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LS1234review
02-28-2008, 02:00 AM
The question over who is in the coffin has been one of the most pressing topics of discussion for Lost fans.

Whilst I fully expect this theory to be wrong, I hope at least that the logic and thinking behind it will be able to stand on it's own merit.

I should also explain that the candidate for 'who is inside the coffin' is not new, however I hope that the theory iteself and the thinking behind it is.

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One of the things that many LOST fans have queried whilst discussing the identity of the person in the coffin, is it's relatively small size - in particular it's length:



This has caused many to believe it is infact a child inside the coffin. My theory suggests that the person in the coffin is indeed an adult..not a child, but an adult. The small size can be explained by the absense of legs. Specifically, I am suggesting that the person inside the coffin literally lost their legs - thus reducing the amount of space required.

The identity of this person is, of course, John Locke.

His whole entire story (once Cooper pushed him out of the window) is driven around the desire to walk..to achieve the impossible.

"Don't tell me what I can't do!" was his mantra

In "Walkabout" his cites Norman Croucher, the climber of Mt Everest, as his inspiration - "double amputee"..just as was to become of Locke..

One might question why it was that Locke lost his legs. I believe this to be due to the fact that the island healed his legs..this made him "special" (as explained by Ben in 3.13)..no-one could take this away from him except the island..or someone wanting to remove Locke's 'specialness'. Someone willing to remove Locke from the game and literally cut his specialness out of him by removing both his legs. Rendering him back to not only level 1 in the 'game' (Jacob's ladder?)..but level 0.."a tabular Rasa"..



Jack's guilt ridden response can be explained by his regret over 'making that call'..allowing 'rescue' to come to the island..allowing them to cut off Locke's legs in the process. Of course this is not done immediately..but perhaps over the course of the next 2 seasons we will discover the atroscities that these 'rescuers' will commit in order to re/claim the island(theory)..

Further fuel for this idea is the multitude of missing limbs that we have in the show..from those missing from dolls found scattered in the jungle, to Marvin Candle's (or whatever he calls himself these days) prosphetic arm, to the missing limbs depicted on the 'Room 23' conditioning video.

Even Mikhail's missing eye could be cited as a clue.

It could be argued that with no or little hope of getting back to the island and with no chance of EVER walking again, Locke (under a new Alias) decided to kill himself..perhaps with the hope of getting back to the island via a manifestation (afterall, he had a communion with the island..if anyone could go back that way, it would be him)

The teenaged son? Walt..he adopted him after he returned from the island..Walt being left an orphan by Michael's murder -either at sea (bumped into freightites who took his son?) or back in the real world (theory).

As an alternative to an amputeed Locke being in the coffin, I would suggest Ben..under similar circumstances..that is, having both legs removed




The question of how this could be portrayed realitically in the show - that is, with either Locke or Ben having both legs removed..well I think it can be done quite easily



Many films and TV programmes have had the skill to pull such an effect off without the need for CGI or fancy special effects.

I hope to come back to this with updates, aswell as to answer or take on board any questions or suggestions.

Whilst I don't expect this to be accurate (I also think the coffin could be a ruse, with no-one being inside it), I am struck by the way this could all lace togehter. The producers have a habit of long conning us with short con set-ups..but as they say, "it's all about the details". - I hope I haven't missed any?.

(this is not a theory created by me, its from another website i forgot the name of, but from what i read it all seems logical to me, a little out there, but i bet it could be true if the man in the newpaper article ISNT talking about a new character other than this i believe that the man in the article is most likely a guy named jeremy bentham, he was a 19th century philospher like most of the characters on the show, he invented a prison that was trying to change peoples behavior, and i read somewhere else a theory on the numbers how ther epart of that valenzetti equation, which is an equation that depicts when the world is going to end, and that the dharma initiative is studying the people on the crash (they supposeably made it crash) to see if it changes there behavior and somehow saving the human race,)


tell me what you think on both theorys thanks much :)

