Will Widmore return to the island?

[rock-lobster]

What do you think?

Personally I kind of like the idea of him not ever going back. The whole "it's my island, i just can't find it" idea is an interesting one to me, but it could also be very exciting to see him return for the final season.

What do you think?

[krakup]

i know season 6 could just go off in a complete different direction but at the moment seems to me widmore is set up to be one of the forces in the coming war

[tpbaxter]

I think Widmore will return to the show, but I don't think he will return to the island. Ben moved the island so Widmore doesn't know where it is or how to get there. Plus he is an old rich man who seems to be living a good life in the real world? :)

[LissaMarie]

My guess is that Widdy may not make it himself but a few of his kids will be there for sure! I'm still sticking with Locke being Widdy's son because it makes sense to me and only me. :p

[krakup]

I think Widmore will return to the show, but I don't think he will return to the island. Ben moved the island so Widmore doesn't know where it is or how to get there. Plus he is an old rich man who seems to be living a good life in the real world? :)
lol i agree he is a rich old man but his soul purpose of becoming rich seems to be making the island his again, as he said to ben
My guess is that Widdy may not make it himself but a few of his kids will be there for sure! I'm still sticking with Locke being Widdy's son because it makes sense to me and only me. :p

wow , wouldn't that be something

[losttime]

My guess is that Widdy may not make it himself but a few of his kids will be there for sure! I'm still sticking with Locke being Widdy's son because it makes sense to me and only me. :p

I can see why you think he is Widmores son but didnt Lockes mother supposedly have an affair with a "much older man" or something like that. unless that isnt the one that got her pregnant.


How old was Widmore in 1956? I thought Widmore said he was 17 or 18 back than when he first met Locke in 1954.

So maybe he is the father but I dont know how, if in fact it was a much older man Lockes mother was with.

[rock-lobster]

I can see why you think he is Widmores son but didnt Lockes mother supposedly have an affair with a "much older man" or something like that. unless that isnt the one that got her pregnant.


How old was Widmore in 1956? I thought Widmore said he was 17 or 18 back than when he first met Locke in 1954.

So maybe he is the father but I dont know how, if in fact it was a much older man Lockes mother was with.

yeah, locke's mother said something like "he's twice your age" and that doesn't add up. widmore was 17 in 54, so he was 19 in 1956. 19 divided by 2= 9 and a half, and locke's mom was clearly not 9 and a half.

although, it's never actually said that the baby she was carrying was the older man's baby, so you never know.

[losttime]

although, it's never actually said that the baby she was carrying was the older man's baby, so you never know.

Yes I noted that point that it might not even be the older man that got her pregnant.

I dont recall if Ben said to Widmore that he regularly had a relationship with an outsider or outsiders.

Also I dont see why it cant be Sawyer as was talked about unless Sawyer really wasn his father.

Sawyer did say to Locke "You needed a father figure and I needed a kidney" something like that. So maybe he really wasnt his father at all.

Just one other person to use Locke for their own selfish needs.
Thats why Locke was the perfect candidate for MIB/Smokeys plan.

Willing to believe whatever it was, as long as it meant he was wanted or needed.

[LissaMarie]

Yup. There's plenty of ways in which it fits and plenty of ways in which it doesn't. I'm sticking with it though. We'll see!

[losttime]

Yup. There's plenty of ways in which it fits and plenty of ways in which it doesn't. I'm sticking with it though. We'll see!

By all means. Its very possible on Lost. And like I said.

Dont even know if the person that got Emily pregnant was even the man who was twice her age, right?

[notsolost42]

Yup. There's plenty of ways in which it fits and plenty of ways in which it doesn't. I'm sticking with it though. We'll see!

Good for you Lis. You know, if what you say is so, Widdie could have been time traveling off the island so he could have very easily been a much older man in 1954, as stated by Emily's mother. You just never know.

[LissaMarie]

You just never know on Lost, especially when time travel is involved! :)

[LissaMarie]

Good for you Lis. You know, if what you say is so, Widdie could have been time traveling off the island so he could have very easily been a much older man in 1954, as stated by Emily's mother. You just never know.

Exactly! Time travel makes almost anything possible, doesn't it?

[notsolost42]

Exactly! Time travel makes almost anything possible, doesn't it?

Yup, it certainly does. :cool::D:eek:
And, frankly, we have already seen how Desmond can time travel and influence the future when he visited Penny and made her promise to call him on December 24, 2004. So, she wanted nothing to do with him before he traveled back in time. She moved, changed her phone number and was getting married. Then, poof, Desmond shows up and changes all of that. Obviously, if he did not travel back in time that would not have happened and Penny would have gotten married, etc. So, the future can be changed, IMO.

[LissaMarie]

Yup, it certainly does. :cool::D:eek:
And, frankly, we have already seen how Desmond can time travel and influence the future when he visited Penny and made her promise to call him on December 24, 2004. So, she wanted nothing to do with him before he traveled back in time. She moved, changed her phone number and was getting married. Then, poof, Desmond shows up and changes all of that. Obviously, if he did not travel back in time that would not have happened and Penny would have gotten married, etc. So, the future can be changed, IMO.

You know what? I've never thought of that but I think you're absolutely right, Nots! That is perfect evidence that Eloise's convo with him was bunk and either A.) didn't apply to him because he's "special" or B.) doesn't apply at all because she wasn't considering the variables much like Daniel wasn't before his trip to Ann Arbor. Nice!! :)

[chester]

Cool thought Nots. Love the fact this thread has turned into a WHH vs TCC discussion too. Hot diggity!

[LissaMarie]

Yeah, with FRESH ideas!! Hot diggity indeed!

[jd95]

How come Widmore can't find the island, yet he can send a boatload of people who obviously found the island without too much trouble? This was before Ben moved it, remember. Doesn't make much sense to me.

