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ahmaji90
12-04-2009, 12:42 AM
Ok. Im going to try and sum up everything I have to say about what I think is going on with Lost as best as I can. It's good to look back at all the episodes because it is easy to carried away with other secrets in Lost. We forget very easily..

So Lets begin with the Smoke Monster who im going to initial as S.M.

It seems that we know very little about the monster up until now however if you re-watch Lost you will find that we know quite a lot about S.M. The smoke monster chased and killed a number of survivors from oceanic flight 815 after they arrived at the island. The survivors run into the monster several times throughout season 1 and 2 but the most interesting meeting is when Mr.Echo is murdered. Mr.Echo sees his brother Yemi (who just happens to be dead) all around the island. Yemi approaches Mr.Echo after the hatch was destroyed and tells him it is time to confess the actions he committed prior to arriving on the Island. Mr.Echo sees his brother Yemi in the Jungle and tells "I am not sorry for what I have done. I did what i had to in order to survive. i did it for you." Yemi looks at Echo and tells him, "You speak to me as if I were your brother." Yemi walks into the jungle and Echo follows shouting who are you?! The smoke monster appears and kills Echo. Just before Echo dies he whispers to John Locke "Your next." This lead me to believe that S.M. can turn into people who have already died. The S.M. appeared as Jacks father Christian Shepard many times and also appeared as Boone when he visited Locke, Benjamin Linas' mother when he was a child, etc. In season 5, ben returns to the Island with "Locke" who arrived in a coffin..Ben tells Locke he needs to be judged and that is why he returned. Ben sees the S.M. and suddenly his dead daughter appears. She tells him not to kill Locke and he will live. He was judged and he lived. Echo was judged following his "confession" and was killed. Christian Shepard (Jacks dead father) appears before Michael in season 4 on the boat and tells him he is no longer needed. The C4 goes off and Michael dies. He was judged and forgiven for killing Anna Lucia and Libby however he still died. This leads me to believe that the S.M. is the judge and can become people who have already died. At the beginning of Season 5 finale we finally meet "Jacob" and a man who claims he wants to kill him. At the end of the episode a man posing as Locke leads Ben to the statue foot and has him kill Jacob. I believe this man is the S.M. He turned into Locke who was already dead, and judged Jacob for allowing people from the outside to the Island, or he just wanted him dead because they are rivals. That im not too sure of. The "good guys" Iyvanna and crew go to Jacobs cabin and claim someone else had been living there, so they burnt it to the ground. When Locke and ben went to the cabin in Season 3, Locke noticed ash around the house. ben asked John not to bring the flashlight because Jacob didnt like technology. When Locke turned the flashlight on the house began to shake. I believe it was because the S.M. was trapped inside the cabin and does not like technology. That is why the S.M. cannot pass the Sonar fences around the Dharma initiative Camp. Before Locke left, he heard a faint whisper, "Help me." I think Jacob trapped the S.M. spirit in the cabin to prevent him from killing him. That is why the man who wants to kill Jacob lives through dead people and the S.M.

Ok im just getting started.

Now we have Jacob, who we also know very little about. Sike! We know plenty about him. It is believed that the Island has "healing powers." I believe that jacob is the one who in fact has the healing power. He healed Rose 's cancer, Lockes legs and life when he fell out the building, Juliets sister, Jin's sperm sterile issue, Charlies addiction to heroine, he even healed Benjamin Linas when Kate took him to the others as a kid after Sayeed shot him. Now many believe that Jacob is vincent or lives through vincent or whatever. As crazy as that sounds, it is very possible. Vincent woke Jack up twice in the Jungle after the plane crashed. Jack was probably dead both times (who could survive a fall that large?). Vincent has come in handy many times and warned the survivors on multiple occasions. When Paolo and Niki were paralyzed and about to be buried, Vincent came and pulled the blanket off them, sort of signaling that they were not dead so dont bury them alive! The medusa spider may very well have been the S.M. judging Paolo and Niki for killing the poor old man for some diamonds. But do not think Jacob only appears through vincent. Kate escaped from the marshall when he swerved out of the way into a tree to avoid hitting a horse. Jacob helped her escape that night. Kate saw that same horse in the jungle. The polar bears! When the polar bear took echo to his cave, it may not have been to kill him. The polar bear might have been Jacob trying to protect Echo from the S.M. who killed him as soon as Locke saved him from the cave. Vincent also helped Walt emotionally after his mother died.

Now! We know jacob can travel off the Island because we saw him help Kate at the store, help Sawyer at the funeral, wake John up after his fall, grab Sayeed before his wife was ran over, etc. etc. etc.

That does not mean the S.M. cannot travel off the Islanf either. Charlie, Christian, Anna Lucia, and many other dead people have been seen off the Island.

notsolost42
12-04-2009, 12:48 AM
"I think Jacob trapped the S.M. spirit in the cabin to prevent him from killing him. That is why the man who wants to kill Jacob lives through dead people and the S.M."

Okay, wait a minute. If Jacob had smokie trapped in the cabin then how was it out in the jungle at the same time? You said yourself it was out there and killing lots of survivors. I am confused. Sorry.

