The magnetic field

[TuesdaySmith]

We know that there are some strong electromagnetic forces on the island, and I think the island is surrounded by a magnetic field. The magnetic field would form a circular "force field" around the island.

This would explain people getting trapped on the island, Desmond describing it like a snow globe, the compasses being off, and I'm pretty sure it would also affect communication.

This would also explain the electric storms that affect instruments, like the ones in the helicopter, when they travelled through it.

This could also explain why they have to follow exact coordinates in order to get on and off the island. While the helicopter is on the island, it's becomes part of the field, but when it's trying to travel through the feild lines, then it get's "stuck".

The coordinates they have to follow keep them on a path flowing with the field lines (as opposed to across them) until they're at the edge - thats when the electric storm begins.. They have to fly through the outermost field line in order to cross it, which is why Frank flies directly into the thunder clouds, or whatever Sayid called them. Once they get through, the skies are clear.

Now, something happens to them while they're crossing the field line, which causes time to pass without them feeling it.. I don't know what that might be, but I believe the only physical time shift happens when crossing the magnetic field. The side affect, as we saw, is a change in consciousness, appearing to be time travel, but it only happens inside the person's head instead of a physical body travel.

Well.. that was longer than I thought it would be.. and I still have some more to say, but I'll leave it at that.

What do you guys think?

Oh, the magnetism might also be responsible for the faster healing time on the island, like in magnet therapy and stem cells.

[stevebennet]

Modern medical and physics research supports your theory. Magnetic therapy as been well documented on its healing powers. Check out Faraday's Law for his contribution to physics.

[TuesdaySmith]

Oh yeah, I looked up Faraday as soon as I found out the name.. That's why I think the magnetic field theory is the most plausible one.. The shift in magnetism would trigger the "time" travel.

[banginailz]

Something was said about the freighter getting too close to the island. Thats why minkowski and another guy got the sickness.

[TuesdaySmith]

It wasn't the freighter, it was the little boat they took out alone. But, it would make sense because they were getting to that inbetween place, where they cross from outside to inside the boundaries of the field.

[ai2301]

What do you guys think?




Good points. It would explain the need for a submarine and perhaps the underwater station and why the freighter was so far away.

But how did Desmond end up on the island via the sailboat? And why didn't he get 'sick' after going through the magnetic field the first time like Minkowski and friend?
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[LostFreak21]

I think he did and that is why he can see the future. I think he has been on the Island a long time.

[TuesdaySmith]

Good points. It would explain the need for a submarine and perhaps the underwater station and why the freighter was so far away.

But how did Desmond end up on the island via the sailboat? And why didn't he get 'sick' after going through the magnetic field the first time like Minkowski and friend?

Maybe getting in is easier than getting out? Because, you're right, people don't seem to have much of a problem getting IN.. the Blackrock, Danielle's team, and Desmond.. even the plane in a way. Maybe it's because when you're on the island, or inside the field, you're also magnetized, so maybe it's harder to break away that it is to become a part of it? I don't know, I'd have to think about that some more..

And the sickness.. I didn't think about that while entering and exiting the field - that could explain Danielle's team (from another thread-I forgot they passed through). But that's another thing I'd have to think of for a bit... Maybe getting in, Desmond went with the flow of the field and minimized his exposure - like the all the people in the helicopter (on both trips). The minimal exposure would prevent the "side effects". Maybe Danielle's team went across the lines and that's why they all got sick.. I don't know why Danielle woudln't have, but it still seems plausible. The same would go for Minkowski and his friend.. they tried to get close to the island and got stuck crossing the feild. I don't know.. I still will have to think about it some more, but I think those ideas would go along with it all.

[bunnydixon]

there is definitely something they have to pass through which seems out of sync with everything else on many levels.

[Snape]

I'm envisioning the island surrounded by a circular magnetic field. It may be natural (doubtful) or man-made (I think highly probable). As such, if it's man-made, they (the Others, Dharma, something-we-don't-yet-know-about) can set up "notches" in the circle for people to get to and from the Island. I think 2 compass bearings that have "holes" in the magnetic field are 305 and 325 degrees.

Any other approach induces "side effects" (Danielle's team, perhaps Faraday / Desmond) or mechanical failures (Desmond's boat crash, Danielle's team's boat crash, Oceanic 815's crash, etc.).

[bunnydixon]

I'm envisioning the island surrounded by a circular magnetic field. It may be natural (doubtful) or man-made (I think highly probable). As such, if it's man-made, they (the Others, Dharma, something-we-don't-yet-know-about) can set up "notches" in the circle for people to get to and from the Island. I think 2 compass bearings that have "holes" in the magnetic field are 305 and 325 degrees.

