"The Sickness"

[hyperRevue]

So, is that it?

Or is this something else?

[1hourisntlongenough]

So, is that it?

Or is this something else?

I was thinking the same......this must be the "sickness".

[Snape]

So, is that it?

Or is this something else?

GREAT catch.

Superb catch.

I think you're on to something.

[TuesdaySmith]

Yeah, I think so too!

Although I don't know exactly how or why it would affect EVERYONE on Danielle's team and not her, but still..

[Snape]

Yeah, I think so too!

Although I don't know exactly how or why it would affect EVERYONE on Danielle's team and not her, but still..

Well, I think that's obvious. Some people are "special" that way - for instance Faraday and Desmond (and surely others). Obviously, some people are not "special" that way - i.e. Sayid didn't have the same experience on the helicopter, just as Danielle didn't suffer from the "sickness".

[weldonryckman]

i think its due to exposure to unnatural level of radiation or electromagnetism, as faraday said in 96, he does experiments with radiation 20 times a day, but he wears cover on his body, but not his head. so he may just experience slight effects from the wormhole, while desmond operated around electromagnetism daily for 3 years, but without any protection.

[TuesdaySmith]

I don't think that's really "obvious". It would be obvious if more losties were affected, but they weren't, or if only one on the team was affected, but that's not true either.

[1hourisntlongenough]

I thought Faraday said it was a "side effect" from the heli ride if they were to skew away from the coordinates he gave them to come in and out on....he also asked if Des had been in contact with anything electromagnetic when they spoke to him from the freighter. maybe you only experience this when you have been

[LostFreak21]

So, is that it?

Or is this something else?

Good Job! I didn't even think of that. Smarty Pants!

[1hourisntlongenough]

i think its due to exposure to unnatural level of radiation or electromagnetism, as faraday said in 96, he does experiments with radiation 20 times a day, but he wears cover on his body, but not his head. so he may just experience slight effects from the wormhole, while desmond operated around electromagnetism daily for 3 years, but without any protection.

YES!!!!!! :)

[hyperRevue]

Good Job! I didn't even think of that. Smarty Pants!

::takes a bow::

:)

[TuesdaySmith]

Yeah, that totally explains Desmond.. I just don't understand how that would explain Danielles team.

[weldonryckman]

Faraday has exhibited since his first appearance episodes of memory loss. 1) he couldnt remember his name right away when jack asked him. 2) he didnt know why he was crying (this could be something else though) 3) he couldnt remember the cards 4) he didnt know where his journal was

[1hourisntlongenough]

Yeah, that totally explains Desmond.. I just don't understand how that would explain Danielles team.


Remember: we don't know her whole TRUE story for being there yet!!!! We don't know what they were exposed to before they got there......or anything else for that matter!! She's told different people different stories about the reason she and her team came to the island...

[hyperRevue]

Yeah. I wouldn't be that surprised is Danielle proved to be lying about all of that.

[TuesdaySmith]

Remember: we don't know her whole TRUE story for being there yet!!!! We don't know what they were exposed to before they got there......or anything else for that matter!! She's told different people different stories about the reason she and her team came to the island...

What are the different stories? I only know the one of her and her team on a boat.. they heard the transmission of the numbers, went to investigate, and got stranded...

[Archangel-Player]

i think its due to exposure to unnatural level of radiation or electromagnetism, as faraday said in 96, he does experiments with radiation 20 times a day, but he wears cover on his body, but not his head. so he may just experience slight effects from the wormhole, while desmond operated around electromagnetism daily for 3 years, but without any protection.
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Dan did get effected by the radiation. he has slight memorie lost. Butthanks to Desmond's intervention in time. Dan was able to have a constanten that would keep him in line just as Penny was Desmonds.


I think Desmond's reasons why he was travling wa sdue to teh extreame amout of EM he took when he use dteh faile safe key. That was a huge amount of store EM.

[Archangel-Player]

Yeah, I think so too!