LissaMarie
12-04-2009, 12:50 AM
Great post, Ahma! Happy you decided to jump into the mix. Welcome to the forum, friend. :)

ahmaji90
12-04-2009, 04:49 PM
Notsolost- "S.M. spirit" you said it yourself....maybe he controls the S.M. anyway it was just my theory we will have to wait and see

notsolost42
12-04-2009, 05:24 PM
Notsolost- "S.M. spirit" you said it yourself....maybe he controls the S.M. anyway it was just my theory we will have to wait and see

Hey, I'm not attacking you. Your post is very interesting. It's all good. I just wondered about that single point and asked you. And, btw, what do you mean by I said it myself? Now you are really confusing me.

ahmaji90
12-04-2009, 07:22 PM
I know you werent! lI was just tyring to point out how you said "S.M. spirit, im really bad at describing what I mean. I dont mean the S.M lives in the cabin,m but i guess the spirit of the guy who wants to kill jacob, so he lives through dead people and the S.M. Just theories...

2cansam
12-05-2009, 12:32 PM
So what dose the Smoke Monster gain from all this? Dose he gain Jacobs powers? Dose he gain his body? What dose he gain?

Unbridled Pageantry
12-05-2009, 10:46 PM
Love and affection. Not many people know it but the Man in Black has a tender side to him the few have seen.

ahmaji90
12-06-2009, 03:06 AM
Im not sure what you mean by what does he gain but we know that he wants to kill jacob and he achieves that at the end of season 5. It seems that he is competing with jacob for control of the island. Ben and whitmore, ben and locke, smokey and jacob, they all want to be the one 'responsible' for the well being of the island. I would like someone to tell me what the painting was in Jacobs cabin. thee is a painting that looks like a droopy dog. cant make it out

krakup
12-06-2009, 03:12 AM
Im not sure what you mean by what does he gain but we know that he wants to kill jacob and he achieves that at the end of season 5. It seems that he is competing with jacob for control of the island. Ben and whitmore, ben and locke, smokey and jacob, they all want to be the one 'responsible' for the well being of the island. I would like someone to tell me what the painting was in Jacobs cabin. thee is a painting that looks like a droopy dog. cant make it out

it is a greyhound

Jelena
12-06-2009, 05:09 AM
This is a very good post, because it sums up everything that we have been discussing for some time now, and puts it nice perspective. Excellent job, Ahmaji. It never occurred to me that perhaps Jack could've died in the crash, but I don't think that's true, no matter how interesting it may sound. The only one who probably did die was Locke when Anthony pushed him out the window. Not that such a fall is not survivable - miracles are known to happen, but maybe there's a connection between Locke having died that day and what happened in the Season 5 finale.

Also, I do not believe Jacob can change his form. Dogs are very perceptive and intuitive, which is precisely what Vincent is. There's really nothing to suggest otherwise.

I also believe that the polar bear taking Echo was precisely that - a polar bear. Do you remember all those human skeletons that were laying in the cave when Locke when to retrieve Echo?

All in all, I really enjoyed reading your post, as it's a very good summary.

burninglotus77
12-15-2009, 12:18 PM
This does seem like the most likely scenario, but then my big questions would be this...

Even though we have not been shown or really have a reason to believe that Claire is Dead, how do both her AND Christian appear in the Cabin at the same time to Locke (can't remember with season or episode it was, sorry)? :confused: If she is not Dead, then why does she appear in the Cabin at all? Perhaps I'm am just not remembering that scene correctly, but maybe someone can set me straight.

ahmaji90
12-21-2009, 10:54 PM
This is a very good post, because it sums up everything that we have been discussing for some time now, and puts it nice perspective. Excellent job, Ahmaji. It never occurred to me that perhaps Jack could've died in the crash, but I don't think that's true, no matter how interesting it may sound. The only one who probably did die was Locke when Anthony pushed him out the window. Not that such a fall is not survivable - miracles are known to happen, but maybe there's a connection between Locke having died that day and what happened in the Season 5 finale.

Also, I do not believe Jacob can change his form. Dogs are very perceptive and intuitive, which is precisely what Vincent is. There's really nothing to suggest otherwise.

I also believe that the polar bear taking Echo was precisely that - a polar bear. Do you remember all those human skeletons that were laying in the cave when Locke when to retrieve Echo?

All in all, I really enjoyed reading your post, as it's a very good summary.

Well when i dont really mean jacob is vincent or the polar bear but i was thinking maybe he worked through them you know+ sort of how the smoke monster worked thru those who have died like echos brother yemi or jacks dad christian.

DarkPhoenix-24
01-07-2010, 10:27 AM
ya i think the smoke monster is a seperate being from the guy who wants to kill jacob

orsonkidd
01-07-2010, 03:17 PM
we do not know that Smokie= Christain.

IMo MIB/Smokie isn't going to be the "Blanket" answer for every "vision" on the show.