Any other approach induces "side effects" (Danielle's team, perhaps Faraday / Desmond) or mechanical failures (Desmond's boat crash, Danielle's team's boat crash, Oceanic 815's crash, etc.).

i definitely agree about the notches and the approach.

[Snape]

Also note that there are still regular food drops via plane from Dharma continuing to this day. According to my previous post, this means that Dharma is aware of the notches in the magnetic field - as obviously Ben would as well because he's old-school Dharma.

[TuesdaySmith]

I'm envisioning the island surrounded by a circular magnetic field. It may be natural (doubtful) or man-made (I think highly probable). As such, if it's man-made, they (the Others, Dharma, something-we-don't-yet-know-about) can set up "notches" in the circle for people to get to and from the Island. I think 2 compass bearings that have "holes" in the magnetic field are 305 and 325 degrees.

Any other approach induces "side effects" (Danielle's team, perhaps Faraday / Desmond) or mechanical failures (Desmond's boat crash, Danielle's team's boat crash, Oceanic 815's crash, etc.).

Yeah yeah yeah!

But, I think it's natural.. I mean, in real life I don't think it would be natural, but I think for the show it it.. because of the healer in Australia (that Rose went to) mentioning places having special energies, and also in the most recent (I think?) podcast, the guys mentioning "special places" like that spot in Tunisia having something in common with the island.

[ortrules]

I'm envisioning the island surrounded by a circular magnetic field. It may be natural (doubtful) or man-made (I think highly probable). As such, if it's man-made, they (the Others, Dharma, something-we-don't-yet-know-about) can set up "notches" in the circle for people to get to and from the Island. I think 2 compass bearings that have "holes" in the magnetic field are 305 and 325 degrees.

Any other approach induces "side effects" (Danielle's team, perhaps Faraday / Desmond) or mechanical failures (Desmond's boat crash, Danielle's team's boat crash, Oceanic 815's crash, etc.).

I like this theory. But the only parts I would argue or ask about is why was Danielle and Alex unaffected? Desmond was also unaffected until he turned the key under the hatch. Plus, 815's crash was due to Desmond failing to push the button before the 108 minutes mark.

[Snape]

I like this theory. But the only parts I would argue or ask about is why was Danielle and Alex unaffected? Desmond was also unaffected until he turned the key under the hatch. Plus, 815's crash was due to Desmond failing to push the button before the 108 minutes mark.

You're confusing something. I'm not in anyway saying that going through the magnetic field (and not through one of the free notches) causes the sickness side effect - that's only half of it.

According to Daniel Faraday, 2 things must happen to begin the time travel thing that Desmond, Minkowski, Daniel himself [probably, unsure yet], and Danielle's team experienced.

1. You must have been exposed to prolonged radiation
2. You must pass through the magnetic field surrounding the island in an unsafe way (not through one of the notches)

Danielle was part of a science team. We don't know if she was a scientist at all. However, scientists play with radiation all the time. It's entirely feasible to me that they were all exposed to radiation OFF THE ISLAND BEFORE THEIR CRASH and Danielle wasn't - which is why she didn't suffer the "sickness" (time travel complications, nose bleeds, etc.) that they did.

Make sense? 2 things are necessary for the "sickness" - Danielle only had 1, passing through the field. She didn't have the radiation. Her team did.

Furthermore, Desmond when approaching the island in his boat went through the field - cool, no sickness yet. However, he got a major blast of radiation ON the island, so that when he LEFT the island he passed unsafely through the field and got the sickness.


Also note: I think it is only <I>inferred</I> that Desmond's failure "caused" 815's crash. I don't think any of them know that for sure.

[TuesdaySmith]

I like this theory. But the only parts I would argue or ask about is why was Danielle and Alex unaffected? Desmond was also unaffected until he turned the key under the hatch. Plus, 815's crash was due to Desmond failing to push the button before the 108 minutes mark.

I thought I already posted about this, but maybe it was in another thread?

Danielle not being affected could be anything.. luck, genetic make up, her location at the time of passing through the field, a metal plate in her head grounding her haha.. I don't know, but it could be anything.. and Alex was inside her at the time I'm pretty sure, so her reasons for being unaffected would be the same as Danielle's.

Desmond could have slipped through the lines, purely by accident, leaving him with no side effects. It was the incident with the key where he was exposed to high levels of electomagnetic radiation that caused him to have the mind travel.

Yes, 815's crash happened because Desmond didn't push the button in time.. but I'm not sure what you're suggesting.. Can you explain what you're trying to say?

[Snape]

I thought I already posted about this, but maybe it was in another thread?

Danielle not being affected could be anything.. luck, genetic make up, her location at the time of passing through the field, a metal plate in her head grounding her haha.. I don't know, but it could be anything.. and Alex was inside her at the time I'm pretty sure, so her reasons for being unaffected would be the same as Danielle's.

Desmond could have slipped through the lines, purely by accident, leaving him with no side effects. It was the incident with the key where he was exposed to high levels of electomagnetic radiation that caused him to have the mind travel.

Yes, 815's crash happened because Desmond didn't push the button in time.. but I'm not sure what you're suggesting.. Can you explain what you're trying to say?

Read my above post! You need TWO THINGS to get the sickness - Danielle's team had both, she only had 1. Desmond only had 1 until the incident in the hatch!

[TuesdaySmith]

I was thinking and I'm sticking to my first theory.. there are no holes, but they have to travel along the paths of the magnetic field lines and cross only at the edge. I don't see how a magnetic field could have "holes" in it.

If any of you guys don't know how a magnetic field would work, goolge "magnet iron" and look under images.. it's a good way to get a image of how it would surround the island.

[Snape]

I was thinking and I'm sticking to my first theory.. there are no holes, but they have to travel along the paths of the magnetic field lines and cross only at the edge. I don't see how a magnetic field could have "holes" in it.

If any of you guys don't know how a magnetic field would work, goolge "magnet iron" and look under images.. it's a good way to get a image of how it would surround the island.

If it's man-made, you can set up opposite poles at certain points in the perimeter to create a boundary hole in any magnetic field especially considering you DON'T NEED A MAGNET AT ALL TO SET UP A STATIC MAGNETIC FIELD. See the corollary of Faraday's Law (it doesn't have a name, but it's the opposite effect).

Faraday's Law: a moving magnetic field induces a static electric field.

The corollary (unnamed): a moving electric field induces a static magnetic field.

Moving on...

[TuesdaySmith]

Read my above post! You need TWO THINGS to get the sickness - Danielle's team had both, she only had 1. Desmond only had 1 until the incident in the hatch!

Uh.. You posted that while I was writing mine! haha.. it's ok... really..

You don't NEED two things. That wasn't stated anywhere. Yes, Daniels asked if Desmond was exposed to emr, but he didn't say he MUST have been.. it was only implied that that would be one of the reasons it could happen.

[ortrules]

I'm just saying that if there is a magnetic field, or atmosphere, around the island with only certain holes that you can pass through without be affected in some way - then it doesn't really apply to flight 815 or Desmond. Those two were not affected by the islands atmosphere upon entry.

It just seems that if the magnetic field is the reason Danielle's team got sick, it should also apply to Flight 815 and Desmond. The chance that they managed to pass through a hole in the magnetic field is slim to none.

Plus, as a doctor, Jack would be exposed to radiation from taking x-rays - so he should be affected in a similar manner.

[Snape]

I'm just saying that if there is a magnetic field, or atmosphere, around the island with only certain holes that you can pass through without be affected in some way - then it doesn't really apply to flight 815 or Desmond. Those two were not affected by the islands atmosphere upon entry.

It just seems that if the magnetic field is the reason Danielle's team got sick, it should also apply to Flight 815 and Desmond. The chance that they managed to pass through a hole in the magnetic field is slim to none.

Plus, as a doctor, Jack would be exposed to radiation from taking x-rays - so he should be affected in a similar manner.

I'm not saying the plane passed through a notch at all. I'm saying it DIDN'T which is why it crashed - the magnetism overcame the plane and made it break apart (makes total sense scientifically). The reason that most [if not all] of the people on the plane weren't affected by the "sickness" time travel at that time is because they hadn't been exposed to high levels of radiation!

Incidentally, looking at X-rays doesn't expose you to radiation - I don't think Jack was an X-ray tech. Besides, X-rays are relatively safe anyway and there are several types of radiation...we don't know (and may never know) which type causes the time-jumps.

[TuesdaySmith]

If it's man-made, you can set up opposite poles at certain points in the perimeter to create a boundary hole in any magnetic field especially considering you DON'T NEED A MAGNET AT ALL TO SET UP A STATIC MAGNETIC FIELD. See the corollary of Faraday's Law (it doesn't have a name, but it's the opposite effect).

Faraday's Law: a moving magnetic field induces a static electric field.

The corollary (unnamed): a moving electric field induces a static magnetic field.

Moving on...

I don't think it's manmade. What would Hanso and the Blackrock have to do with anything? Tunisia? The special aspects of the island? Trust me, it's natural. Just watch.. I'll be right...

Yes, a moving magnetic field.. ALSO means an object moving through a magnetic field. Hence, the helicopter etc travelling through, resulting in an electric storm.

I thought you said somewhere you were a physicist? Moving on...

[Sawyersgirl]

Something was said about the freighter getting too close to the island. Thats why minkowski and another guy got the sickness.

And...May be the reason that they("the others") have to take vaccines. perhaps also the reason they have no children born on the island??? But claire got vaccinated when she was taken? :confused:

[ortrules]

Ok, so if I have this right, Desmond was affected because of the high level of radiation from the hatch explosion. So do you think that means other islanders are going to be affected because of their proximity to the explosion?

