Jin and Sun are not married

[TPTP]

I'm stealing this topic from my forum (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65542), because I thought you folks would be interested in it.

In the S6 premiere, Jin and Sun are not married. Not only are neither of them wearing rings, but the customs officer also refers to Sun as "Ms. Paik", not "Mrs. Kwon".

So, if they are not married, what gives?

[JfromtheD]

What gives is... Shameless promotion. :mad:

[LOST815]

Hmmm...interesting. I will need to rewatch that scene. It doesn't make sense that Jin would be traveling to America to deliver a watch for Mr. Paik with Sun if the two were not married. Then again maybe there is a new history between the two that has not been revealed. yet.

[rachelskid]

I'm stealing this topic from my forum (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65542), because I thought you folks would be interested in it.

In the S6 premiere, Jin and Sun are not married. Not only are neither of them wearing rings, but the customs officer also refers to Sun as "Ms. Paik", not "Mrs. Kwon".

So, if they are not married, what gives?

interesting. did not notice either thing, particularly ms. paik, until pointed out to me. how on earth would they be allowed to travel together if they aren't married? why would jin even be working for paik? is he? :confused:

[XmasDVD]

Don't forget - Sun bought a controling share in her father's company so she may be using the Paik name as a business name.

[rachelskid]

Don't forget - Sun bought a controling share in her father's company so she may be using the Paik name as a business name.

but that was in the on island scenerio/universe?:confused:

[wiley]

Don't forget - Sun bought a controling share in her father's company so she may be using the Paik name as a business name.

Yeah but she used the settlement money from Oceanic airlines crash of flight 815, which apparently now did not crash.

[CompletelyLost]

Yeah, but she bought the controlling interest last season, not at the beginning. of course, we are all assuming that what we are watching is Flight 815 NOT crashing on the Island, when we may actually be watching something completely different.

[rachelskid]

Yeah, but she bought the controlling interest last season, not at the beginning. of course, we are all assuming that what we are watching is Flight 815 NOT crashing on the Island, when we may actually be watching something completely different.

not flight 815 not crashing on the non-existent island,,,

[LissaMarie]

Well, theoretically the butterfly effect would cause a myraid of differences since 77' if things happened differently on the island, right? Maybe that's why Dezzie was on the plane rather than on the boat race & then the island, etc. Maybe Jack is still married, Locke lost use of his legs in a different way, Sun and Jin were never married, etc. It's very interesting to think about! They could all have different pasts and different circumstances on this flight than on 815 the first go 'round.

[TPTP]

What gives is... Shameless promotion. :mad:

Hey, I just thought you'd enjoy the possible discussion, but I can certainly keep things to myself in the future.

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Yeah but she used the settlement money from Oceanic airlines crash of flight 815, which apparently now did not crash.

She may have wired some of it to herself a few years earlier and between realities. :D

[LissaMarie]

Please don't. I don't know why JD has his panties in a twist about you crediting the source of your thread. I thought it was a very interesting point that I hadn't seen discussed here and I appreciate you posting it. Thanks, TPTP! :)

[LissaMarie]

Yeah, but she bought the controlling interest last season, not at the beginning. of course, we are all assuming that what we are watching is Flight 815 NOT crashing on the Island, when we may actually be watching something completely different.

Exactly! There was no settlement money because 815 didn't crash. Why wouldn't they be wearing wedding rings?

I'm submitting that their pasts have been altered and these Losties are different than the Losties we saw on flight 815 because of the butterfly effect.

[wiley]

Exactly! There was no settlement money because 815 didn't crash. Why wouldn't they be wearing wedding rings?

I'm submitting that their pasts have been altered and these Losties are different than the Losties we saw on flight 815 because of the butterfly effect.

OK but based on that I don't think they are different enough and all of these same people would not all be together on this flight. It would be more likely that I would be on that flight than all of these same people together once again.