Although I don't know exactly how or why it would affect EVERYONE on Danielle's team and not her, but still..
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Another great point. why wasn't Danielle effected if this was teh sam esickness she spoke of?

[LostFreak21]

Yeah. I wouldn't be that surprised is Danielle proved to be lying about all of that.

I think that too. She looks at Ben like there is something else going on with them.

[weldonryckman]

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Dan did get effected by the radiation. he has slight memorie lost. Butthanks to Desmond's intervention in time. Dan was able to have a constanten that would keep him in line just as Penny was Desmonds.


I think Desmond's reasons why he was travling wa sdue to teh extreame amout of EM he took when he use dteh faile safe key. That was a huge amount of store EM.

daniel's effects were reduced because of the lead jacket he wore when doing his experiments

[Archangel-Player]

Well, I think that's obvious. Some people are "special" that way - for instance Faraday and Desmond (and surely others). Obviously, some people are not "special" that way - i.e. Sayid didn't have the same experience on the helicopter, just as Danielle didn't suffer from the "sickness".
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Great point. Only a select few are effected. Reason. Because They are exposed to extreame high amounts of EM as Dan explained. Sayid had miner exposer being on the island. But Des had a full load put on him without protection when he turned that fail safe key. Dan was effected by his experiment as well. His head wasn't coverd so he sufferd memorie lost a lot. But when esmond intervine withhis time line in 96. It seems at the en dof the episode. Dan was able to find a constanten in Des which allowed him to finaly remeber his notes.

[Archangel-Player]

daniel's effects were reduced because of the lead jacket he wore when doing his experiments
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Ovcourse. That would only protect his torso though. Anything below the wighest or above the sholders are still eposed. That would be why his memorie was affected.

[jacksnurse]

can we assume that everyone on the island is being exposed to "some"level of EM and this is why women are infertile??One question though....why the hell do those cows look so healthy???lol

[naclu]

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Dan did get effected by the radiation. he has slight memorie lost. Butthanks to Desmond's intervention in time. Dan was able to have a constanten that would keep him in line just as Penny was Desmonds.


I think Desmond's reasons why he was travling wa sdue to teh extreame amout of EM he took when he use dteh faile safe key. That was a huge amount of store EM.

I think that this is a great point... the fact that desmond turned off the fail safe key and got a huge jolt of the EM at that time...

[Hanz Gropenfondel]

No, what happened to Desmond and Minkowski and will happen to Daniel is definitely NOT the sickness.
The sickness has something to do with what Dharma introduced into the population and I'm guessing it's airborne ... it could have even been the numbers playing over and over on radiowaves.

[Snape]

No, what happened to Desmond and Minkowski and will happen to Daniel is definitely NOT the sickness.
The sickness has something to do with what Dharma introduced into the population and I'm guessing it's airborne ... it could have even been the numbers playing over and over on radiowaves.

We have no idea what the "sickness" is that Danielle speaks of. And come on, they were a research team, so they were scientists, and [lots of] scientists play with radiation all the time.

I think it's entirely plausible that it's the same thing and can't be dismissed so summarily.

[Archangel-Player]

No, what happened to Desmond and Minkowski and will happen to Daniel is definitely NOT the sickness.
The sickness has something to do with what Dharma introduced into the population and I'm guessing it's airborne ... it could have even been the numbers playing over and over on radiowaves.
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Yeah, that'd be enough to make you go gun crazy. Could you imagine being locked in a room with that turned up full blast and no way to get out?
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Yeah because Daniele and her crew all enterd the island the same way. It makes realy no sense as to why they all got sick and she remand sane. Atleast for a longer point than them. Eventualy she starting to get a bit disturbed. But being on an island for 16 yrs tends to do that to ya.

