If Sayid is dead....

[islander]

ICBW but the dead who become "alive" don't do anything physical, do they? They advise, consult, give directions, guide others, but they need to manipulate other people who have not previously died to carry out their instructions. Sayid attacked Keamy and his men to free Ben for Richard. Christian couldn't assist Locke turn the FDW. Michael had to assist Christian in blowing up the freighter. Flocke needed Ben to kill Jacob. Alex tells Ben to do what Flocke tells him to do. Other than when Richard knocked out Ellie, he only advises also. I'm sure there are other examples, but those are the few that come to mind.

So if Sayid died and is now Jacob, how does he physically do anything to MIB? :confused:

[wvugurl]

i don't know..maybe that they appear to take presence of someones else's body (even though i know lockes actual body is still in the casket), but maybe if they aren't actually themselves, and someone else, they can actually maybe fight one another...the only thing i could think of if jacob took over sayid, the only logical reasoning i could think of was that sayid would be the only one who could actually kick lockes butt...

[notsolost42]

Islander, I don't think Sayid is Jacob. It makes no sense. But, check this out.
I just rewatched part 2 again and payed particular attention to Sayid when he was reawakened. He has no Iraqi accent anymore. It dawned on me that we have had this happen before:

1. When Kate was back in LA and had her "dream" of Claire sitting at Aaron's bedside she said "Don't bring him back, Kate, don't you dare bring him back." She had absolutely no accent when she said this. I think she is one of the awakened ones.

2. There were scenes with Jin after the freighter exploded and the time flashes. I wish I could remember which they were, but again, Jin had no accent. Jin may be one of the awakened ones.

3. Now we have Sayid, awakened again after being dunked in the spring by Dogen's men and with his first words he had no Iraqi accent. Sayid is one of the awakened ones.

I am not entirely sure what this means other than they are now "true" Others maybe or the undead as some call them. I happen to believe that Christian is also one of them. Somehow, Christian never made it back in the final split of time after the bomb and back into 2004. I also noticed that strange, easy going confidence that Locke now has in the 2004 timeline. I read on another thread that TPTB said Locke lied on the plane about going on his walkabout. Something in the way he spoke to Jack at the airport claims office made me think that Locke is not John Locke, again...I am wondering if he is Christian. BTW, I am absolutely not a believer that Christian is smokie. Nope, nada, nill. Anyway, those were some observations about the "dead" people with no accents anymore.

[wvugurl]

Islander, I don't think Sayid is Jacob. It makes no sense. But, check this out.
I just rewatched part 2 again and payed particular attention to Sayid when he was reawakened. He has no Iraqi accent anymore. It dawned on me that we have had this happen before:

1. When Kate was back in LA and had her "dream" of Claire sitting at Aaron's bedside she said "Don't bring him back, Kate, don't you dare bring him back." She had absolutely no accent when she said this. I think she is one of the awakened ones.

2. There were scenes with Jin after the freighter exploded and the time flashes. I wish I could remember which they were, but again, Jin had no accent. Jin may be one of the awakened ones.

3. Now we have Sayid, awakened again after being dunked in the spring by Dogen's men and with his first words he had no Iraqi accent. Sayid is one of the awakened ones.

I am not entirely sure what this means other than they are now "true" Others maybe or the undead as some call them. I happen to believe that Christian is also one of them. Somehow, Christian never made it back in the final split of time after the bomb and back into 2004. I also noticed that strange, easy going confidence that Locke now has in the 2004 timeline. I read on another thread that TPTB said Locke lied on the plane about going on his walkabout. Something in the way he spoke to Jack at the airport claims office made me think that Locke is not John Locke, again...I am wondering if he is Christian. BTW, I am absolutely not a believer that Christian is smokie. Nope, nada, nill. Anyway, those were some observations about the "dead" people with no accents anymore.

I am not sure on the accent thing..Jin had thick accent from the time he was found in 1977 and through this week..Do I think he is alive..well I don't think so, that was one hell of an explosion, but then again, how can our losties be alive and thrown to 2007 after the bomb exploded..

Claire-we know she disappeared, but do we really know she died? Kates dream yes no accent, but it was a dream...Claire was with Christian, but that does not mean she is dead..Locke was alive when he seen him and also Jack seen him....

Sayid, i have re watched it and i am not catching it...I am also not convinced that it is jacob, but above is the only logical reasoning i could think of if it were jacob...