[notsolost42]

OK but based on that I don't think they are different enough and all of these same people would not all be together on this flight. It would be more likely that I would be on that flight than all of these same people together once again.

Well, now wouldn't that depend on the yet unanswered question of why their lives crossed paths in the first place? That is one of the biggest questions on LOST. Perhaps the same reason still holds true no matter what reality they are in.

[LissaMarie]

Well, now wouldn't that depend on the yet unanswered question of why their lives crossed paths in the first place? That is one of the biggest questions on LOST. Perhaps the same reason still holds true no matter what reality they are in.

Exactly! Very well said, Nots. THESE people are still special and I'm willing to bet that their lives remain intertwined off the island because of who they are.

[LissaMarie]

I just rewatched it again. You know, it's possible that Jin is just Sun's bodyguard or escort or something of the sort. I'm not entirely sure they're even together romantically in this timeline. Hmmmmm....

[Junglist]

That would explain the bag full of cash as well.

[navyguy]

wow wow wow wow wow wow wow! thats one of those obvious right under your nose details that i DID NOT NOTICE! thank you bery bery much! another thing to add on to the list of changes!

I honestly think EVERYONE'S circumstances changed, not just the few we know

A) Charlie wants to die
B) Shannon didn't return with Boone
C) Hurley is lucky
D) Jin/Sun not married
those are what we know of, but i think there are others
E) I think Christian died under different circumstances
F) I think Kate commit a different crime (comic-con video)
G) I can't think of Sawyer's new story
H) Claire very well may not be giving Aaron up for adoption

[LissaMarie]

Great, Navyguy! It's funny but I didn't notice either and it literally was right there under our noses, wasn't it? Makes me wonder what other obvious things I didn't notice!

I think you're right about your assumptions. I would also add Desmond to your list. He isn't stuck in the Swan, entering the numbers so we can kind of assume he didn't go on the around the world boat race. We could then further assume that he didn't have a reason to prove himself worthy to Widmore, either because he never met Penny, Widmore wasn't alive, Widdy was still stuck on the island, Penny was never born or Dezzie wasn't a disappointment as a man. Sheesh! So many possibilities!!

[Junglist]

-- John went on the walkabout

[LissaMarie]

-- John went on the walkabout

Yeah, I'm not sure if he actually went or he was lying. I like to think that he actually went though. :)

[Junglist]

I think he went... I guess we'll (maybe) find out later on down the line, but this John seemed a lot more happy with life than the old locke... especially how calm he was in the airport with Jack.

[LissaMarie]

I think he went... I guess we'll (maybe) find out later on down the line, but this John seemed a lot more happy with life than the old locke... especially how calm he was in the airport with Jack.

Yeah, I'm thinking we'll find out a lot more about this timeline. I really hope you're right. I'd like to think that he was never hosed by Cooper and is married to Helen and went on his walkabout. The end. :)

[Junglist]

Well somehow he still got hosed cause he's in the wheelchair.

[LissaMarie]

Well somehow he still got hosed cause he's in the wheelchair.

Well, we can't assume he's in the wheelchair because of the same scenario, right?

[Junglist]

yeah I wouldn't say that I'm just saying that he still had some kind of bad luck that made that happen.

[LissaMarie]

yeah I wouldn't say that I'm just saying that he still had some kind of bad luck that made that happen.

Yeah, life is still hosing him either way you look at it. Good point, Jung.

[Junglist]

thanks....

anyway, not to threadjack... ;)

[LissaMarie]

Is that a no no on this forum?! Uh oh, I'm in trouble. :o

[Jelena]

You know, both times I watched, The "Ms. Paik" thing struck me as odd, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Now I know why! Wow!

Lis, I'm not sure that a bodyguard would say "Button you sweater". They seemed more intimate than that.

[LissaMarie]

Yeah, I thought that too but maybe he's just a douchey bodyguard? LOL :p

[JfromtheD]

Hey, I just thought you'd enjoy the possible discussion, but I can certainly keep things to myself in the future.