LS1234review
02-28-2008, 02:03 AM
oh and one more thing, on the newpaper clipping, everyone seems to depict a
"jo--------antham" well if you look closely very closely at the clipping where the supposed "jo" is you can see that it is in fact a "je" you can see how the "O" over laps making it look like an "e" if it was an O it would be a perfect circle, thats how i depicted it, if you dont understand what i mean, it kinda looks like a backwards "9"

NZlostie
02-28-2008, 02:11 AM
LS1234review - wow you've got some good theories, including research... you don't by any chance know any producers from the show? like you have an inside knowledge.

so do you agree that the person in the coffin is one of the O6?

awsnyde
02-28-2008, 02:17 AM
I agree that it's probably Locke, and I hadn't even considered the whole length of the coffin thing. Given what Jack had said about the person being neither friend or family, I figured it would be either Ben or Locke, since I do think Jack would call any of the other survivors a friend (even Sawyer!). And of course, we've since learned that Ben is still alive, although, come to think of it, given that we're not sure of the timeframe of Sayid's flashforward in relation to Jack's, I guess that's not conclusive.

LS1234review
02-28-2008, 02:24 AM
no i dont believe that it is one of the O6, for one is because both of my theorys only include john lock and a new character "jeremy Bentham" i believe that if it was one of the o6 many lost fans would have figured it out by now, producers purposly showed the newpaper clipping in the last episode of season 3, but as you can tell it just so happens that the newpaper is bent where the "J" starts and the "antham ends" you can tell that matthew fox was instructed to hold it at a steady angle but still have it in motion to not make it look like an obvious easter egg, ok i have been on many many many websites looking at this coffin theory, i have seen people name everyone on the show with a name that starts with a "j", but yet all the people with a "J" dont fit the scene, many people say since it was in a black neighborhood most likely that it was a black person, but yet im not saying for sure that it is, but the producers obviously insisted on showing the black people outside of that convenient store, to me it looked like drug dealers, and when i noticed that i thought "where are they?" so i looked at that episode and if you remember that jack runs in front of a car? the license is cali (you prob already knew that) but anyway in season 4 remember that weird scene that starts in "inglewood California?" with the drugs and money? i believe that this is one of the starting stories of our new character "Jeremy Bentham" ( i assume THAT scene is a flash back)

sound reasonable?

justjoe
02-28-2008, 03:00 AM
I like the thought you have put into this but there's one problem. The producers themselves said that the coffin is of normal size.

LS1234review
02-28-2008, 03:04 AM
I like the thought you have put into this but there's one problem. The producers themselves said that the coffin is of normal size.
your right, but the "john locke" theory is only if the person in the coffin is one of our already known characters, and since john locke is not it, then i believe it is in fact our new mystery character "jeremy Bentham" im assuming hes african american

jacksnurse
02-28-2008, 03:34 AM
i think that it is def Michael....he had to have an alias when he came back later....for many reasons....to hide from Ben maybe and hide from the others rescued since he did kill 2 people on the island.....i think he hung himself in his loft....(or walt finally got pissed enought to cause it to happen)...the obit said he was survived by a teenage son...maybe mikey felt so much guilt or like jack...had to lie and hide too much that he couldn't take it anymore

LS1234review
02-28-2008, 03:45 AM
well i dont think its michael, Entertainment weekly said that hes going to be seen more in this season and that the person will be revealed, why would jack feel so upset over michael? jack didnt even have respect for michael let alone like him enough to cry over him and thus try and kill himself (hence why he was standing on the endge of the balcony) i think its a new char that will be introduced very very soon, perhaps next episode or in 2 episodes, the only way i could come to accept that it might be michael is if michael changes his name, but until we see anything that hints torwards michael changing his name i have to stick to this theory

TSOL1
02-28-2008, 04:00 AM
well i dont think its michael, Entertainment weekly said that hes going to be seen more in this season and that the person will be revealed, why would jack feel so upset over michael? jack didnt even have respect for michael let alone like him enough to cry over him and thus try and kill himself (hence why he was standing on the endge of the balcony) i think its a new char that will be introduced very very soon, perhaps next episode or in 2 episodes, the only way i could come to accept that it might be michael is if michael changes his name, but until we see anything that hints torwards michael changing his name i have to stick to this theory


