"I was supposed to die"

[natego]

I think this line is really important from Charlie on the plane. I don't know why though. Theories?

[stream]

yesterday I was convinced that because Charlie didn't die, that he was going into Sayids body, based on two things:
1. When Sayid sat au and said "what happened" he said it in Charlie's accent.

2. Carlton and Kuse said something on Kimmel, and I took them at their word - that Sayid WAS taken over by someone but not Jacob.

But now I am not sure because:

A. No one takes that serious
B. Nots said they were just being sarcastic or something

so I don't know

:(

[beachblinkette]

Looks like Charlie tried to swallow his bag o' dope but choked on it instead. If he had succeeded in ingesting that much heroin, it would have killed him. He would have died for no purpose that we know of. At least on the island he had found something worth dying for. The island appears to be a millstone for some, damnation or salvation for others, long life for a few, and a continuing mystery for our Losties. The island gave Charlie a form of redemption, freed him up from drugs and gave him a choice. As we saw on the plane, alone and isolated, he had no aim, no purpose and nothing to look forward to. Maybe Charlie hoped he would die and it's just that he supposed the swallowed dope would kill him. Charlie's soliloquy? ---- "I'm no good to anyone and I was supposed to die."

However, the writers can make of it what they will!!

[ck1]

my guess is that in the new 2004(safe landing) course correction is taking place, example :

on island jack saved charlie/new 2004 jack saves charlie

on island john could walk/new 2004 jack will repair lockes paralasis

on island christians body went missing/new 2004 christians body is missing

on island u.s. marshall sustained bad head injury before he died/new 2004 he has similar head injury and may still die

on island roses cancer was gone/new 2004 maybe this time the guy in australia was able to cure rose

on island kate was with claire when she gave birth/new 2004 kate is with claire and possibly is close to giving birth

[JfromtheD]

1. When Sayid sat au and said "what happened" he said it in Charlie's accent.
He has Naveen Andrews accent. :D

Which I hope is true, because his accent has been really going downhill, for a while.

[jlazarus]

my guess is that in the new 2004(safe landing) course correction is taking place, example :

on island jack saved charlie/new 2004 jack saves charlie

on island john could walk/new 2004 jack will repair lockes paralasis

on island christians body went missing/new 2004 christians body is missing

on island u.s. marshall sustained bad head injury before he died/new 2004 he has similar head injury and may still die

on island roses cancer was gone/new 2004 maybe this time the guy in australia was able to cure rose

on island kate was with claire when she gave birth/new 2004 kate is with claire and possibly is close to giving birth

Spot on. Totally agree.

[losttime]

2. Carlton and Kuse said something on Kimmel,


:(

Sorry this is just too funny to go ignored.


Do yu mean Carlton and Lindelof? LOL


Too funny Stream.

Not making fun of you, we all have done something like this as well.

Just thought it was funny thats all

[losttime]

my guess is that in the new 2004(safe landing) course correction is taking place, example :

on island jack saved charlie/new 2004 jack saves charlie

on island john could walk/new 2004 jack will repair lockes paralasis

on island christians body went missing/new 2004 christians body is missing

on island u.s. marshall sustained bad head injury before he died/new 2004 he has similar head injury and may still die

on island roses cancer was gone/new 2004 maybe this time the guy in australia was able to cure rose

on island kate was with claire when she gave birth/new 2004 kate is with claire and possibly is close to giving birth

This is another reason I think they are dreaming.

They are recalling experiences they already had but just now they are experiencing it as if they didnt crash on the Island.

[stream]

whoa, there I go typing allong trying to spell right and what do I do, jeeze, thanks LT I am so distracted these days I read that and I had to look again to see what you meant,lol got the lame-itosis or somethin
:D

[losttime]

whoa, there I go typing allong trying to spell right and what do I do, jeeze, thanks LT I am so distracted these days I read that and I had to look again to see what you meant,lol got the lame-itosis or somethin
:D

I wasnt making fun of spelling something wrong.

I was laughing because you said Carlton and cuse not Carlton and damon or carlton and lindelof.

I hope didnt insult you. Wasnt meant to.

Like i said we all been guilty of things like this, me included. And its been brought to our attention as being funny.

So sorry if i insulted you

[Dzbabykel]

my guess is that in the new 2004(safe landing) course correction is taking place, example :

on island jack saved charlie/new 2004 jack saves charlie

on island john could walk/new 2004 jack will repair lockes paralasis

on island christians body went missing/new 2004 christians body is missing

on island u.s. marshall sustained bad head injury before he died/new 2004 he has similar head injury and may still die

on island roses cancer was gone/new 2004 maybe this time the guy in australia was able to cure rose

on island kate was with claire when she gave birth/new 2004 kate is with claire and possibly is close to giving birth

Couldn't have said it better myself...and just to add a few more:

* On island Jack asks for a pen to help save someone/new 2004 Jack asks for a pen to help save Charlie

* On island Sun pretends to not speak English out of fear her husband will find out/new 2004 Sun does the same thing (although she potentially may have never learned the language)