No, not at all! I take for granted, that most people know my sense of humor.

I'm sorry about that, man.

[lynnhart]

You know, both times I watched, The "Ms. Paik" thing struck me as odd, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Now I know why! Wow!

Lis, I'm not sure that a bodyguard would say "Button you sweater". They seemed more intimate than that.

If he is body guard hired by her father, maybe he is also responsible for policing her behavior?

[Jelena]

If he is body guard hired by her father, maybe he is also responsible for policing her behavior?

Hm, maybe he would be. But would he ask her why she's looking at Rose and Bernard that way? IDK, I can't wait to find out. Finally, a little something to interest me in this alt timeline.

[Qwert]

Maybe Jin is tired of being married to a woman who can't seem to keep her blouse buttoned and is taking a big bag of cash so he can leave her and start a new life in the US. He had to pretend to not speak english to the customs agent so Sun wouldn't figure it out!:)
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[LissaMarie]

Brilliant, Qwert! Hey, a fellow Chicagoan / suburbanite, sweet! Is that the bunny from Donnie Darko?

[ck1]

maybe she just hadnt changed her name on her passport and maybe thats why they reffered to her as paik,also maybe she didnt take jins name some people keep their own name,there is a good chance people are just readig too much into this.

[LissaMarie]

maybe she just hadnt changed her name on her passport and maybe thats why they reffered to her as paik,also maybe she didnt take jins name some people keep their own name,there is a good chance people are just readig too much into this.

I agree with that but the combo of neither of them having on wedding rings and her maiden name I think is a valid clue.

[Turnip Queen]

Wow, I did not notice that they had no rings on! I will have to watch that again!

[orsonkidd]

If they aren't married there is something going on that is very dif. Jin only had the Job w/ Paik because of his relationship w/ Sun, etc. and the "button your sweater" comment is suggestive of more than a casual or "bodyguard" relationship. However, the absence of rings and the Mrs. Paik line do suggest that they aren't together.....although, iirc, she does say why do "we" need all that money....so perhaps they aren't married, "yet", and were going to L.A. to escape from Mr. Paik, and start a life together.

[Qwert]

Brilliant, Qwert! Hey, a fellow Chicagoan / suburbanite, sweet! Is that the bunny from Donnie Darko?

Originally from Chicago, now western burbs. Yes, that is Frank, another time travler. I saw your post about the earthquake, this is the third one I've slept thru! Some day I'll be concious for one.
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[LissaMarie]

Originally from Chicago, now western burbs. Yes, that is Frank, another time travler. I saw your post about the earthquake, this is the third one I've slept thru! Some day I'll be concious for one.

Western burbs here too! Howdy, neighbor! :)

You have some very impressive / scary sleeping skills, my friend! I can't believe you slept through that!

[Lenae7]

Very interesting. Remember the circumstances behind Sun and Jin's marriage. Sun's family attempted an arrangement in marriage with the man who she cheated on Jin with. She did not want the arrangement because she met Jin who was the waiter (I believe, need to find that episode again) at the restaurant. He waited on them if I remember correctly. The other guy was heading to study I believe in LA (or studied and had met someone there he held intrest in). Sun married Jin, cheated on him after he worked with her father (whom we later found out was some how connected in business to Widmore, unassumingly something to do with the island and why Jin was headed to the US) Now we know that he did still carry the watch (which significance is still unknown), and in this new reality they are not married. So possibly she is going to meet the other guy (possible marriage arrangement of their first meeting) Leaves the question as how Jin got involved with Suns father (we know in the original reality he was working for him due to being married to Sun) My thoughts on this have a lot of open holes in it so I am not able to explain well at this point, i am sure will think of more significant elements after re-watching a few episodes.

[LissaMarie]

Kudos to you, TPTP! Nice catch!! :D

[Seven_patch]

I liked that episode. I think it is interesting that Sun has been shot in the sideways flashes, I wonder if that will effect the original time line.