And for Locke's father, we really have no reason to believe that the TMFT (The Man From Tallahassee - I will not call him "Sawyer" because we already have a Sawyer on the show who is NOT him, even though that's where the namesake originated) is not Locke's real father. The whole con was to get Locke's kidney. How would TMFT know that Locke would even be a match if he wasn't really the father?

[rock-lobster]

Also consider this. If Locke was Widmore's son, then Richard visiting Locke as a baby is justified without Locke time traveling and telling him to visit.

:eek:

[rock-lobster]

Yup, it certainly does. :cool::D:eek:
And, frankly, we have already seen how Desmond can time travel and influence the future when he visited Penny and made her promise to call him on December 24, 2004. So, she wanted nothing to do with him before he traveled back in time. She moved, changed her phone number and was getting married. Then, poof, Desmond shows up and changes all of that. Obviously, if he did not travel back in time that would not have happened and Penny would have gotten married, etc. So, the future can be changed, IMO.

yeah, that's heavy evidence for TCC. obviously, it didn't happen the first time around because before desmond traveled back (as in Desmond's first present time of 1996, before his consciousness moved back there) it would've made absolutely no sense for him to do all that.

[notsolost42]

yeah, that's heavy evidence for TCC. obviously, it didn't happen the first time around because before desmond traveled back (as in Desmond's first present time of 1996, before his consciousness moved back there) it would've made absolutely no sense for him to do all that.

Yup.......

[chester]

Yeah, with FRESH ideas!! Hot diggity indeed!

Yep, and there are plenty of fresh ideas going around about the subject.

[notsolost42]

You know what? I've never thought of that but I think you're absolutely right, Nots! That is perfect evidence that Eloise's convo with him was bunk and either A.) didn't apply to him because he's "special" or B.) doesn't apply at all because she wasn't considering the variables much like Daniel wasn't before his trip to Ann Arbor. Nice!! :)

Cool thought Nots. Love the fact this thread has turned into a WHH vs TCC discussion too. Hot diggity!

Thanks....

[stream]

"turned into a WHH vs TCC discussion too."
don't they all, eventually, don't they all, I watched part of the Constant yesterday and Nots has it right now I am back to TCC and I was on WHH for about 2 days so who's going to send me back

[notsolost42]

Sometimes I think that the whole WCC vs. TCC was the biggest red herring of the show. It's like a magicians trick where they want you to look one place while they really do something somewhere else. Deception at its finest.

[losttime]

So if TCC what is the purpose of the alternate world?

I thought the purpose of the alternate world was allowing for things to change without causing paradoxes on the original time line?

So are there alternate time lines and TCC as well and no original time line?

[stream]

I think the original timeline gets overwritten like saving a new version of a document your writing maybe??:confused:

[Desi420]

In 1996, Penny tells Desmond she wants nothing to do with him, moves, changes her number and so on. I'm talking about the original time line before Desmonds Conscience floating around trip.

But in 2001, original time line, Penny shows up at the stadium in LA where Desmond is running the stairs and meets jack. Penny is there to try and get Desmond back and talk him out of his boat race against Widmore.

[krakup]

In 1996, Penny tells Desmond she wants nothing to do with him, moves, changes her number and so on. I'm talking about the original time line before Desmonds Conscience floating around trip.

But in 2001, original time line, Penny shows up at the stadium in LA where Desmond is running the stairs and meets jack. Penny is there to try and get Desmond back and talk him out of his boat race against Widmore.

if i remember we saw the stadium scene twice, the second time was the penny scene, but i am not sure

from lostpedia

The stadium is a sports arena in or near L.A., within driving distance of St. Sebastian Hospital.

* Jack ran the steps (tour de stade) in frustration during his break from the hospital (because he believed he couldn't save Sarah from paralysis). ("Man of Science, Man of Faith")
* Desmond went there to train for the Widmore race, and said his goodbye to Penelope in the parking lot. ("Live Together, Die Alone")
* Jack and Desmond first met there, and did not meet again until their encounter in The Swan. Desmond told him not to give up hope in miracles, and Sarah later proved to be one. ("Man of Science, Man of Faith")

[notsolost42]

In 1996, Penny tells Desmond she wants nothing to do with him, moves, changes her number and so on. I'm talking about the original time line before Desmonds Conscience floating around trip.

But in 2001, original time line, Penny shows up at the stadium in LA where Desmond is running the stairs and meets jack. Penny is there to try and get Desmond back and talk him out of his boat race against Widmore.

No, sorry, she's not. This is from Lostpedia:

As Desmond prepared to train by running stairs at an L.A. stadium, Penelope approached Desmond and revealed her success in locating him by employing her great resources. "With enough money and determination you can find anyone," she explained. Penny asked him if he had read his beloved book yet, and inquired as to why he did not write to her. To evade her questions, Desmond confronted Penny with his knowledge that she is getting married, adding that he will be back in a year, after winning her father's race, and he hoped Penny would wait for him. Penny believed his choice to enter the race was just another example of cowardice. Desmond insisted that he is running to get his honor back.

[islander]

Didn't Widmore have his chance to return to the island once the freighter found it and Frank was ferrying people back and forth? I am thinking Widmore's freighter mission was to get Ben to turn the wheel. Per Widmore, Ben tricked him into turning the wheel so Widmore retaliated and forced Ben to turn the wheel. Of course Widmore's plan seems to have backfired since Ben is back on the island.

[ortrules]

If you had asked at the beginning of last season, I would have said 100% yes to Widmore returning to the island for a big war with Ben.

However, given the fact that Widmore's freighter found the island and he still stayed away and the fact that Ben is able to find the island again and Widmore hasn't seemed interested - I don't think he'll try.