A Few Thoughts About the Statue and the "Ash"

[notsolost42]

A thought struck me a little while ago. It may sound "out there" to many of you but just think about it and that it could be possible. I am talking about the statue of Taweret and the protective ash used by the Others.

Okay, so here's my thoughts. First, Taweret was the ancient Egyptian goddess of maternity and childbirth. She was also the protector of Egyptian children. Taweret faced the northern skies because she was thought to keep the northern skies, which were thought of as a place of darkness, cold, mist and rain, free from evil. She was the guardian of the north, letting only the worthy spirits move on. Just as a reference point for you, Ra took the spirits by boat through the darkness until they reached the light, or the after life. Taweret also represented the constellation Draco, or dragon. There was a reference in Latin made on the Swan blast door map to dragons. It said, "Hic sunt dracones, which means "Here be dragons." by the Pearl ? in the center of the map. It was thought to have been used on old maps to show uncharted, dangerous waters. So, Taweret is also associated wth magic. And especially of a magic knife, that sounds so interesting, and an ankh.

Now, what I was thinking is this. Maybe all of the fertility problems on the island came about after the destruction of the statue. Maybe the whispers are the souls that could not pass on to the after life, so to speak, or the other side. Maybe her magic knife has something to do with what Ben used to kill Jacob. But, here's the kicker. I think that the ash being used by the Others as protection is from the remnants of the statue. There is a copious amount of this "ash," which we only assume to be ash. Think about it. It's far too much ash to be from a human that was cremated. Jacob had this ash spread around his cabin as a form of protection. The Others immediately began spreading this ash around the grounds of the temple for protection when they knew Jacob was dead. And Bram happen to have a sac of this ash that he tried to use as protection from smokie in the foot of the statue. Way, way too much ash to be from Jacob. Besides, if you noticed, Jacob's body disappeared from the fire and deadLocke even said to Ben that he's not there anymore.

How did the statue turn to dust? I was thinking that maybe the hydrogen bomb did that. A bomb such as that would completely pulverize stone. Turn it to dust. I think that the Others all have this dust for protection because it is still from Taweret and still will protect them from evil. It's not a big leap to think that the bomb sunk the island and pulverized the statue. But it is a leap to get to the part of the Others picking up and moving to another reality. I know there is a question about when the statue was felled but the thing is, I believe we are all assuming it was destroyed before the DI set up shop. Maybe, just maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was destroyed by Jughead. And, there is that line between Sun and Ben about the foot and Ben tells Sun that it's always been that way ever since he came to the island, but she didn't believe him.

Just some thoughts I wanted to write out. Okay, I know you'll all have at it, as usual.

[notpenny]

I like what you're saying, but I have a question how did they survive the explosion? If Jughead explodes and destroys the statue, how do people survive? What if the Black Rock which had all that bloody dynamite had something to do with the destruction of the tower? But then how did it end up in the middle of the jungle? I feel like the DI trapping the Electromagnetism may have something to do with the fertility issues.

[notsolost42]

I like what you're saying, but I have a question how did they survive the explosion? If Jughead explodes and destroys the statue, how do people survive? What if the Black Rock which had all that bloody dynamite had something to do with the destruction of the tower? But then how did it end up in the middle of the jungle? I feel like the DI trapping the Electromagnetism may have something to do with the fertility issues.

I think that we are watching at least 2 worlds and probably 3. The 2004 timeline is the world where jughead destroyed the island and sank it. We are also watching the 2007 world, which is the future of the island after the bomb was detonated. I say that in that world, it either failed to detonate or the em was so strong that it just "inhaled" the energy from the bomb. It was the em from the dig site that flashed the losties into 2007. I definitely think the ash is from the statue dust and that's why it is so important to the Others. As the first show before the preview said, the Others are the original inhabitants of the island. They could be decended from the ancient egyptians.

[JfromtheD]

Two separate, and different collapses...
- One, it collapses dry, turning the remnants to powder..
- And another, it collapses and ends up wet, so to speak.

[jlazarus]

I think that we are watching at least 2 worlds and probably 3. The 2004 timeline is the world where jughead destroyed the island and sank it. We are also watching the 2007 world, which is the future of the island after the bomb was detonated. I say that in that world, it either failed to detonate or the em was so strong that it just "inhaled" the energy from the bomb. It was the em from the dig site that flashed the losties into 2007. I definitely think the ash is from the statue dust and that's why it is so important to the Others. As the first show before the preview said, the Others are the original inhabitants of the island. They could be decended from the ancient egyptians.
I like that you think out of the box :)

My question would only bet that if there was enough energy to pulverize the statue, why would the swing set, sonar fence, etc...still be standing (underwater)...or did I interpret that scene incorrectly?

RE: The ash...that's a great thought about the ash....I also think the ash may be ash from the fire pit in the foot of the statue...perhaps jacob is like a phoenix and has risen from the ashes previously? perhaps his 'ashes' have power.

But I also like your thoughts as well...gives me something else to ponder!

