Lost time theory (30 min 18 sec thing)

[LS1234review]

This article is 100% my theory, i didnt reference anyone else or lostpedia or anything, this is a pretty long article but i hope you enjoy! : )

Wanna learn an something crazy?

ok remember the second episode of season 1? (Pilot-Part 2)

well thats the episode where sayid, boone, shannon, sawyer, charlie, and kate go to see if they can get a signal with there radio device, well during that scene where they transmission repeats the "interation" it ranges from 17294531 to 17294535, according to sayid the message is roughly 30 seconds long.


ok so check this:

i started with the first interation number i heard which was "17294531" that was the first day on the island "Day 1". on the last episode of season 3 jack and the gang go to the radio tower where they go to remove roussoue's message, i heard the interation number then, i listened to it at least 5 times just to make sure i wasnt making a mistake.

The number was "17550445"

so basically i was curius as to how long they spent on the island ( how long they spent until that day that turned off the distress signal) so heres how i figured it

17550445(day of eliminating distress) - 17294531 (day of arrival) = 255914 (amount of 30 second intervals spent on the island)

so i needed to get the amount of seconds spend so i multiplied that number by 30

hence the number 7677420 (amount of seconds)

now i have to get minutes 7677420 / 60 = 127957

now hours 127957 / 60 = 2132.61666...

now days 2132.61666... / 24

total days equals 88.9 days..... (88 days 21 hours 36 minutes)

now check this

i found out that the episode "Through the lookinglass" that that was day 93


i know what your thinking OMG!! thats different from your equation, could this be because of the 30 minute 18 second delay as the rocket was? lets see.....

could there be a 30 minute 18 second delay per day on the island as from the real world?

well lets see lets add 30 minutes and 18 seconds per day to the 88 days 21 hours and 36 minutes that i got from my equation, well i gotta turn the 88 days blah blah blah back into minutes then add 30 minutes times 88 days, i wont write that down i dont want to bore you so just one second.....

well i did it and it turns out at the time of removing the distress tape and the actual time at the mainland differs 1.85 days or 1 day 20 hours 22 minutes, now i am off by 3 days, but thats not because i did the equation wrong, its because the interation isnt exactly 30 seconds and because i do not know the exact hours o and minutes of day 93. also i rounded a lot to get my equations, if i had a better calculator that my computer i could most likely figure this out damn near exact.


now you wonder why did i bring this subject up? well for one this had to of meant that the producers knew that the time would be different at the end of season 3, but thats not really relevant to anything, my major point is is that all these people who have been having theorys about how the time is different must actually be somewhat true ( and im not talking about the island itselfs time difference) i mean all these theories of going into different time/ dimension realms or whatever, i mean this is one hell of a confuseing concept, but with this proven fact (from the show not real life lol) this could open up all possibilities for new episodes that we havent even thought about, i mean think about it its not really december 23rd on the island its december 18th, that means that there is two locations with different times (significant ones) i mean the longer someone stays on this island the farther and farther the time on the mainland goes ahead, ben has spent damn near his whole life on the island, hes probly a couple years younger than he would be if he was on the mainland.

could this time difference have something to do with why ben was born early? is it possible that he is the reason for time difference or something? or like he was meant to be on the island? and what about the supposably "Fake" plane? is it possible that one plane was split into two planes due to crossing over to another time plane?

i use to think that this was rediculous, that the creators couldnt do the whole " time dimension thing" but as soon as they did the whole "30 minute 18 second" delay, they opened up a whole new range of possibilities, do you think this is pretty accurate? do you think that the other plane could be a time split? does this time thing have anything to do with the pilot on the fake airplane not having his wedding ring on? like once he crossed the time zone he for some reason took it off? for who knows what reason?

what im saying is is that if this time split theory that i have going on is true (which it sure as hell looks like it) that one pilot on one plane had different actions that the other?

now that i think about it i might have it semi-backwards, ex. instead of ben being a couple years younger hes a couple years older

what other possibilities does this open up for the story of lost?



What do you think of this? does it sound reasonable/logical? or am i talking out my ass? because it sounds ok to me

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thank you

[LS1234review]

one more thing i just thought of, seeing as how i was off a couple days, what if the 30 min 18 sec a day happens every 12 hours? that would double my extra 1.85 days. getting about 3.7 days its a little closer but it may be less than every 12 hours maybe every 7 or 8? because 6 hours would result in an extra 7 days which is more

[NZlostie]

The flight was suppose to be 8 hours. i remember reading that there was turbulence at 6hours into the trip... so perhaps that could be when the plane splits into two different paths, would that work with your equation
which is fabulous by the way!!!!!!!!!!!
oh any chance you worked on the clocks for the payload?

[bunnydixon]

wow - am loving your theory. lots of good, valid points and your working outs are really interesting. it really makes a lot of sense to me and could explain a lot of things.

[Robo42]

LS, that was pretty spectactular. I hope this theory is correct, just because you put alot of effort and thought into it. It doeas make sense.
Tell me if I got this right. So if the losties have been there 100 days from their perspective, that it is actually approx. 3100 mins less as compared to off the island, which is roughly 2+ days?