[abcd1234]

They cut out the beginning of this conversation where Jack asks Charlie what his new band is called. it is "I was supposed to die" - its like an egyptian pyramid Devo

[natego]

my guess is that in the new 2004(safe landing) course correction is taking place, example :

on island jack saved charlie/new 2004 jack saves charlie

on island john could walk/new 2004 jack will repair lockes paralasis

on island christians body went missing/new 2004 christians body is missing

on island u.s. marshall sustained bad head injury before he died/new 2004 he has similar head injury and may still die

on island roses cancer was gone/new 2004 maybe this time the guy in australia was able to cure rose

on island kate was with claire when she gave birth/new 2004 kate is with claire and possibly is close to giving birth

I like much of this - except i think the US Marshall bit is a bit of a stretch. I don't think the Marshall is very significant to the plot.

[Dzbabykel]

Also another one I noticed was that when they start carrying Charlie off the plane they grab his guitar away from him and you can see how hurt he is by this. It's sort of the same when his guitar case goes missing and Locke tells him he'll help him find it but has to give him the drugs.

On island Charlie gives his drugs up and finds his guitar case/new 2004 Charlie is forced to give up his drugs and may eventually get his guitar back (stretch I know)

[abcd1234]

They cut out the beginning of this conversation where Jack asks Charlie what his new band is called. it is "I was supposed to die" - its like an egyptian pyramid Devo

[ck1]

Couldn't have said it better myself...and just to add a few more:

* On island Jack asks for a pen to help save someone/new 2004 Jack asks for a pen to help save Charlie

* On island Sun pretends to not speak English out of fear her husband will find out/new 2004 Sun does the same thing (although she potentially may have never learned the language)

nice catch dz, will add these to my post of this thanks :D

[Moxy]

I'm by no means disagreeing on this but i didn't hear Charlie's accent when Sayid spoke

"Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner" so I just can't hear any change ;)

PS Was Sayid with Jack when he saved Charlie on the island?

[ck1]

I'm by no means disagreeing on this but i didn't hear Charlie's accent when Sayid spoke

"Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner" so I just can't hear any change ;)

PS Was Sayid with Jack when he saved Charlie on the island?

no it was just jack and kate.

i reckon this whole sayid being charlie thing is way wrong,yes the english accent thing was a bit weird but could be naveen andrews accent just coming through too much.

[Moxy]

no it was just jack and kate.

i reckon this whole sayid being charlie thing is way wrong,yes the english accent thing was a bit weird but could be naveen andrews accent just coming through too much.

I agree, i think Sayid's just sayid, but who knows :D

[Greg Lafluer]

yesterday I was convinced that because Charlie didn't die, that he was going into Sayids body, based on two things:
1. When Sayid sat au and said "what happened" he said it in Charlie's accent.

2. Carlton and Kuse said something on Kimmel, and I took them at their word - that Sayid WAS taken over by someone but not Jacob.

But now I am not sure because:

A. No one takes that serious
B. Nots said they were just being sarcastic or something

so I don't know

:(

come on now evry 1... sayid always had a accent but from waking up from being shot and not just being shot sayid was unconcious for the time jump/ bomb explosion so keep that in mind..this might be the same sayid

[Sox1Series]

my guess is that in the new 2004(safe landing) course correction is taking place, example :

on island jack saved charlie/new 2004 jack saves charlie



When Jack was trying to revive Sayid in the temple, I immediately thought of Jack trying to save Charlie in the jungle. He had the same temperment and determination and Kate was telling him "it's too late, stop..". Both scenes were very similar.

By the way, I agree with your connections, they are very interesting.

[gregmasciola]

When Jack was trying to revive Sayid in the temple, I immediately thought of Jack trying to save Charlie in the jungle. He had the same temperment and determination and Kate was telling him "it's too late, stop..". Both scenes were very similar.

By the way, I agree with your connections, they are very interesting.

I thought of that scene, too. I was expecting Jack to just keep pounding on Sayid's chest until he came back.

[friendly1013]

I got a funny feeling when Charlie was revived and what did say? I forget, but it was as if he had tried to kill himself several times and could not, that some how fate kept stepping in and saving him when circumstances would have normally killed him (such as swalling a bag of heroin)

Strange, because on the Island, Charlie did NOT want to die, but fate kept trying to kill him, and desmond would change the circumstance and save him in the nick of time, but try as he might to stay alive, eventually he was going to die.

[natego]

I got a funny feeling when Charlie was revived and what did say? I forget, but it was as if he had tried to kill himself several times and could not, that some how fate kept stepping in and saving him when circumstances would have normally killed him (such as swalling a bag of heroin)

Strange, because on the Island, Charlie did NOT want to die, but fate kept trying to kill him, and desmond would change the circumstance and save him in the nick of time, but try as he might to stay alive, eventually he was going to die.

He said "Am I alive?" .... "Terrific"

Actually, now that I think of it, the fact he says "Am I alive" is a bit weird and suspicious.

