Location of the Fake 815 Wreck

[BomberDawg95]

Anyone else find it interesting that the boat Christianne I that finds the 815 wreck in a trench to the West of Indonesia. Now, the flight was from Sydney to LA. So, why, praytell would a fake-plane and set-up be placed here and not on the actual route from the two...

I'm thinking there's something significant there.

[justjoe]

Not positive about my geography but isn't Australia just South East of Indonesia?

[iblpredator]

yes it is. so the placement would be about right

[justjoe]

Wow! I was right about something.

[agmic]

I believe that I read somewhere that after the plane took off, some hour after that, it had some problems and was going to fly to Fija (sp) and that after being of course for 1000 miles. crashed.....

[FanFiltration]

http://www.airtahitinui-usa.com/images/routemap2.gif
http://www.geocities.com/gurukenn/815-crash-2.jpg
http://www.streetdirectory.com/img/mainpage/indonesia/indonesia_overview_map.gif


That's way more then 1,000 miles flying off course.

[BomberDawg95]

Here is where the Sundra Trench is, which is where the entire Find 815 search takes place.
http://static.flickr.com/39/94151850_500060dfe9_m.jpg

This is where the Sundra Trench and Indonesia is in relation to Australia:
http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/images/indian_map.jpg

And this is where Australia, Fiji, and LA are compared to each other.

So why, praytell, was the 815 Flight found in the Sundra Trench as it is in canon? That's more of my question...
http://www.maps-pacific.com/graphics/Pacific-Ocean-Map.gif

[Lostfan1]

Ben put the plane there so it would be found.
Anywhere else it would probly would never be discovered

The people who found it probly just asumed they got off course.

[islander]

I thought the guys who found it were connected to Widmore in some way - seems i heard that during one of the shows. plus it had to be far enough off course to explain why no one ever found it during the search and rescue exercises, and it had to be in deep enough water so no salvage would be possible.

[bunnydixon]

i am not sure about this one.

[islander]

i am not sure about this one.

didn't the maxwell group own the salvage ship the christianne l? and didn't the guys operating the undersea rovers mention something about a map some "guy" gave them? don't make me go back and scan a bunch of episodes....i won't be able to go to bed until i sort this out.

[islander]

thank you lostpedia. this link shows the maxwell group ownes the christianne l, and the maxwell group is a division of widmore industries.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Maxwell

[bunnydixon]

oh no - i was referring to why the wreckage is placed where it is lol!

[islander]

oh no - i was referring to why the wreckage is placed where it is lol!


LOL...hey Bunny...i don't know anything about the Lost game, Find 815, that the Lostpedia link addresses - is the game factually accurate so it's based on facts in the show?

[bunnydixon]

i have nooooooo idea! i never really got involved with the game!

[islander]

i have nooooooo idea! i never really got involved with the game!

some help you are! :D

i wonder if there've been mentions of HAM in the Lost game? :D

[bunnydixon]

i am sure thats what they were serving as the inflight meal :p

[az-phil]

Well no matter if it was on course or not, it's highly unlikely they would find a submerged reckage as part of a search and rescue mission. Those exercises look for survivors floating on the surface.

An underwater salvage mission on open water would be something that is conducted well after the crash with lots of preparation. It's near impossible to find stuff floating on the open ocean, and finding something underwater is even harder (especially without many clues as to where it might have crashed).

I believe the news clip said that a research crew stumbled on the submerged plane, so my assumption is that Widmore's team placed it where they could explain having a research crew finding it. They wanted it to be found so that people would stop searching for it, so they didn't much care if it was way off course. It was probably even a research crew that Widmore planted there to find it, not some random research crew that stumbed on it.

[islander]

Well no matter if it was on course or not, it's highly unlikely they would find a submerged reckage as part of a search and rescue mission. Those exercises look for survivors floating on the surface.

An underwater salvage mission on open water would be something that is conducted well after the crash with lots of preparation. It's near impossible to find stuff floating on the open ocean, and finding something underwater is even harder (especially without many clues as to where it might have crashed).

I believe the news clip said that a research crew stumbled on the submerged plane, so my assumption is that Widmore's team placed it where they could explain having a research crew finding it. They wanted it to be found so that people would stop searching for it, so they didn't much care if it was way off course. It was probably even a research crew that Widmore planted there to find it, not some random research crew that stumbed on it.

yup, and if you listen to the guys operating the rovers, they mention a map some guy gave them. i'm guessing that guy worked for widmore and that means widmore, not ben, staged the fake crash.