[Batman]

i agree that your equation works for the time delay and it would make sence why the original people on the island dont age. if time slows down 30 min a day you could imagine 30 or 40 years minus 30 minutes a day.

"could this time difference have something to do with why ben was born early? is it possible that he is the reason for time difference or something? or like he was meant to be on the island? and what about the supposably "Fake" plane? is it possible that one plane was split into two planes due to crossing over to another time plane?"

now with that, ben was born off the island and the plane theory that splits into two totally different planes is a little far.

great that you picked up on that transmission number.

[beachblinkette]

Amazing and very keen work, there.The writers love playing around with numbers and you've caught something that no one else seems to have caught!I hope you stay with this because those of us less gifted math-wise(me!) need your input.I have some big questions about time travel, time warps, slowed time and how it will play out here. Thanks!

[addictedtolost]

i thought it was 31 minutes 8 sec. not 30. may be wrong. if im right it might make your equation work out more accurate.

[suzisunshine1]

Wow..I've been on the lost.com site for a long time and I dont think anyone else has posted this in such detail. Great work and very interesting.

[lostNspace]

Thanks, that was was a thorough and made sense. You can ignore the PM I sent to you around 10:00 AM today (RE: time line). You obviously found that info. Good research.

[islander]

i thought the 31 minute delay was relative to the length of the flight of the missle, ie, the flight took 31 minutes longer than expected. but your point is that the 31 minute delay is absolute, ie, it happens daily...i'll have to ponder that.

[gingergrant]

Wow, great theory, I could even follow it!

[Glenn2000]

Well, if you get into Quantum Physics and Schrodinger's cat, to be specific, there is the possiblilty that flight 815 split into two planes full of identical sets of passengers.

Again, quantum mechanics can be very strange. One of the strangest behaviors in particle physics is known as Superposition, which is the ability of a particle to occupy two different states simultaneously (like up and down, left and right, here and there, etc.). In the world we know, you cannot be both here and there, but in particle physics, a world of probability, chance, and duality, you can. This is one of those fabled Gedanken Experiments. And this ties into the time differential and the continual extension, or length of time between the island and the rest of the world.

So, Schrodinger's cat experiment says you place a cat in a sealed, steel box, along with a bottle of poison. In addition, a radioactive element is placed within the steel box. The decay of this radioactive element triggers a hammer, which breaks the bottle, releasing the poison and killing the cat. For the observer, outside of the box, you do not know when this radioactive decay happens. Because of the laws of Superposition, the radioactive element can occupy both states simultaneously, for the briefest moment. For that blink in time, the bottle is both broken and intact... the cat is both dead and alive, at the same time. This is a puzzle of science, but more important perhaps is the philosophical question of what does it mean to be both dead and alive?

So, by this hypothesis, the passengers of Oceanic Flight 815 are dead at the bottom of the ocean. AND they are ALIVE on the Island. They are both dead and alive. I told you that you would love this one. Since they are alive in the "past" of the Island's timeline, can they return to the present in which they are dead? I guess that is the ultimate question that we will have to watch the show tonight to find out. If Sayid and Desmond somehow make it to the freighter then it must be possible to get back to the future (no pun intended), but if the helicopter takes a swim in the ocean in the middle of the giant storm I guess the answer will be no...

[james220]

i thought the 31 minute delay was relative to the length of the flight of the missle, ie, the flight took 31 minutes longer than expected. but your point is that the 31 minute delay is absolute, ie, it happens daily...i'll have to ponder that.

This is the way I was first looking at it but I've since converted to thinking that maybe time moves about 30 times faster off of the island. Speaking in rough terms, the rocket should have been there in about 1 minute. Instead it took 30.

- So that's why the helicopter trip that should have taken 1 hour will take 30.
- Maybe that's why Richard, if he was a Black Rock crewmember, has only aged 5 years over the 150 since it wrecked.

Any other examples?

Again, all numbers above are only meant to be rough examples.

[islander]

This is the way I was first looking at it but I've since converted to thinking that maybe time moves about 30 times faster off of the island. Speaking in rough terms, the rocket should have been there in about 1 minute. Instead it took 30.

- So that's why the helicopter trip that should have taken 1 hour will take 30.
- Maybe that's why Richard, if he was a Black Rock crewmember, has only aged 5 years over the 150 since it wrecked.

Any other examples?

Again, all numbers above are only meant to be rough examples.

i follow. i'm not sure time is linear, but it's something to consider.

[4-8-15-16-23-42]

I think this theory (James) makes a lot of sense. I think that time is quite a bit more significant than being a couple of days behind. There really is no evidence of what the 31 minutes is relative to yet. Also, I believe that in another time line that was 815 that crashed. When the pilot said that was not his friend on tv, it wasn't, it was in fact himself.

[TuesdaySmith]

This is the way I was first looking at it but I've since converted to thinking that maybe time moves about 30 times faster off of the island. Speaking in rough terms, the rocket should have been there in about 1 minute. Instead it took 30.