[headscratch]

that Micahel (Walt's father) could not die. Like in the alley when he tried to shoot himself. If I recall correctly, that other fellow (the big guy) told him he could not die no matter what he wanted to do. The gun would not go off. He just could not do it no matter how hard he tried. Yes, Charlie said he was supposed to die, but clearly Charlies is wrong.

[LostInSpaceTime]

on island roses cancer was gone/new 2004 maybe this time the guy in australia was able to cure rose

i am not sure roses cancer is gone...in roses australia flashback she tells the guy you will not tell him because i want our time left together to be happy...i think she could be pretending because she told bernard that it worked

[Brother Desmond]

i am not sure roses cancer is gone...in roses australia flashback she tells the guy you will not tell him because i want our time left together to be happy...i think she could be pretending because she told bernard that it worked

It is also possible that Rose never gets cancer in this reality. On the plane Hurley mentions how he is the luckiest guy in the world, which is pretty much the complete opposite of his attitue on the original flight. Could be the same for Rose - no cancer at all.

And if she did have cancer it is possible that the person Rose and Bernard went to see in Australia was able to cure her this time.

[rachelskid]

I got a funny feeling when Charlie was revived and what did say? I forget, but it was as if he had tried to kill himself several times and could not, that some how fate kept stepping in and saving him when circumstances would have normally killed him (such as swalling a bag of heroin)

Strange, because on the Island, Charlie did NOT want to die, but fate kept trying to kill him, and desmond would change the circumstance and save him in the nick of time, but try as he might to stay alive, eventually he was going to die.

its bizzaro world! like in seinfeld. its all backwards...

He said "Am I alive?" .... "Terrific"

Actually, now that I think of it, the fact he says "Am I alive" is a bit weird and suspicious.

Fun Fact: at comic-con when Dom M walked out at the end of lost panel he throw up his hand (ala not penny's boat) and written on it was "Am I Alive?" DM's first line of the show: "Am I Alive?

carry on.

[evilcow]

POSSIBLE SPOILER-REFERENCES CLIP RELEASED FROM "WHAT KATE DOES"

I don't think that Kate helps Claire give birth. I did for a bit, but then I watched a clip from the next episode, and Claire just runs off. (She is pregnant, btw, for the people who think she might not be)

[stream]

I wasnt making fun of spelling something wrong.

I was laughing because you said Carlton and cuse not Carlton and damon or carlton and lindelof.

I hope didnt insult you. Wasnt meant to.

Like i said we all been guilty of things like this, me included. And its been brought to our attention as being funny.

So sorry if i insulted you

no not at all, I was just silly, not seeing what was wrong at first, of course I meant Lindorf n Cuse, but I was so into weather or not I still believed my yesterdays theory about Charlie that I might have said that more than once! lol no thanks for pointing that out so I don't go around plowing thru threads looking like a silly a$$ (I mean more than usual) trying to dispute or back up whatever. No it's cool we all hit post and think "what did I say" - or just go on and don't check -
:D he he
you, LT, have permission to tell me if I am saying dumb stuff from now on

[Dead but Here]

I got a funny feeling when Charlie was revived and what did say? I forget, but it was as if he had tried to kill himself several times and could not, that some how fate kept stepping in and saving him when circumstances would have normally killed him (such as swalling a bag of heroin)

Strange, because on the Island, Charlie did NOT want to die, but fate kept trying to kill him, and desmond would change the circumstance and save him in the nick of time, but try as he might to stay alive, eventually he was going to die.

Charlie was constantly almost dying. This makes me wonder about Desmond's visions a little. Charlie moved or he wouldn't have survived the crash. He was almost crushed by a service cart. He was standing next to the engine for a little bit before it sucked that one guy in and blew up. He had a huge hunk O plane land right next to him. He got chased by the smoke monster... and that was all in the pilot. He's been hung, shot at, stepped in a booby trap, almost fell off the suspension bridge, was in a cave in, was in the imploding hatch... He was constantly two inches from death and came out without a scratch most of the time. Seriously, if Des had visions of any of those things he'd be sure Charlie was going to die every time.

And now we have new Charlie trying to kill himself and coming out of it without a scratch. Well... maybe a sore throat from Jack shoving his whole hand down there. That had to be a fun scene to play. Hope Foxy washed his hands. (before and after)

[Lost Down Under]

POSSIBLE SPOILER-REFERENCES CLIP RELEASED FROM "WHAT KATE DOES"

I don't think that Kate helps Claire give birth. I did for a bit, but then I watched a clip from the next episode, and Claire just runs off. (She is pregnant, btw, for the people who think she might not be)

Seriously, there was NO need for this post to be in here. Why would you post a possible spoiler reference? This "clip" may be on US TV adverts, but it isn't here in Australia, so could you please post "possible spoiler references" in the "spoiler section".

Thanks.

[ck1]

i think it was made pretty clear that she was infact prgnant and maybe even close to labour by her reactions in the cab.