Locke did lie to Boone on the plane, however, Boone probably did not know that John could not walk, so why not brag..That is just like I read that someone thinks it is weird that Locke did not tell Jack the reason of being paralyzed, however, would you tell a complete stranger that your father pushed you out a window? I don't know either, but just questions that come to mind when reading the threads...

[notsolost42]

Jin spoke perfect english with no accent in the DI in the 70's.
We have no confirmation that Kate had a dream with Claire in it.
Listen carefully, Sayid has an almost Scottish or a British accent. It is definitely not his Iraqi accent.

[Lost Down Under]

The actor who plays Sayid is British.....maybe it's just his British accent coming thru? I have noticed it at other times throughout the show in past seasons. IDK, just a thought.

[notsolost42]

The actor who plays Sayid is British.....maybe it's just his British accent coming thru? I have noticed it at other times throughout the show in past seasons. IDK, just a thought.

Yeah, I know he is British but he is a professional and I cannot see him "coming out of character" for one thing unless the script calles for it and I cannot see something like that getting past on the dailies when they are reviewed. I've never noticed him ever doing it before. What other time did he do it?

[Lost Down Under]

urgh - now your asking!!! Can't seriously remember which episode, but remember thinking "that's not an Iraqi accent". It does happen from time to time with lots of other actors. Nicole Kidman immediately comes to mind!!! LOL :)

[wvugurl]

i just went back and watched jin from last season...he has an accent but appeared to learn more english words...a man being foreign not speaking english is speaking very well english, however, he does have an accent of someone who's first language is not english..

i just also rewatched said..it almost sounded like a scared voice and i cannot tell in 2 words..what happened that it is completely accent free..i'm sorry i just do not agree with it

[notsolost42]

urgh - now your asking!!! Can't seriously remember which episode, but remember thinking "that's not an Iraqi accent". It does happen from time to time with lots of other actors. Nicole Kidman immediately comes to mind!!! LOL :)

IDK. I never picked up on it before but this definitely seemed intentional. I am not chaulking this up to yet another continuity error when we now know there are two different realities. :D

[JohnQ]

The actor who plays Sayid is British.....maybe it's just his British accent coming thru? I have noticed it at other times throughout the show in past seasons. IDK, just a thought.

Naveen Andrews' accent comes and goes throughout the whole series. Not my favorite character or actor, but Sayid is still way more interesting than, say, Kate or Claire or Boone or Shannon.

[islander]

i don't know..maybe that they appear to take presence of someones else's body (even though i know lockes actual body is still in the casket), but maybe if they aren't actually themselves, and someone else, they can actually maybe fight one another...the only thing i could think of if jacob took over sayid, the only logical reasoning i could think of was that sayid would be the only one who could actually kick lockes butt...

Maybe there's a rule that once you die and are brought back to life (somehow) you are not able to kill somone else. Think about it, otherwise they'd have people dying, becoming undead and killing again and so forth.

Or maybe like Ben, Sayid wasn't quite dead when he was placed in the Temple water. So, like Ben, Sayid is not bound by that rule, if there is such a rule.

Clearly I have no clue...:)

[mahalo_dude]

At this point, I think we are looking too much into the whole accent thing. He didn't utter very much. If he went on an extended dialogue, that's one thing; much easier to determine. But he didn't, and it didn't even sound to me out of character at all. But I could be wrong.

[JohnQ]

At first I thought Sayid is now Jacob, but that seems too simple. Sayid is now very Benlike, since both were near death/dead and brought to the temple for healing. Expect a Ben/Sayid showdown soon. Ben to Sayid: "You shot me when I was a boy just trying to help you. You made me this evil untrusting person that I am, Sayid." Sayid to Ben: "Benjamin, you ignorant slut..." LOL

[islander]

At first I thought Sayid is now Jacob, but that seems too simple. Sayid is now very Benlike, since both were near death/dead and brought to the temple for healing. Expect a Ben/Sayid showdown soon. Ben to Sayid: "You shot me when I was a boy just trying to help you. You made me this evil untrusting person that I am, Sayid." Sayid to Ben: "Benjamin, you ignorant slut..." LOL

I say they play beer pong to the death!

[Unbridled Pageantry]

At this point, I think we are looking too much into the whole accent thing. He didn't utter very much. If he went on an extended dialogue, that's one thing; much easier to determine. But he didn't, and it didn't even sound to me out of character at all. But I could be wrong.

Agreed.
All he did was lift himself feably off the ground and mutter, "What happened?".
I think it's too soon to say that is accent has vanished.
And Jin spoke proper English after living three years with Dharma, not immediately after the time flashes.