Furthermore, would this then lead to why certain people are part of the Oceanic 6? So far, we know that Jack, Kate and Hurley survive and were far from the hatch when it exploded because they were being held captive by Ben (who also survives). Perhaps, going by this theory, people who don't make it during a rescue mission were people close to the hatch explosion and are unable to find a constant to help them survive. This could explain why Claire dies and Aaron lives with Kate. Aaron would be too young to understand anything anyway and Claire doesn't have a constant.

[Sawyersgirl]

Maybe getting in is easier than getting out? Because, you're right, people don't seem to have much of a problem getting IN.. the Blackrock, Danielle's team, and Desmond.. even the plane in a way. Maybe it's because when you're on the island, or inside the field, you're also magnetized, so maybe it's harder to break away that it is to become a part of it? I don't know, I'd have to think about that some more..

And the sickness.. I didn't think about that while entering and exiting the field - that could explain Danielle's team (from another thread-I forgot they passed through). But that's another thing I'd have to think of for a bit... Maybe getting in, Desmond went with the flow of the field and minimized his exposure - like the all the people in the helicopter (on both trips). The minimal exposure would prevent the "side effects". Maybe Danielle's team went across the lines and that's why they all got sick.. I don't know why Danielle woudln't have, but it still seems plausible. The same would go for Minkowski and his friend.. they tried to get close to the island and got stuck crossing the feild. I don't know.. I still will have to think about it some more, but I think those ideas would go along with it all.

Well...My question to you would be: Why didn't Sayid and the pilot get sick when they left?

[beachblinkette]

Does electromagnetism work as well underwater? Would the amniotic fluid in the uterus protect the baby if it were past the first trimester off the island?Would that protection extend to the mother-Claire/Danielle and account for Aaron's and Alexs' survival? How does the submarine escape the force field?I've read all you've written here and it is so thought provoking!Thanks.

[lostfan]

Well...My question to you would be: Why didn't Sayid and the pilot get sick when they left?

Remember Daniel asked if Desmond had been around radiation recently. Which he had when he blew up the hatch and was closest to the magnetism. Sayid and Frank weren't exposed to this.

[TuesdaySmith]

Ok, so if I have this right, Desmond was affected because of the high level of radiation from the hatch explosion. So do you think that means other islanders are going to be affected because of their proximity to the explosion?

Furthermore, would this then lead to why certain people are part of the Oceanic 6? So far, we know that Jack, Kate and Hurley survive and were far from the hatch when it exploded because they were being held captive by Ben (who also survives). Perhaps, going by this theory, people who don't make it during a rescue mission were people close to the hatch explosion and are unable to find a constant to help them survive. This could explain why Claire dies and Aaron lives with Kate. Aaron would be too young to understand anything anyway and Claire doesn't have a constant.

Oh, maybe! I didn't think about how much radiation the other losties were exposed to.. I wonder if something will happen to Locke because of it? Or maybe since Locke doesn't want to leave, he won't have issues because he won't be crossing the field?

[jackchick]

I think there are some great points here and I'll add my 2 cents: Desmond asked Daniel, what about your head? If Daniel keeps playing with radiation then that would explain why he's the "head case" or needs to do memory games. I wonder if Daniel has already been to the island. It would make sense that something happened that "quarentine" was stamped on the hatch door and Danielle's seem get's sick...radiation possibly. Don't know why she wouldn't have gotten sick though. And radiation affects ability to have babies hence Juliet's research. The women can carry to term and the womb of the young women with a womb looking like she was 70 could be attributed to radiation. Charlie and Locke were in the hatch at the time and would be somewhat protected "concrete walls and all." but Desmond was on top of the thing.

Maybe some people are suseptible and some aren't. Simple. Some people get cancer and some don't. Some smoke cigarettes forever and don't get sick? Go figure.

[TuesdaySmith]

Maybe some people are suseptible and some aren't. Simple. Some people get cancer and some don't. Some smoke cigarettes forever and don't get sick? Go figure.

Oh, nice.. We don't know about Danielle's past, but it could totally be true (assuming that her team was sick with the "side effects") that it just didn't affect her. I think your is a example is really good one. Nothing affects everyone the same.

[jackchick]

Tuesday, you always have such thought provoking threads! And your chicken avatar always makes me smile. After I watch lost I want to yell, "Inconveivable." to quote Princess Bride...
I posted elsewhere I think some go back and phase thru time and some don't. Jack wants to go back at the end of season 3 and can't.
And the electromagnatism either people go thru storms of them and crash on the island or a big EMP hits your plane and you crash after being in a big storm an flying off course a few 1,000 miles.