is alive,,,,,
:)reason, he has the one ring to rule them all....:)

[DriveShaft]

ummm, Charlie is alive,,,,,
:)reason, he has the one ring to rule them all....:)

hahaha now aaron has the ring and must take it to the top of the island and destroy it.

[StayOnTheIsland4Life]

there is no body. everyone else who has died had a body to go along with the death. charlie is the only one who hasn't followed this rule. plus, how may other times have we 'seen' him 'die'?

Addiction, I love you, everything you say is right on, Charlie is not guarenteed dead, for all we know, he could have swim through a tunnel in the underwater station and been captured by the others. Also, on the preview for the next lost (3/13) it is mentioned that an unexpected person pays a visit in the next episode and the only three people that I can think of would be either Charlie or Micheal or Walt. Most likely Charlie because he made a sacrifice for the entire group of losties where Micheal only made a sacrifice for his son. Walt has already appeared in some peoples visions. Therefore in Island Karma terms, he is more likely to appear in the next episode. IMHO

[justjoe]

Charlie is dead. Michael appears in this weeks episode. BTW Boone came back to visit Shannon.

[addictedtopainmeds]

Addiction, I love you, everything you say is right on, Charlie is not guarenteed dead, for all we know, he could have swim through a tunnel in the underwater station and been captured by the others. Also, on the preview for the next lost (3/13) it is mentioned that an unexpected person pays a visit in the next episode and the only three people that I can think of would be either Charlie or Micheal or Walt. Most likely Charlie because he made a sacrifice for the entire group of losties where Micheal only made a sacrifice for his son. Walt has already appeared in some peoples visions. Therefore in Island Karma terms, he is more likely to appear in the next episode. IMHO

thank you for the vote! charlie lives!!!

[addictedtopainmeds]

Charlie is dead. Michael appears in this weeks episode. BTW Boone came back to visit Shannon.

"Mumbler"!~ Johnny Depp

[akheirax]

There is a body and its floating around in the looking glass. We all seen him die. He could not fit threw the post hole. We seen him do the little shake before you die. Just because they didnt bury him doesnt mean he is not dead.


IF this is the case Dezzy, remember when that guy with the patch? Locke pushed him thru the thingies(tall poles lol) and from our point of view he was dead, dead dead. Later on he appears and ends up blowing the looking glass.

I think Charlie is still around. Maybe he like Ben understands the Island now and is hiding from the losties. The losties dont know yet whats happening apart from Michael,Des and Sayid. He could be "the man on the boat". He is a good character in Lost.

[justjoe]

The man on the boat is Michael. Last we saw Charlie he was sinking into the depths of the water. He saved Claire (so he thought) and he resigned himself to the fact that he would die. Plus he is not listed as a cast member anytime in the near future.

[ortrules]

I had really hoped this thread had died...like Charlie did.

See what I did there?

[McMason]

I had really hoped this thread had died...like Charlie did.

See what I did there?

EXACTLY!!!!!!!

[mahalo_dude]

I had really hoped this thread had died...like Charlie did.

See what I did there?

I was hoping for an Artz kind of death for both the thread and Charlie...damn! By posting, I delay what I truly desire!

[addictedtopainmeds]

I had really hoped this thread had died...like Charlie did.

See what I did there?

i don't go around contaminating your threads. respect others please...

[ortrules]

i don't go around contaminating your threads. respect others please...

You're just upset because Charlie died.

[addictedtopainmeds]

You're just upset because Charlie died.

yeah, and....