Desi420
01-13-2010, 11:13 AM
This is a very good post, because it sums up everything that we have been discussing for some time now, and puts it nice perspective. Excellent job, Ahmaji. It never occurred to me that perhaps Jack could've died in the crash, but I don't think that's true, no matter how interesting it may sound. The only one who probably did die was Locke when Anthony pushed him out the window. Not that such a fall is not survivable - miracles are known to happen, but maybe there's a connection between Locke having died that day and what happened in the Season 5 finale.

Also, I do not believe Jacob can change his form. Dogs are very perceptive and intuitive, which is precisely what Vincent is. There's really nothing to suggest otherwise.

I also believe that the polar bear taking Echo was precisely that - a polar bear. Do you remember all those human skeletons that were laying in the cave when Locke when to retrieve Echo?

All in all, I really enjoyed reading your post, as it's a very good summary.
I like the idea that Jack died from the fall out of the plane. The series begins with his eyes pop open and a gasp of air, just as Locke does in season 5 finale after Cooper pushed him out the window. There is something that doesn't sit right with me about Jack being the only one that doesn't remember the crash.


And as far as Vincent is concerned, there is more to him then just a mere Dog. How do you account for all the creepy music everytime he peeks out of the Jungle and watches the survivers.

But that's Just my opinion

LincolnEcho06
01-13-2010, 11:58 AM
I would believe a plane crash survival as opposed to a secret moving island that cures all diseases if it wants while housing some immortal beings fascinated with ancient Egyptian culture and occasionally traveling through time due to a guy having control issues.

My stupid, uneducated theory is that it is ALL Kate's fault; everything that has transpired is essentially Kate's fault. This thread wanted me to share my theory, so there it is.

- It might all be rooted in saving Benjamin Linus during the 70s.
- She provoked the 1st trek to find the black box or a receiver in the plane; thus leading to many problems ahead.
- She didn't want to live in the caves, which may have helped the undecided move in.
- She couldn't pick Jack or Sawyer; she's a player (but nobody cares because she is a girl).
- She had a chance to help Jack and Sawyer in her breakfast beach meeting with Ben (first introduced as Henry Gale).
- Kate got in Juliet's way in one of the more famous fights on LOST when Julliet was trying to help. CAT FIGHT! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ8zFF9LdcE)
- Kate was jealous over Juliet's infactuation with Jack and then later dumps or divorces him off the island, thus throwing Jack into a bad habit of oxycodene and alcoholism.

[this is a small list, I could work on it more, but it isn't one of my top priorities]

Dzbabykel
01-13-2010, 02:27 PM
I would believe a plane crash survival as opposed to a secret moving island that cures all diseases if it wants while housing some immortal beings fascinated with ancient Egyptian culture and occasionally traveling through time due to a guy having control issues.

My stupid, uneducated theory is that it is ALL Kate's fault; everything that has transpired is essentially Kate's fault. This thread wanted me to share my theory, so there it is.

- It might all be rooted in saving Benjamin Linus during the 70s.
- She provoked the 1st trek to find the black box or a receiver in the plane; thus leading to many problems ahead.
- She didn't want to live in the caves, which may have helped the undecided move in.
- She couldn't pick Jack or Sawyer; she's a player (but nobody cares because she is a girl).
- She had a chance to help Jack and Sawyer in her breakfast beach meeting with Ben (first introduced as Henry Gale).
- Kate got in Juliet's way in one of the more famous fights on LOST when Julliet was trying to help. CAT FIGHT! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ8zFF9LdcE)
- Kate was jealous over Juliet's infactuation with Jack and then later dumps or divorces him off the island, thus throwing Jack into a bad habit of oxycodene and alcoholism.

[this is a small list, I could work on it more, but it isn't one of my top priorities]

Haha that's actually a great theory since it is soo true haha :p

Ladihawke
01-15-2010, 06:57 PM
you guys are all so insightful. I love reading all of your theories. My only questioon is, why would the writers make such a complicated program? How can it all tie together in this final season and have a really zinger ending without leaving most of us standing here saying "huh"?
It has been my understanding all along that the writers said that the players are not dead, and it is not a dream

Ladihawke
01-15-2010, 07:02 PM
so that leaves out a lot of theories concerning those subjects. The time travel theory is still very much still a consideration, because it could be that the fact that John can walk after the crash, because he arrived there before he was injured or something like that. I have watched every episode in every season and still don't have a clue!

Panda
01-25-2010, 10:44 AM
Love and affection. Not many people know it but the Man in Black has a tender side to him the few have seen.

Possible.
All we know about the MIB is that he said something like "Do you know how badly I want to kill you" to Jacob.
But he doesn't do it...he doesn't go for his desire to kill Jacob...not at that moment. He let the "desire" go. And walks away.
Jacob has other kinds of desires. He seem to feel the need to "invite" people to the Island...to make or force some kind of "progress".
At that moment on the beach...it seems that MIB accepts that Jacob goes for his desires. He accepts Jacob and his behavior at that point the way he is.
And maybe that is a tender part or a moment of tenderness of MIB. If he didn't have any tenderness at all, he could have taken Jacobs knife and kill Jacob at once.
But he didn't. :D