Alternate Reality

[ramsaur]

So my cousin just got into watching Lost. And she was at the end of Season 1 on the finale and was going to watch an episode or 2 of Season 2. I watched with her. And in Season 2, Episode 2 I found a connection that could tell us there really is an alternate reality.

So about 5 minutes into the 2nd episode michael is talking with his lawyer to make walt his son. The beginning of their conversation there is only 1 wide shot of both of them talking. There is a window to the left and you can see The Twin Towers!!! Now the Twin Towers got hit in 2001 and Season 2 of Lost was filmed after 9/11/2001. Does this mean that, that scene takes place in an alternate reality? I don't understand why they would add the Twin Towers in? Or is the scene suppose to take place before 9/11?

Here's the shot:
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/TwinTowers-LostSeason2.jpg

[notsolost42]

Hi Ramsaur and welcome! That is a good pick up by you! There are tons of these kinds of examples of alternate universes and have been since the beginning. Thanks for posting this. :)

[chester]

Wow! great pick up indeed. Why would they do that?

[ramsaur]

Thanks!

I thought more on my find, and I think that scene does take place before 2001. Cause walt is really young. So it might be before 9/11... Don't know for sure. But still a good find.

[chester]

Thanks!

I thought more on my find, and I think that scene does take place before 2001. Cause walt is really young. So it might be before 9/11... Don't know for sure. But still a good find.

Yes. Good point. The events in that scene were supposed to have occurred before 9/11, right? So they were being historically accurate. But, still. They didn't need to show that skyline at all. It just goes to show the lengths they go to be correct, putting more doubt on the theory that the vast amount of scene discrepancies are all accidental (i.e, production errors). :)

[JfromtheD]

That was in 1996...
Lawyer asked how Michael hurt his leg.

But I agree... They're way too acurate in minute details, to make such obvious "mistakes" in more important events.

[losttime]

So my cousin just got into watching Lost. And she was at the end of Season 1 on the finale and was going to watch an episode or 2 of Season 2. I watched with her. And in Season 2, Episode 2 I found a connection that could tell us there really is an alternate reality.

So about 5 minutes into the 2nd episode michael is talking with his lawyer to make walt his son. The beginning of their conversation there is only 1 wide shot of both of them talking. There is a window to the left and you can see The Twin Towers!!! Now the Twin Towers got hit in 2001 and Season 2 of Lost was filmed after 9/11/2001. Does this mean that, that scene takes place in an alternate reality? I don't understand why they would add the Twin Towers in? Or is the scene suppose to take place before 9/11?

Here's the shot:
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/TwinTowers-LostSeason2.jpg



When was this encounter with the Lawyer taking place? When Walt was still a baby?

That was definitely more then 3 yrs prior to 2001.

It could be for the same reason we saw Ethan alive after he was shot.

Wasnt because it was in an alternate world but because it occurred in the time period before he was shot by Pace.

[notsolost42]

Your questions were already answered if you read the previous post.
Gee LT, when have we seen Ethan alive after he was shot?

[ramsaur]

The ethan deal. We see him "alive" when we start introducing Juliet's past. But I thought that time period took place before oceanic plane crash?

[notsolost42]

The ethan deal. We see him "alive" when we start introducing Juliet's past. But I thought that time period took place before oceanic plane crash?

Yes, it did but I am not sure that was what he meant.

[losttime]

Your questions were already answered if you read the previous post.
Gee LT, when have we seen Ethan alive after he was shot?


I can see you are just being obnoxious as usual.

And dont even pretend its an innocent post.

[notsolost42]

Typical answer LT. Thanks. :)

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Typical answer LT. Thanks. :)

It's a typical LT answer to a typical just condecending enough to not be overly condecending notso post.
At least in my eyes.

[notsolost42]

Just to spell things out here...

Juliet passed Ethan in the hallway of her sisters apartment building before 2001:

Before 2001, Juliet was a fertility doctor working under her ex-husband, Edmund Burke, at the Miami Central University Medical Research Laboratory, a biological research facility in Miami. While working on her research in the labs, she was secretly administering her experimental treatments to her sister, who was stricken with cancer. Chemotherapy had left her unable to have children.

Walter Lloyd was born August 24, 1994, ten years before he crash landed on the island.

Michael Dawson was hit by a taxi cab while crossing a Manhattan street as follows:

Fighting to see his son again, Michael was abashed by his lack of legal rights, as at the time he had little income and could by no means challenge the standard of life Susan was providing for their son. After one heated phone call from a pay phone, Michael walked into the street without looking, and was hit by a car.