[TuesdaySmith]

No, what happened to Desmond and Minkowski and will happen to Daniel is definitely NOT the sickness.
The sickness has something to do with what Dharma introduced into the population and I'm guessing it's airborne ... it could have even been the numbers playing over and over on radiowaves.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that! The sickness I mean.. it was part of the Dharma plan for the island natives, right?

[1hourisntlongenough]

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Yeah, that'd be enough to make you go gun crazy. Could you imagine being locked in a room with that turned up full blast and no way to get out?
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Yeah because Daniele and her crew all enterd the island the same way. It makes realy no sense as to why they all got sick and she remand sane. Atleast for a longer point than them. Eventualy she starting to get a bit disturbed. But being on an island for 16 yrs tends to do that to ya.

I don't know....Danielle was pregnant when she arrived on the island so she would have had to stay away from radiation....but her team didn't. maybe that's why she was the only one untouched by all that

[a1sacch]

No, what happened to Desmond and Minkowski and will happen to Daniel is definitely NOT the sickness.
The sickness has something to do with what Dharma introduced into the population and I'm guessing it's airborne ... it could have even been the numbers playing over and over on radiowaves.

This may have been established somewhere, but I can't focus on my time line.

Do you know how long ago, exactly, it was that Ben and his group of renegades destroyed and killed all the original dharma people?

We know Danielle has been on the island about 16 years, do these time frames match up. And If so, it would make sense that the w/e ben gave the original dharma people, danielle's team was affected by too.

[lost083]

Didn't Claire catch the sickness in one episode and remember desmond was injecting himself with w/e it was in the hatch. Then he stopped and a short time after he started to see into the future with charlie. And now his brain was going crazy jumping between 96 and 04.

[hyperRevue]

Didn't Claire catch the sickness in one episode and remember desmond was injecting himself with w/e it was in the hatch. Then he stopped and a short time after he started to see into the future with charlie. And now his brain was going crazy jumping between 96 and 04.

Danielle told Claire that Aaron had the sickness. But we don't know if that's true.

And Des started to see into the future after he turned the fail safe. Not after he stopped injecting himself.

[TuesdaySmith]

I just realized why it makes sense for Danielle's team to get the travel sickness, from something someone said in another thread..

Like Minkowski and his friend, Danielle's team crossed over the magnetic field at an angle where the flux would be most intense.. they were exposed to more magnetism than Desmond (by luck) or the helicopter (following exact coordinates) did while entering the field. This would explain why both Minkowski, his friend, and ALL of Danielle's team were affected. So, I'm again on board with the sickness being a side effect of the magnetism.

I still don't know why Danielle wasn't affected, but maybe it's because she was pregnant (although I guess that woudln't make much sense) or it's something unknown to us.

I've pretty much 100% convinced myself that the sickness Danielle is talking about is the side effect.

[Archangel-Player]

I just realized why it makes sense for Danielle's team to get the travel sickness, from something someone said in another thread..

Like Minkowski and his friend, Danielle's team crossed over the magnetic field at an angle where the flux would be most intense.. they were exposed to more magnetism than Desmond (by luck) or the helicopter (following exact coordinates) did while entering the field. This would explain why both Minkowski, his friend, and ALL of Danielle's team were affected. So, I'm again on board with the sickness being a side effect of the magnetism.

I still don't know why Danielle wasn't affected, but maybe it's because she was pregnant (although I guess that woudln't make much sense) or it's something unknown to us.

I've pretty much 100% convinced myself that the sickness Danielle is talking about is the side effect.
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yes it doese have a resemblance. But the only thing that doesn't add up is why Danielle wasn't affected. Unless what she told was made up as a cover story. Which I don't think it was. But at that time she was about mentaly gone. She is just now coming around to reality. So it's pauasble she did get affected. But doesn't realize it. I mean being mentaly disturbed can lead you to shoot your crew beliving them to be "sick"

[bunnydixon]

i think you could be right but am not writing off any other explanations yet. this is another thing to add to the list of possibilities lol!