[wvugurl]

Maybe there's a rule that once you die and are brought back to life (somehow) you are not able to kill somone else. Think about it, otherwise they'd have people dying, becoming undead and killing again and so forth.

Or maybe like Ben, Sayid wasn't quite dead when he was placed in the Temple water. So, like Ben, Sayid is not bound by that rule, if there is such a rule.

Clearly I have no clue...:)


yeah i have no clue either..but yes could be some twisted rule like above...

accent-sayid, no not enought said...jin-speaks fluent english now after being on the island, but still has a foreign accent...

[littleredman]

I just rewatched the scene and he's definitely speaking with his Iraqi accent. If you've ever heard Naveen Andrews speak in an interview or whatever, then you'd know that's not his British accent at all.

Also, what's all this business about characters speaking out of accent anyway? It makes no sense to me. Technically, they ALWAYS speak with an accept - just perhaps not the one they should use. I've never noticed it before, though. But why would characters change their accents? It really doesn't make any sense to me.

[rock-lobster]

Yeah, I know he is British but he is a professional and I cannot see him "coming out of character" for one thing unless the script calles for it and I cannot see something like that getting past on the dailies when they are reviewed. I've never noticed him ever doing it before. What other time did he do it?

i don't understand the accent's significance. if there is one true accent (which IMO sounds like a pretty useless plot point), then why do Richard, Dogan and Eloise, for example, all have different accents?

This seems like something that's not quite worth looking into.

[wvugurl]

i just think what is being said is at one point they have an accent and another, the accent is gone...the examples given were:

jin-no accent after freightor
claire-no austrailian accent in kates dream
sayid-no accent when he asked what happened

i firmly believe jin has an accent, claire, well, it was not the thick aussie like we had heard, but she was also screaming...sayid-not enough said to still tell if his iraqi accent is there

[rekhyt]

Why would he say " What happened?" when he is Jacob now? Jacob seemed rather well informed. I think the same thing that happened to Ben happened to Sayid.

[rekhyt]

and while we are talking about sayid and jacob:

so. jacob asked ilana for help.
ilana made sure sayid took the flight and he didn't have a choice, so no free will here. strange to me since jacob was so adamant about free will in his conversation with hurley in the cab.

so, was that jabob's main point in asking her for help? not only to unveil locke but to bring sayid to the island at all costs?

[abcd1234]

you have no idea if ilana bringing sayid on the plane is related to her visit from jacob. I think this is purposely presented to lead us to believe this exact conclusion, which is a red herring.

[rekhyt]

yes, that's why i'm asking.. ;)
but the free will thing stands nonetheless.
everybody went back to the island by their own choice..apart from sayid.
oh, and Lapidus.

[Entervoice]

Islander, I don't think Sayid is Jacob. It makes no sense. But, check this out.
I just rewatched part 2 again and payed particular attention to Sayid when he was reawakened. He has no Iraqi accent anymore. It dawned on me that we have had this happen before:

1. When Kate was back in LA and had her "dream" of Claire sitting at Aaron's bedside she said "Don't bring him back, Kate, don't you dare bring him back." She had absolutely no accent when she said this. I think she is one of the awakened ones.

2. There were scenes with Jin after the freighter exploded and the time flashes. I wish I could remember which they were, but again, Jin had no accent. Jin may be one of the awakened ones.

3. Now we have Sayid, awakened again after being dunked in the spring by Dogen's men and with his first words he had no Iraqi accent. Sayid is one of the awakened ones.

I am not entirely sure what this means other than they are now "true" Others maybe or the undead as some call them. I happen to believe that Christian is also one of them. Somehow, Christian never made it back in the final split of time after the bomb and back into 2004. I also noticed that strange, easy going confidence that Locke now has in the 2004 timeline. I read on another thread that TPTB said Locke lied on the plane about going on his walkabout. Something in the way he spoke to Jack at the airport claims office made me think that Locke is not John Locke, again...I am wondering if he is Christian. BTW, I am absolutely not a believer that Christian is smokie. Nope, nada, nill. Anyway, those were some observations about the "dead" people with no accents anymore.
He did have an accent

[abcd1234]

oh and jin is played by an american actor that doesnt have an accent

[LostFreak21]

When they brought John back he had to have those shoes on. Did Sayid have anything on him? Did Jacob do anything when he was by the van? Was it Horace's work clothes?

[losttime]

you have no idea if ilana bringing sayid on the plane is related to her visit from jacob. I think this is purposely presented to lead us to believe this exact conclusion, which is a red herring.

I agree.

This is done very intentionally and is def meant to do exactly what its doing