[bigred]

OK, let me clear this all for you guys, if you where looking at the globe and looking at the pacfic ocean between australia and cali you would see the earth sping from cali to autralia, so what im getting at here is the plane would fly the other way over the united state/europe to get to autraial becasue the earth sping and the plane flying in the same directionw would make it much longer to go with the spin, going agaisnt the spin of the earth would get you to autraila fast, i know its hard concept but its tru, i use to be a pilot in trainin.

[gingergrant]

OK, let me clear this all for you guys, if you where looking at the globe and looking at the pacfic ocean between australia and cali you would see the earth sping from cali to autralia, so what im getting at here is the plane would fly the other way over the united state/europe to get to autraial becasue the earth sping and the plane flying in the same directionw would make it much longer to go with the spin, going agaisnt the spin of the earth would get you to autraila fast, i know its hard concept but its tru, i use to be a pilot in trainin.


don't they use the great circle to fly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_circle

[BomberDawg95]

OK, let me clear this all for you guys, if you where looking at the globe and looking at the pacfic ocean between australia and cali you would see the earth sping from cali to autralia, so what im getting at here is the plane would fly the other way over the united state/europe to get to autraial becasue the earth sping and the plane flying in the same directionw would make it much longer to go with the spin, going agaisnt the spin of the earth would get you to autraila fast, i know its hard concept but its tru, i use to be a pilot in trainin.

There are several mentions of Fiji and it being close to the Island, throughout the course of the show. Here's a map of where Fiji is relative to Austrailia:

http://www.nomad4ever.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/fiji_suva_map.gif

Now, Sayid explains the plane's path in one of the first episodes, which was going East towards the United States from Sydney. So explain to me what evidence exists that indicates the flight would be going 'West' and end up in the Sundra Trench?

Its Widmore's attempt to keep others from searching for the Island or accidentally finding the Island by searching for the plane.

[Lostfan1]

They lost comunications and had to turn around on the real plane
So i guss that is what they assumed happened

[boutte]

So what was a salvage ship doing searching in waters that are so deep that you can't retrieve stuff?

[justjoe]

All part of the coverup Boutte.

[ortrules]

So what was a salvage ship doing searching in waters that are so deep that you can't retrieve stuff?

Better yet, what is the captain doing with a black box from Flight 815 that was so deep that you can't retrieve stuff?

Lets the conspiracy theorists run rampant!

[Snape]

OK, let me clear this all for you guys, if you where looking at the globe and looking at the pacfic ocean between australia and cali you would see the earth sping from cali to autralia, so what im getting at here is the plane would fly the other way over the united state/europe to get to autraial becasue the earth sping and the plane flying in the same directionw would make it much longer to go with the spin, going agaisnt the spin of the earth would get you to autraila fast, i know its hard concept but its tru, i use to be a pilot in trainin.

No. You are flat wrong. The Earth's atmospheres moves with the Earth inertially. You would have to leave the Earth's orbit in order for it to be faster to fly over Europe to LA (from Australia) than to fly over the Pacific Ocean to LA (from Australia).

That's like saying a baseball goes farther if you throw it West instead of East (with the same initial force of course).

[Snape]

They lost comunications and had to turn around on the real plane
So i guss that is what they assumed happened

But even then, this seems like a HUGE editing/writing/canonical mistake for the entire WORLD not to be suspicious about what occurred during the flight. Sure, they lost communication with mainland - but they would have known far in advance of losing communication that they were travelling so laughably off course. I mean, that's like almost the complete opposite direction. What kind of error would a pilot have to make (not to mention it's automated guidance system) to NOT notice that his plane had turned about 150 degrees left of the bearing they were supposed to be on to reach LA?

An implausible error, that's what kind. It does not make sense - it must be a writing mistake for them to say Indonesia or w/e (assuming the world ISN'T suspicious, which any halfway reasonable person would be at such a revelation).

[BensBaby]

Ok everyone, now don't get mad at me, I love this show and can not get enough of it.......but........it is a TV show. You can dump the plane in my backyard and said it crashed there, really doesn't matter it is a TV show (and a great one at that). Aren't we getting a little carried away with where they actually dumped the fake 815:D. I understand that technically it is not where it should be, but I'm sure there is more to this as there always is...................

[islander]

Better yet, what is the captain doing with a black box from Flight 815 that was so deep that you can't retrieve stuff?

Lets the conspiracy theorists run rampant!

DON'T TRUST THE CAPTAIN