[hyperRevue]

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yes it doese have a resemblance. But the only thing that doesn't add up is why Danielle wasn't affected. Unless what she told was made up as a cover story. Which I don't think it was. But at that time she was about mentaly gone. She is just now coming around to reality. So it's pauasble she did get affected. But doesn't realize it. I mean being mentaly disturbed can lead you to shoot your crew beliving them to be "sick"


Sayid and the pilot weren't effected. It's possible that Danielle just lucked out and the rest of her crew, for whatever reason, were more susceptible

[TuesdaySmith]

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yes it doese have a resemblance. But the only thing that doesn't add up is why Danielle wasn't affected. Unless what she told was made up as a cover story. Which I don't think it was. But at that time she was about mentaly gone. She is just now coming around to reality. So it's pauasble she did get affected. But doesn't realize it. I mean being mentaly disturbed can lead you to shoot your crew beliving them to be "sick"

I agree that it's strange, but I think it's entirely possible that something happened that prevented her from getting it..

It could have been luck or she could have been in a certain area of the ship where it was protected. I don't know, but it makes enough sense to me that I'm willing to let the Danielle thing go until we get more answers.. as in, I'm good with this theory and the Danielle part isn't enough to make me disbelieve it. I just really think that there could be a number of reasons why she wasn't affected.

[bunnydixon]

Didn't Claire catch the sickness in one episode and remember desmond was injecting himself with w/e it was in the hatch. Then he stopped and a short time after he started to see into the future with charlie. And now his brain was going crazy jumping between 96 and 04.

i think claire was drugged by juliet so she could cure her and gain the trust of the losties.

[Snape]

See my latest post here: http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1238&page=2

for why I think it's entirely believable Danielle is unaffected.

[ben5959]

Faraday has exhibited since his first appearance episodes of memory loss. 1) he couldnt remember his name right away when jack asked him. 2) he didnt know why he was crying (this could be something else though) 3) he couldnt remember the cards 4) he didnt know where his journal was

WAIT HUGE THOUGHT

When daniel was seen crying, his hair was short, when we saw daniel in 1996, his hair was long, seeing as he didnt know why he was crying leads me to believe that it was a side effect of him traveling to/away from the island. MEANING THAT THAT CLIP WAS ACTUALLY A FLASHFORWARD FROM DANIEL'S LIFE AFTER BEING ON THE ISLAND!!!!!! The writers are very careful with clues in their character's apparence ie using Jacks Beard as a timeline. I think Daniel's hair is also a timeline aid.

what are your thoughts

[hyperRevue]

WAIT HUGE THOUGHT

When daniel was seen crying, his hair was short, when we saw daniel in 1996, his hair was long, seeing as he didnt know why he was crying leads me to believe that it was a side effect of him traveling to/away from the island. MEANING THAT THAT CLIP WAS ACTUALLY A FLASHFORWARD FROM DANIEL'S LIFE AFTER BEING ON THE ISLAND!!!!!! The writers are very careful with clues in their character's apparence ie using Jacks Beard as a timeline. I think Daniel's hair is also a timeline aid.

what are your thoughts

Can you elaborate a bit.

His hair was long in 1996 then his hair was short in 2004.

I don't get the significance.

[ben5959]

Daniel's timeline

1996-Long hair, pre island, no side effects

2004-short hair, on island, minor side effects, minor memory loss, but regained

2004+-short hair, seen watching TV and crying, but doesnt know why,
there is also a wonman in the background that is taking care of him,
maybe these are memory loss effects caused by Daniel leaving th island

im proposing that that scene, where daniel is crying, was from Faraday's future and not his past because of how his hair is cut. He has been immobalized by the effects of leaving the island and has lost his memry, thats why hes crying.

The writers are very particular with hair styles and cuts and facial hair as to give us insight, ie Jacks beard

[hyperRevue]

Daniel's timeline

1996-Long hair, pre island, no side effects

2004-short hair, on island, minor side effects, minor memory loss, but regained

2004+-short hair, seen watching TV and crying, but doesnt know why,
there is also a wonman in the background that is taking care of him,
maybe these are memory loss effects caused by Daniel leaving th island

im proposing that that scene was from Faraday's future and not his past because of how his hair is cut. He has been immobalized by the effects of leaving the island and has lost his memry, thats why hes crying.

The writers are very particular with hair styles and cuts and facial hair as to give us insight, ie Jacks beard

hmmm...he had short hair when he was crying and he had short hair on the island, why do you assume the island short hair came first?

He was watching footage of the plane being discovered in the trench when we saw him crying. We know that happened before the freighter people came to the island because Naomi referenced them all being dead.

And if it was the future, and, let's say, the fake plane was found after the freight people came to the island, how do the Oceanic 6 fit into that reality?

[ben5959]

yah he was watching the crash my bad,
but still why the heck would he need a caretaker???????

[hyperRevue]

yah he was watching the crash my bad,
but still why the heck would he need a caretaker???????

Do we know she was a caretaker and not a girlfriend or something?

I think there is something important to the whole "why are you crying - I don't know" exchange. I just have no idea.

[stargazer]

One of the little subtitles that they show on the re-runs stated that she was his caregiver.

[hyperRevue]

One of the little subtitles that they show on the re-runs stated that she was his caregiver.

Ah. Interesting.

Well, I have no idea. But when Naomi is shown her team by the big black guy, she refers to him as a "head case."

[stargazer]

He's either a head case or a genius!

[skatertsol]

I totally buy into this.....Ok Desmond is to be his constant so he doesn't go whacko right? What if something happens to Desmond and he can't get into contact with him in the future, so when Daniel becomes unstuck in time he starts to go loopy-which is why he's got the caregiver in the first place? OR That was present-time-before they got the the island but after he'd met Desmond. I know Des wasn't one of the Oceanic 6-but maybe there was some clue to the island being tied with the Oceanic 6-and when they say "no survivors" on that staged boat at the bottom of the ocean-he feels like everything is coming together-or coming apart-the future and the past all tie into that one moment yet he can't figure out what it means and brings him to tears-why he doesn't know-


And I think someone (hans maybe) said that this isn't the sickness-that dharma unleashed it-Oh it is all tied in together-watch! I bet the Hanso Foundation, Penny's Dad, all of it is tied in and the Dharma people made them think it was something they needed to run around with gas masks on to protect themselves from only because they either didn't know or didn't want it to get out that it's really this flying thu time thing!!

[TuesdaySmith]

He's either a head case or a genius!

I've said this before somewhere else, but I really believe that true genius comes at a cost! I think he is both a headcase, and a genius.. or really, a headcase because he's a genius.

[jackchick]

I'm totally thinking Daniel has been to the island. I think he has or will shift thru time. At Kate's trial Jack says they landed in the water and Kate saved everyone. If only 8/6 survived a water crash then the rest of them sit on the Ocean floor. Naomi knows about it because it's the cover story could be pre-planned or they already know that the Losties are there from reconosince. Everyone get's to the island from a storm, or a plane crash, if it's an electromagnetic storm then everyone passing thru is vunerable to phase thru the time. Sayid, Frank, Danielle, no had the "side affect." Jack's flashforward, "we have to go back." he can't so obviously there people not affected.

I'm rambling all over here. Sorry it's just whirring away in my head!

[Archangel-Player]

Do we know she was a caretaker and not a girlfriend or something?

I think there is something important to the whole "why are you crying - I don't know" exchange. I just have no idea.
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It could deal with his time line changing due to Desmond's altering his time line. Like the thoughts whern't there yet. But his subconceants where picking up vibes like it feels a sad tail of sadness.

[Meditate]

Totally agree with you Archangel, this whole episode is so new to what we have seen so far in Lost. Those flashes whether they be past of future of the island... they will be key, and addressed I hope.