[navyguy]

Notso, you know I always love your theories. You are a very deep thinking woman. Its very good but please allow me to gut it a little bit as far as the fate of Taweret. You are very right the H-bomb has the capability of sinking the island and destroying the statue BUT recall the underwater scene. Dharmaville is still intact. If the bomb sunk the island, not only would it destroy the statue, but it would level the village as well.

Also notice the difference in the vicinity of the statue in alt world, a piece of one of her ankhs is still there.

[notsolost42]

I like that you think out of the box :)

My question would only bet that if there was enough energy to pulverize the statue, why would the swing set, sonar fence, etc...still be standing (underwater)...or did I interpret that scene incorrectly?

RE: The ash...that's a great thought about the ash....I also think the ash may be ash from the fire pit in the foot of the statue...perhaps jacob is like a phoenix and has risen from the ashes previously? perhaps his 'ashes' have power.

But I also like your thoughts as well...gives me something else to ponder!

Definitely too much ash around to have come from the firepit in the foot abd I don't buy that it's cremated bodies either. Bram had that bag of ash with him when he arrived on 316, right? If not, then where did it come from? Gotta go with occham's razor for now...he brought it with him. If the bomb did go off underground it would not have caused a huge amount of devistation to the houses, etc. It would be more like how an earthquake would effect them and it would depend just how far away it was also. Take into consideration that we really didn't have a clear picture of them either. With the bomb being detonated underground perhaps the shock waves effected the statue more because it was closer to the site or because it was a much older contruction and so tall. Hard to really say but this is my thought for now.

[notsolost42]

Notso, you know I always love your theories. You are a very deep thinking woman. Its very good but please allow me to gut it a little bit as far as the fate of Taweret. You are very right the H-bomb has the capability of sinking the island and destroying the statue BUT recall the underwater scene. Dharmaville is still intact. If the bomb sunk the island, not only would it destroy the statue, but it would level the village as well.

Also notice the difference in the vicinity of the statue in alt world, a piece of one of her ankhs is still there.

Navyguy, keep in mind the island is not really an island as we know one to be. Obviously, we are looking at two different worlds. The 2004 world with the island under the water and the 2007 world where the Others have the ash.

[notsolost42]

Two separate, and different collapses...
- One, it collapses dry, turning the remnants to powder..
- And another, it collapses and ends up wet, so to speak.

There you go. One where the bomb did not detonate but the em caused the time shift for the losties to the future of that island and one where it did detonate and sank the island. A split in time, two worlds, two realities.

[Captain67]

bomb never went off. If it had, it would have destroyed the vegetation around the blast. Although it was just the core of the bomb, it still had enough power to kill the vegetation and lay it down like wheat on a fall harvest. you would not survive it ! you would Not be laying around beside the blast unconscious. you would be like hamburger..if some how you survived some how, you wouldnt be thinking about anything but getting you ass far - far Away as fast as you could.

This looks more like what happen the the hatch brew up the first time; when we saw it. if the bomb went off; It would have mushroom up and would have been visible and would have shook the whole Island. IMHO

[losttime]

bomb never went off. If it had, it would have destroyed the vegetation around the blast. Although it was just the core of the bomb, it still had enough power to kill the vegetation and lay it down like wheat on a fall harvest. you would not survive it ! you would Not be laying around beside the blast unconscious. you would be like hamburger..if some how you survived some how, you wouldnt be thinking about anything but getting you ass far - far Away as fast as you could.

This looks more like what happen the the hatch brew up the first time; when we saw it. if the bomb went off; It would have mushroom up and would have been visible and would have shook the whole Island. IMHO

That is what would happene but I think because if the EM charge was getting stronger and stronger it contained the blast to right over the pocket.

And at the same time the Losties time-skipped to 2007.

I dont recall each time they time skipped that they became hard of hearing as Jin eluded to that fact. I know they got headaches and nose bleedsd but not muffled hearing

I am guessing TPTB are doing their typical scenes where the debate will go on until they decide to resolve it.

[Captain67]

That is what would happene but I think because if the EM charge was getting stronger and stronger it contained the blast to right over the pocket.

And at the same time the Losties time-skipped to 2007.

I dont recall each time they time skipped that they became hard of hearing as Jin eluded to that fact. I know they got headaches and nose bleedsd but not muffled hearing

I am guessing TPTB are doing their typical scenes where the debate will go on until they decide to resolve it.

I didn't see any residue on the remaining structures. It appears a blast upwards Carving out the construction area - It looks just like it did when the hatch blew up. we saw the hatch door flying around... dropping from the sky next to the losties.. Funny I remember esp. they were just looking at it is if it wasn't any big deal. If, that were to happen around a group of people in real life; they would be freaking out..

In the last esp. they show Kate walking up to the blast site.. when you stop it, it is clearly a painted picture they made, but if that was a blast; it side of the blast area would be smooth and not jagged..

[losttime]

I didn't see any residue on the remaining structures. It appears a blast upwards Carving out the construction area - It looks just like it did when the hatch blew up. we saw the hatch door flying around... dropping from the sky next to the losties.. Funny I remember esp. they were just looking at it is if it wasn't any big deal. If, that were to happen around a group of people in real life; they would be freaking out..