[LissaMarie]

I liked that episode. I think it is interesting that Sun has been shot in the sideways flashes, I wonder if that will effect the original time line.

No kidding! I really don't know what impact that will have at all. So many thoughts!! :)

[LissaMarie]

I just rewatched it again. You know, it's possible that Jin is just Sun's bodyguard or escort or something of the sort. I'm not entirely sure they're even together romantically in this timeline. Hmmmmm....

So close and yet so far. :o :p

[The Fly]

I liked that episode. I think it is interesting that Sun has been shot in the sideways flashes, I wonder if that will effect the original time line.

I'm curious if it was Jin's baby. If so then I guess Jin wasn't "shooting blanks" in the alternate time line.
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The baby couldn't be Ji Yeon, because it's only a day or so since they landed, and Ji Yeon was conceived later in the original timeline

[Seven_patch]

I'm curious if it was Jin's baby. If so then I guess Jin wasn't "shooting blanks" in the alternate time line.
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The baby couldn't be Ji Yeon, because it's only a day or so since they landed, and Ji Yeon was conceived later in the original timeline

Good point that Jin wasn't able to have children until he went to the island. That would be a big difference.

I think Ji Yeon was conceived within a month or so on the island. Sun had fears that it was her affair that caused her pregnancy and not Jin. I guess in the alt time line it is sooner.

[LissaMarie]

I'm curious if it was Jin's baby. If so then I guess Jin wasn't "shooting blanks" in the alternate time line.
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The baby couldn't be Ji Yeon, because it's only a day or so since they landed, and Ji Yeon was conceived later in the original timeline

No, it's 3 years later. Flight 815 crashed in 2004 and it's 2007 now, right? :confused:

BTW, I literally thought there was a bug crawling across my laptop screen because of your freaky siggy! LOL! :D

[LissaMarie]

Good point that Jin wasn't able to have children until he went to the island. That would be a big difference.

I think Ji Yeon was conceived within a month or so on the island. Sun had fears that it was her affair that caused her pregnancy and not Jin. I guess in the alt time line it is sooner.

I don't think the alt timeline has anything to do with it at all though. Remember when Sun was about to catch the Ajira flight (still in the original timeline) and Widmore pulled her into that room and had a conversation with her? I think he confiscated her camera at that point and brought it to show Jin in this last episode on the island (which is still in the original timeline). Does that make sense?

[Seven_patch]

I don't think the alt timeline has anything to do with it at all though. Remember when Sun was about to catch the Ajira flight (still in the original timeline) and Widmore pulled her into that room and had a conversation with her? I think he confiscated her camera at that point and brought it to show Jin in this last episode on the island (which is still in the original timeline). Does that make sense?

Yes that makes sense.

I think the fly was talking about the Alt timeline. Sun said she was pregnant to Jin. Perhaps it was just important information when taking her to the hospital or maybe she was also telling him that he is the father.

In the original time line Jin couldn't have children.


Back to the camera thing. Widmore said he found it on the Ajira flight. I don't see any reason why we can't take his word on that. I don't see Sun doing any sight seeing on the island.

[LissaMarie]

Yes that makes sense.

I think the fly was talking about the Alt timeline. Sun said she was pregnant to Jin. Perhaps it was just important information when taking her to the hospital or maybe she was also telling him that he is the father.

In the original time line Jin couldn't have children.


TOTALLY missed that! Now it makes more sense, thanks! :)

[Seven_patch]

TOTALLY missed that! Now it makes more sense, thanks! :)

Any time!

I need to re-watch the episode because a friend was talking during the Zoe and Jin scene :mad: :rolleyes: :D

[LissaMarie]

Any time!

I need to re-watch the episode because a friend was talking during the Zoe and Jin scene :mad: :rolleyes: :D

Who the heck is Zoe?! I think I might have missed a critical scene too! :eek: