Another Masterful Set-Up

[losttime]

I think MIB/SMokey once again masterfully played another Lostie beside Locke.

I commented on many occassions that I think Jacob visiting the Losties off the Island was MIB pretending to be Jacob.

When he visits Hurley he tells him he isnt crazy and that he has a gift talking to dead people.

Well than Jacob shows up and tells Hurley he was killed an hr ago and that he has to save Sayid. Hurley believeing he is special doenst discredit Jacobs comments

Well perhaps Sayid already died before getting getting to the Temple and MIB appeared as Sayid in the van.

I think Smokey could have easily disposed of Sayid actual body when Hurley heard a noise and went looking for the sound.

Only time we ever hear those sounds was when Smokey appeared out of the jungle.

Case in point. Last season when Ben summoned Smokey and we hear noises coming from the jungle but who else appears but Locke.

Well same thing here.

The ash ring isnt laid down yet and Sayid is already in the Temple.

I thnk its the perfect set-up here.

Smokey actually in the Temple getting ready to use Sayid's appearance, who will be looked upon favorable because if his miraculous "return to life".

Havent we already seen this example with Locke?

I wasnt a victim of TPTB set-up for very long. I am on to them now.

Well I think I am LOL

Oh before you ask me how Sayid can be SMokey if Locke is also Smokey in the same time period.

Best answer I can give is we already seen the Smoke Monster appear as more than one cloud, like attacking Juliet on the other side of the sonic fence.

Well thats how he can do what he is doin.

And because Smokey knows the Temple and the healing it has he knows that one you are healed in it you lose your memory.

So this is just my little thought on the whole Sayid "back to life" subject.

Is my theory out there? Perhaps but many thought my theory on the ash ring and who locke really was after 316 was out there as well.

I think its possible. Will need to see more of Sayid to determine if this theory holds any water, no pun intended.

So whats anyone thoughts?

[The_Hoff]

As soon as Sayid "woke up", both my wife and I said it was "Smokie". I believe your idea holds a lot of merit and will prove itself in the next couple of episodes!

[JfromtheD]

Hate to say it, but I'm starting to think Notso may be right... there is another monster.

[BensBaby]

The Japanese guy and the one with the glasses made mention of the water not being clear, could smokey of been in the water waiting for Syaid? It would not surprise me if there were 2 smokies. Was Ben able to control one, when the freighter people had Alex and then killed her Ben ran into the closet and then smokie came out and kicked some butt. Did Ben release him?

[rachelskid]

Hate to say it, but I'm starting to think Notso may be right... there is another monster.

its really hard now to listen to theories from spoiled people. i all of a sudden have a lot of trepidation.

what do you mean monster? or do you mean entity. white smoke?

[losttime]

its really hard now to listen to theories from spoiled people. i all of a sudden have a lot of trepidation.

what do you mean monster? or do you mean entity. white smoke?

Well I am not and have not been going into SPOILER chats for a good 2 weeks so I dont know anythng about the validity of 2 Smoke monsters white and dark.

I am basing it on what I think is going on and seems to have some merit.

If Sayid was truly dead, i think it would be ridiculous that he was "brought back to life" and this would be a big case of the show "jumping the shark", to me.

Think that would really cheapen the story.

Being healed I am cool with even near death and being healed but to be dead and back to life, please dont be the case.

That would suck.

That means nothing is really at stake. Talk about a cop-out in writing.

[rachelskid]

Well I am not and have not been going into SPOILER chats for a good 2 weeks so I dont know anythng about the validity of 2 Smoke monsters white and dark.

I am basing it on what I think is going on and seems to have some merit.

If Sayid was truly dead, i think it would be ridiculous that he was "brought back to life" and this would be a big case of the show "jumping the shark", to me.

Think that would really cheapen the story.

Being healed I am cool with even near death and being healed but to be dead and back to life, please dont be the case.

That would suck.

That means nothing is really at stake. Talk about a cop-out in writing.

i'm sorry i was not referring to your comments, i was referring to the two monsters idea.

i have no idea whats happening. i am reluctant to speculate.

[steedo79]

I think MIB/SMokey once again masterfully played another Lostie beside Locke.

I commented on many occassions that I think Jacob visiting the Losties off the Island was MIB pretending to be Jacob.

When he visits Hurley he tells him he isnt crazy and that he has a gift talking to dead people.

Well than Jacob shows up and tells Hurley he was killed an hr ago and that he has to save Sayid. Hurley believeing he is special doenst discredit Jacobs comments

Well perhaps Sayid already died before getting getting to the Temple and MIB appeared as Sayid in the van.

I think Smokey could have easily disposed of Sayid actual body when Hurley heard a noise and went looking for the sound.

Only time we ever hear those sounds was when Smokey appeared out of the jungle.

Case in point. Last season when Ben summoned Smokey and we hear noises coming from the jungle but who else appears but Locke.

Well same thing here.

The ash ring isnt laid down yet and Sayid is already in the Temple.

I thnk its the perfect set-up here.

Smokey actually in the Temple getting ready to use Sayid's appearance, who will be looked upon favorable because if his miraculous "return to life".

Havent we already seen this example with Locke?

I wasnt a victim of TPTB set-up for very long. I am on to them now.

Well I think I am LOL

Oh before you ask me how Sayid can be SMokey if Locke is also Smokey in the same time period.

Best answer I can give is we already seen the Smoke Monster appear as more than one cloud, like attacking Juliet on the other side of the sonic fence.

Well thats how he can do what he is doin.

And because Smokey knows the Temple and the healing it has he knows that one you are healed in it you lose your memory.

So this is just my little thought on the whole Sayid "back to life" subject.

Is my theory out there? Perhaps but many thought my theory on the ash ring and who locke really was after 316 was out there as well.

I think its possible. Will need to see more of Sayid to determine if this theory holds any water, no pun intended.

So whats anyone thoughts?

sayid is not smoky! because the had his body the whole time someone was with it all the time except when hurly went and talked to jacob, and the reason i think he didnt take his form is cause hes still busy killing the people in the statue and taking out richard to carry back to the temple to use him as bait or a hostage to get into the temple that is currently being pepared for battle or defence of some thing that smoky/mib/smock needs to get bach to his home

[losttime]

i'm sorry i was not referring to your comments, i was referring to the two monsters idea.

i have no idea whats happening. i am reluctant to speculate.

Oh i know you werent referring to me I was just making it known that my comments are based on what i am seeing on the show and not extra tidbits from SPOILERS that are being leaked.

[JfromtheD]

i'm sorry i was not referring to your comments, i was referring to the two monsters idea.

i have no idea whats happening. i am reluctant to speculate.

I think that's a wussy way out, to claim something as your own, when you actually cheated.

I've never steered anyone wrong, here. If I know something, I don't comment.
That, I absolutely PROMISE. :)

LT's comment made me think about two monsters... it's not my theory, it's Notso's, and up until today, I never thought that to be true.

I don't understand what happened to Sayid... and I don't think the Monster can be two people at a time.

[losttime]

I think that's a wussy way out, to claim something as your own, when you actually cheated.

I've never steered anyone wrong, here. If I know something, I don't comment.
That, I absolutely PROMISE. :)

LT's comment made me think about two monsters... it's not my theory, it's Notso's, and up until today, I never thought that to be true.

I don't understand what happened to Sayid... and I don't think the Monster can be two people at a time.

Why not?

When Eko was in the jungle we see Smokey go by and hear the clicks than all of the sudden 2 of the men he killed are there in front of him, if i am not mistaking and in a split second the one guy begging for his life changes into the choir boy.

Boutte brought something up that I had also brought up many moons back that when they first got to the Island and they heard SMokey for the first time it seemed to be in more than one place.

All seemingly with the same agenda.

And my OP discusses why I think its still Smokey and nothing to do with Jacob.

Seems that those really in the know about Jacob and who he is were terrified that Jacob was dead.

If they believe people can come back from the dead then why did they looked so shock when Sayid appeared to come back from the dead and why wouldnt they think that Jacob might be able to do the same?

Seems they wanted to make sure that Smokey could not get into the Temple and infiltrate their inner sanctum

[JfromtheD]

I guess you're right... looks like there were actually three of them, who appeared.

****. :confused: :D

[losttime]

I guess you're right... looks like there were actually three of them, who appeared.

****. :confused: :D

Its just what I think is going on.

Just seems coincidental that Jacob tells HUrley in the cab that he isnt crazy because he can talk to dead people and then sure enough, Hurley meets this same person who tels him he is dead and he needs to get Sayid to the Temple

Sounds very much like Alex telling Ben to follow every word Lock has to say.

Well we all saw the end result of that little encounter.

To me its a pattern.

The set up and the deployment of it.

I know you know that i mentioned before I dont think Hurley is communicating with the dead but Smokey pretending to be these people who died.

I also brought up that i thought it was weird that only those who died on the Island that Hurley knew he communicates with

I do not include Christian because he isnt the only one who saw him and technically he did not communicate with him like he had with Charlie and Eko.

SO there is my backing for why I think what I think

[JfromtheD]

I figure Hurley is bouncing between realities, or should I say, he can speak to people from both.

Maybe Jacob just didn't want Sayid to die...

[notsolost42]

its really hard now to listen to theories from spoiled people. i all of a sudden have a lot of trepidation.

what do you mean monster? or do you mean entity. white smoke?

Yes, that's what I am thinking as a good possibility. It is not based on any spoilers and I never mention any spoiler info that I know in any of my posts or base my posts on spoiler info that I know. I think that there are a few people here who do but if I said who they were then you would be alerted to their spoilers! I think that it is just logical and fits with the theme of the show since day one that there is a white smoke monster. I am very analytical and that's just how I see it unfolding. In my mind, it makes perfect sense that there would be a white smoke monster.

[notsolost42]

I guess you're right... looks like there were actually three of them, who appeared.

****. :confused: :D

But that was them appearing at the same time and place, just like we have seen smokie break apart into smaller pieces moving on the island.

[rachelskid]

Yes, that's what I am thinking as a good possibility. It is not based on any spoilers and I never mention any spoiler info that I know in any of my posts or base my posts on spoiler info that I know. I think that there are a few people here who do but if I said who they were then you would be alerted to their spoilers! I think that it is just logical and fits with the theme of the show since day one that there is a white smoke monster. I am very analytical and that's just how I see it unfolding. In my mind, it makes perfect sense that there would be a white smoke monster.

sure. makes sense. white. black. white smoke. black smoke. jacob. mib. but, seems....lame *runs and hides from losties with flame torches*

its weirdly late in the game to add another monster. i know what the argument in response to this is...

[notsolost42]

sure. makes sense. white. black. white smoke. black smoke. jacob. mib. but, seems....lame *runs and hides from losties with flame torches*

its weirdly late in the game to add another monster. i know what the argument in response to this is...

*shoots flaming arrow warning over Rachelskid's head*

lol. Yeah, the "it's been there all along" response?

[rachelskid]

*shoots flaming arrow warning over Rachelskid's head*

lol. Yeah, the "it's been there all along" response?

yes that, and also, "look how late in the game they brought in MIB" but i say with somethings it works, with some its necessary to come late, and with others, it feels awkward. but maybe it won't in the end.

[notsolost42]

yes that, and also, "look how late in the game they brought in MIB" but i say with somethings it works, with some its necessary to come late, and with others, it feels awkward. but maybe it won't in the end.

Well, it has to be either that Jacob is white smoke or Jacob is keeping smokie prisioner on the island/dimension/universe and won't let him leave, hence the I just want to go home line.

[rachelskid]

well the tulpa theory is still a possibility. that they both have a ...monster to play with. hahahah.

jacob died. when they shot at smokie bullets went through him. no die. i am still very encouraged by the possibility that MIB is not smokey. flocke=smokey. particularly after jimmy kimmel last night. but there may still be some difference between the men and their toys, so to speak.

[notsolost42]

well the tulpa theory is still a possibility. that they both have a ...monster to play with. hahahah.

jacob died. when they shot at smokie bullets went through him. no die. i am still very encouraged by the possibility that MIB is not smokey. flocke=smokey. particularly after jimmy kimmel last night. but there may still be some difference between the men and their toys, so to speak.

No, I'm afraid but MIB = Smokie = deadLocke. Done deal.

[rachelskid]

No, I'm afraid but MIB = Smokie = deadLocke. Done deal.

yes. but MIB?

[yokogleeton]

I think that's a wussy way out, to claim something as your own, when you actually cheated.

I've never steered anyone wrong, here. If I know something, I don't comment.
That, I absolutely PROMISE. :)

LT's comment made me think about two monsters... it's not my theory, it's Notso's, and up until today, I never thought that to be true.

I don't understand what happened to Sayid... and I don't think the Monster can be two people at a time.

But why not? didn't smokey appear once as the group of guy Eko slaughtered in the church?

Dont get me wrong, i dont think this is what is going on with Sayid, but i have to consider possibilities.

What i think happened (once again wild speculation time.) is that when Jacob died, it clouded the spring. When the spring clouds it s healing power is inhibited, but i think there is something to the fact that before Sayid died/passed out/whatever he was talking about being a killer, and deserving what he gets...is it possible that the now corrupted well spring can only heal one with a damaged soul? like if you stuck hurley in there he'd be toast because he's an innocent, but since Sayid isn't he was healed?