We dont have all the facts yet, maybe something happens where for some reason Walt doesn't come back with him and he is forced to change his identity. Michael is not very tall which could lead to why the coffin doesn't look very big. Also, by the producers saying that he is going to be seen more this season, that could just mean we could learn all the events that lead up to him dying and ending up in that coffin. No friends.. No family... I think I just convinced myself of who is in the coffin. ;)

stargazer
02-28-2008, 04:12 AM
your right, but the "john locke" theory is only if the person in the coffin is one of our already known characters, and since john locke is not it, then i believe it is in fact our new mystery character "jeremy Bentham" im assuming hes african american

I've thought all along that it might be a new character thats in the coffin. If it is, its someone who profoundly affects Jacks life.

LS1234review
02-28-2008, 04:52 AM
We dont have all the facts yet, maybe something happens where for some reason Walt doesn't come back with him and he is forced to change his identity. Michael is not very tall which could lead to why the coffin doesn't look very big. Also, by the producers saying that he is going to be seen more this season, that could just mean we could learn all the events that lead up to him dying and ending up in that coffin. No friends.. No family... I think I just convinced myself of who is in the coffin. ;)
so your saying his son wasnt invited to the funeral?

TSOL1
02-28-2008, 04:53 AM
so your saying his son wasnt invited to the funeral?

I'm saying he didnt get off the island..

skatertsol
02-28-2008, 04:56 AM
I'm saying he didnt get off the island..
I don't think Walt and Michael end up together off the island (if he even gets outta there)....I think Walt's got some crazy things going on back on the island so it's plausible he's not at the funeral. Maybe the island wouldn't LET him go. That's even if it is Michael.

DriveShaft
02-28-2008, 04:57 AM
I like the thought you have put into this but there's one problem. The producers themselves said that the coffin is of normal size.

And that the piece of paper has nothing to do with who is REALLY inside. It was just a prop.

But very cool and interesting theory. Good work, many of the thoughts have too crossed my mind

LS1234review
02-28-2008, 06:08 AM
I'm saying he didnt get off the island..
buit it said teenage son was there in in new york or whatever, but as DS said if the article was indeed a prop it could be anyone, but if the prop has legit writing on it and its true, then who knows this whole coffin thing confuses the hell outta me, im gonna close my argument on the coffin theory until its revealed, or at least until i think of something good lol

NZlostie
02-28-2008, 08:50 AM
Ok just did some character research. For Inglewood Cal. If the person in the coffin is not an O6. how about Mrs. Gardner's Grandson and she hired Miles Straume to exorcise her grandson's ghost

bunnydixon
02-28-2008, 09:59 AM
another detailed theory i see - you are on a roll!

however, although it may well be john locke in the coffin, i am not sure i am keen on the whole losing limbs aspect. i am not sure why that would happen. it may well do if its the only way they can get john not to walk again for whatever reason or perhaps this is related to bens tumour in some way but it does seem a little extreme. and i am sure helen would have showed at johns funeral. okay, she may have left on bad terms but they do have a history and she did love him at one point.

beachblinkette
02-28-2008, 02:36 PM
IMO Jack's in such a state of anxiety that he might go to the funeral home whether he liked the dead person or not. It's his addiction to the island that drives him to contact Kate and Hurley. He's a junkie for it and will take any 'fix' he can get.It could be Locke in there as you say. Didn't the island try to crush his legs in the hatch? Something doesn't want Locke to keep his legs, it would seem. I have one question, tho-John doesn't want to leave the island and that makes it also seem unlikely that he'd be among the O6.You never get a clear pic of where this is going.Your guess is an interesting one.

Glenn2000
02-28-2008, 05:59 PM
Seeing as how desperetly Locke wants to stay on the island, I don't think he will ever leave alive. If he's willing to kill Naomi I think he's willing to die trying to stay there.

perso3
02-28-2008, 09:03 PM
This so confusing and interesting im gonna go watch that episode again.