- So that's why the helicopter trip that should have taken 1 hour will take 30.
- Maybe that's why Richard, if he was a Black Rock crewmember, has only aged 5 years over the 150 since it wrecked.

Any other examples?

Again, all numbers above are only meant to be rough examples.

I don't think this can be true because if you take the helicopter example, how would they travel 30 hours? How would the helicopter have enough gas, how would the pilot stay awake and focused? They definitely wouldn't be able to fly to and from the island with one tank of gas, and also Frank mentioned they were low on gas. It would seem to me that with what we know, time can't be moving 30x faster. Unless you can make sense of the 30 hour helicopter flight?

[bunnydixon]

maybe the helicopter only took 1 hour but on the island it seemed like 30?

[TheCAD]

Sorry, but this looks like gibberish to me.

I've seen scenes from movies/TV shows where pens/pencils/objects move because someone forgot to move them back to where they were supposed to be in different takes.

Do you really believe that something being slightly off=time warp?

This may have been intentional, but I think its just as likely that it wasn't.

[bunnydixon]

but daniels experiment practically proved there was some time anomoly going on so to call it gibberish is a little harsh.

[james220]

I don't think this can be true because if you take the helicopter example, how would they travel 30 hours? How would the helicopter have enough gas, how would the pilot stay awake and focused? They definitely wouldn't be able to fly to and from the island with one tank of gas, and also Frank mentioned they were low on gas. It would seem to me that with what we know, time can't be moving 30x faster. Unless you can make sense of the 30 hour helicopter flight?

Miss Bunny hits it on the head. I would think the helicopter trip only feels like an hour to Frank and his passengers.

[LS1234review]

someone said that a little "off timing" with the interation numbers is just a small thing and that it doesnt actually mean anything, these creators are the people who put extreme detail into EVERYTHING (that has something to do with the plot of the story), also someone pointed something out to me that i didnt recognize myself, how the flight took "8" hours, and i estimated (didnt actually do the math for it just took previous info and used rationalization) that every 8 hours has a 30 min (or 31) 18 sec time difference or whatever, you must know that out of the supposed 93 day they were there (at the end of season 3) that the 18 seconds added each day only puts out an extra 27 minutes (per interval ex. a day, or 12 hours 8 hours..etc.) so the extra seconds dont make such a HUGE difference although slightly, and if it is 31 minutes it would roughly add an extra hour and 20 some minutes, so this obviously wouldt do anything to sever, like i said originally, i brought this theory up only because of this delayed rocket experience with roussou, otherwise i believe that it could very well have possibly been an error, but since the rocket experience i certainly believe/convinced that the time is continuous ( 30 minutes per interval difference) i would be willing to bet ANYTHING that this will be shown later on in the show, i went off actual facts i found from the show, the numbers from the iterations were real and i used that to determine this, i think that the creators put that iteration in so lost geeks (like myself) would go back to season one to check it out and do some math (as i did) and check out to see if they really were on the island for 93 days, which apparently not, many of you say that splitting of 2 planes is a rediculous assumption but in theory, if time was split into two dimensions (like lost The Island vs. the Mainland) that the law of matter (matter cannot be created nor destroyed) is deminished, if you are a person who can believe that the time is different on the island than the mainland (as so obviously shown in the show itself not just me) you must be willing to accept that anythings possible, and even though a plane split is a crazy sounding theory, it is the most logical and reasonable theory for what the lost creators have given us to work with.

accept the fact: Time is definatley different on the island as to the mainland.

its been proven with math and the show itself, anythings possible from here on out

[beachblinkette]

Well, your theory sort of dovetails with Ben's warning that "every single LIVING person will die if the rescuers come." Are the 815 people dead already and it's the others who will be destroyed somehow? If the 06 cheat death will there be a course correction causing some kind of equalizing catastrophe?I do not understand this but I sure want to! There is a time warp of some kind here.

[LS1234review]

Well, your theory sort of dovetails with Ben's warning that "every single LIVING person will die if the rescuers come." Are the 815 people dead already and it's the others who will be destroyed somehow? If the 06 cheat death will there be a course correction causing some kind of equalizing catastrophe?I do not understand this but I sure want to! There is a time warp of some kind here.
ben says he says "every sing person ON THE ISLAND will die if you call rescue" if i sum it all up for you basicall what my theory means is

The island has a significantly noticable time difference, and from quantum physics, this tells me that it is very well possible that since this time for the island is different, the plane could have split into two dimensions ( dimensions meaning two time zones), basically the plane is flying and once it hit the area which has a different time change matter duplicated, hence the plane doubled one plane flew to the island, the other into the water, it is an explanation for why the other plane is in the water. i think that a "fake plane" that was planted to cover up for the airline is BS, who cares if the island crashed on an island or water? the plane still crashed, why would it matter where it is? depicting that anyone knows about the islands special powers, this could also be an explanation for the "orchid" intro video, how the rabbit appeared out of nowhere, i think he was from a different time zone. i think this season is centered around time travel/dimensions as many do not think so.