The custody fight over Walt, in which the OP's photograph depicts Michael, his attorney and the important dated detail of the Twin Towers in the background occured in 1996, as follows:
Two weeks before Walt's second birthday, Susan returned to New York, after Michael was hit by a car, which occurred right after an argument the two had on a public pay phone. Susan updated him about her and Walt's life, and revealed that she is planning on marrying her boss. She also said that the three of them would be moving to Rome, Italy, at the end of the month. Susan asked Michael the unthinkable - to give up his parental rights to Brian Porter, who would adopt him. Michael refused, and a legal battle began between the two, as Michael hoped he could get his son back. ("Special")

During the process, Michael saw he had no chance against Susan and dropped the lawsuit after Susan convinced him that she and Brian could give Walt a better life. Susan brought Walt to New York, where he reunited with his father. The two-year-old boy hugged his emotional father, who gave him a stuffed polar bear. Michael believed that this would be the last time he would see his son.

No one ever said any of this had to do with alternate worlds. No one said anything about Ethan Rom. JD said that the meeting between Michael and his attorney in the photograph took place in 1996 and he was absolutely correct. Walt was two years old. At that time Juliet was working in Miami for her exhusband and giving her sister fertility injections. Again, before 2001. She passed Ethan Rom in the hallway of her sisters apartment before 2001. Ethan Rom was shot and killed by Charlie Pace on October 20, 2004. I don't get how this proves or disproves anything about alternate universes or even has anything to do with the idea of alternate universes. But, now you have your facts, which as I said, were already posted.

[losttime]

It's a typical LT answer to a typical just condecending enough to not be overly condecending notso post.
At least in my eyes.

UP thank you.

My point of seeing Ethan alive even after he was shot was on the Island when Locke was skipping through time and it was before the time he was shot by Pace.

This was the example I was referring to nothing else.

So in the picture to show where they were and the time period of the Twin Towers is why I said it was there in the first place as opposed to an alt world scenario that the opening post was implying.

I am sorry but I dont always read through every single post to see if it what I was going to say was already said.

The response was uncalled for and its just a way to make me say something so they can say I am showing my true colors and insecure or whatever else.

[Mr. J]

Seeing as this is a thread about Alternate Realities,and not Losttime versus NotsoLost round 108 :D.....id like to ask Notso a question.
I know your well into the idea of alternate realities in the show,but what id like to know is ,how do you think 2 (or more) alternate realities become one?

[notsolost42]

Seeing as this is a thread about Alternate Realities,and not Losttime versus NotsoLost round 108 :D.....id like to ask Notso a question.
I know your well into the idea of alternate realities in the show,but what id like to know is ,how do you think 2 (or more) alternate realities become one?

Based on Dirac's Wave Function, one universe will collapse and the other one will exist. I think that I must have a thread about that somewhere or you can look for the thread I wrote called The Science of Lost to explain it. Good question. It's the same way that light can exist as particles and waves simultaneously.

[Mr. J]

Thanks i'll look that up :)

[notsolost42]

Thanks i'll look that up :)

Hey, no problem. And just one other little clue we had about it. Remember Dan's journal page that had the weird spheres on it that were marked Imaginary Time, Imaginary Space, Real Time, Real Space? Those were references to the Dirac Wave Function and there was an equation on the page referring to it also. :)

[Mr. J]

yup i remember the journal,didnt dwell too much on the equations though lol.Another question :) how do you think the collapse of an alternate reality helps the story of lost....like do you think the characters cross over from the reality where 815 lands safely,or is it just gonna(presuming its multiple realities were dealing with) be used as a story telling device,showing us the 'what if' side of things.And just another thought,lost fans are very curious about who libby is etc,if jacks plan worked ,then ultimatley libby's story would be different and irrelevant.

[notsolost42]

yup i remember the journal,didnt dwell too much on the equations though lol.Another question :) how do you think the collapse of an alternate reality helps the story of lost....like do you think the characters cross over from the reality where 815 lands safely,or is it just gonna(presuming its multiple realities were dealing with) be used as a story telling device,showing us the 'what if' side of things.And just another thought,lost fans are very curious about who libby is etc,if jacks plan worked ,then ultimatley libby's story would be different and irrelevant.

I think that for the past five years we have been watching both realities all along. I believe that the collapse of one reality will be the story telling device TPTB use to bring everything on the island to its final conclusion. I don't think that multiple realities is just a device on its own to tell the story of "what if" because that would be really lame to me. lol. I think if you don't mind spoilers, you might want to move this conversation into a spoiler thread called Now Boarding Oceanic Flight 815 and we can really discuss this better.