In the last esp. they show Kate walking up to the blast site.. when you stop it, it is clearly a painted picture they made, but if that was a blast; it side of the blast area would be smooth and not jagged..

But what we are seeing is the result of Desmond turning the fail saf ekey and not the bomb detonating.

So the results of that are not known because we passed those events of 1977 directly after the bomb detonated and saw the results of Desond turning the key.

[lilsev42]

I'm 100 % on the bomb not doing what we saw to the island.Yes,it's not like any island that we are use to.Yes,it could've have done it,but I'm noit buyin' that.The EM made them jump,so the bomb could have went off or could just be like alot of the bombs from that era (they were more dangerous with the leaks and not actually ever going off)it could be a dud after all the moving and displacing it or it could have even jumped with them and they never saw it-or it didn't jump with the .It could have stayed back in time ,or just sucked in to the pocket of matter.I believe the island can survive the way they showed us at the first(underwater)the have a wall around the temple so people can't see it and all the underground tunnels,plus the statue is at the edge of the island,alot of reasons it's the way it looked.It's just a small piece of a bigger picture.

[notsolost42]

Maybe all the Others really grow gills, too. :rolleyes:

[woogie]

I thought we clearly saw that the statue was no longer present in 1977 when the Losties flashed there...if thats the case it was destroyed before the incident.

[notsolost42]

I thought we clearly saw that the statue was no longer present in 1977 when the Losties flashed there...if thats the case it was destroyed before the incident.

No, as a matter of fact, the statue was not seen at all in the DI years on the island with out losties.

[rachelskid]

No, as a matter of fact, the statue was not seen at all in the DI years on the island with out losties.

neither was smokey...right?

[notsolost42]

neither was smokey...right?

Right. All we know is that the DI built the sonic fence to keep something out and that Horace was very surprised that Richard was able to cross it.

[rachelskid]

Right. All we know is that the DI built the sonic fence to keep something out and that Horace was very surprised that Richard was able to cross it.

it kept people out, or it could have. we saw its effect on sawyer et al.

when did smokey come into existence, exactly?

[notsolost42]

it kept people out, or it could have. we saw its effect on sawyer et al.

when did smokey come into existence, exactly?

Good question that has yet to be explained. But, I think it will be addressed.

[wiley]

The smoke monster has been in every season starting with the pilot.
Apparently it's existence is ancient, based on the glyphs and chamber at the temple.

[rock-lobster]

my impression on the ash was that it was just plain ol' ash, but the statue thing sounds kinda cool. i also like the idea that the ash is related to the volcano.

[TheNagual]

There you go. One where the bomb did not detonate but the em caused the time shift for the losties to the future of that island and one where it did detonate and sank the island. A split in time, two worlds, two realities.
I think the island's been under water since Ben moved it and made that small ripple in the water that we saw.

[notsolost42]

I think the island's been under water since Ben moved it and made that small ripple in the water that we saw.

Thank you for quoting JD's wonderful new theory. I think HIS theory is great.

[TheNagual]

I'm 100 % on the bomb not doing what we saw to the island.Yes,it's not like any island that we are use to.Yes,it could've have done it,but I'm noit buyin' that.The EM made them jump,so the bomb could have went off or could just be like alot of the bombs from that era (they were more dangerous with the leaks and not actually ever going off)it could be a dud after all the moving and displacing it or it could have even jumped with them and they never saw it-or it didn't jump with the .It could have stayed back in time ,or just sucked in to the pocket of matter.I believe the island can survive the way they showed us at the first(underwater)the have a wall around the temple so people can't see it and all the underground tunnels,plus the statue is at the edge of the island,alot of reasons it's the way it looked.It's just a small piece of a bigger picture.
I think Jacob's death was the actual Incident and what brought them back in time or at least it didnt just happen coincidentally at the same time with the bomb.

[TheNagual]

Thank you for quoting JD's wonderful new theory. I think HIS theory is great.
I didnt see his theory, it just came as a logical conclusion.

[LissaMarie]

Just catching up on all of these threads now.

So, if you're theorizing that the ash comes from the statue, wouldn't the statue have to have been constructed from indigenous materials from the island? Is the fact that it came from the statue what makes it offensive to Smokie or the materials it's made up of?

[notsolost42]

Just catching up on all of these threads now.

So, if you're theorizing that the ash comes from the statue, wouldn't the statue have to have been constructed from indigenous materials from the island? Is the fact that it came from the statue what makes it offensive to Smokie or the materials it's made up of?

I think it's because of who the statue is...Taweret.

[losttime]

Just catching up on all of these threads now.

So, if you're theorizing that the ash comes from the statue, wouldn't the statue have to have been constructed from indigenous materials from the island? Is the fact that it came from the statue what makes it offensive to Smokie or the materials it's made up of?

We saw Smokey in the statue moving about in Smoke form freely, otherthan the ash ring around Bram, and materialized as Locke and moved about freely as well.

So i guess we are to assume that the statue has to be ground down to an ash before it has any effect on Smokey.

Throw in an anti-smokey prayer and voila, anti-Smokey ash. LOL