Infection

[NappyP]

Its been addressed. Sayid has been infected by something, and Claire has got it.
They must stop it from spreading.

So... What is it? any guesses? Quarantine connections? ect...?

------This next part isn't really as important as your thoughts. These are just mine.---------

I two wildly different ideas.

1. They are infected with memories or persona's of their parallel selves. Look at Kate have 'memories' of Jack and Aaron. I dunno why this would be important or considered an infection, but it is in the fore front of my mind.

2. They are infected with self actualization. ... What did Claire want? No baby. Stuck on the island with your baby in LA seems like her wish came true. ... Sayid? He regrest his past life and wants to make up for it. Being torturered seems like another case of be careful what you wish for.

[LostShark4970]

I will go a little more basic. they are infected... or as was said later "claimed" by smokie/mib/flocke. they are becoming his pieces, or soldiers if you will, in the upcoming battle. imo

[boutte]

I will go a little more basic. they are infected... or as was said later "claimed" by smokie/mib/flocke. they are becoming his pieces, or soldiers if you will, in the upcoming battle. imo

Yeah .

[LissaMarie]

But it sounds like Dogen has an antidote, right?

[losttime]

But it sounds like Dogen has an antidote, right?

The antidote is poison.

[MrEchoLives]

But it sounds like Dogen has an antidote, right?

yeah, kill him...He was trying to poison sayid

[Dzbabykel]

But it sounds like Dogen has an antidote, right?

Yeah which I'm wondering if its the same thing as the "vaccine" we've heard so much about?? :confused:

[LissaMarie]

yeah, kill him...He was trying to poison sayid

Was he trying to poison Sayid (aka kill him) or poison the darkness before it could claim him fully?

[MrEchoLives]

The way I see it(and I could totally be wrong), but i think that dead is dead. Once he died, the darkness got him. Now the only way to eliminate it is to die. I don't think there is any getting rid of this darkness,yet the host survives. The host was already dead to begin with

[boutte]

Before penicillin strychnine was the cure for syphilis.

[LostShark4970]

Was he trying to poison Sayid (aka kill him) or poison the darkness before it could claim him fully?

manipulation.. it had to be taken willingly. i think it was meant to kill sayid, or he wouldn't have stopped Jack. but Jack was about to take it willingly... thus poison. kinda like a rule maybe? ;):confused:

[boutte]

The way I see it(and I could totally be wrong), but i think that dead is dead. Once he died, the darkness got him. Now the only way to eliminate it is to die. I don't think there is any getting rid of this darkness,yet the host survives. The host was already dead to begin with

Then why not just shoot him?

[MrEchoLives]

Then why not just shoot him?
Back to the whole thing about willingness and taking the pill without being forced

[LostShark4970]

Then why not just shoot him?

Why couldn't MIB/fLocke not shoot Jacob. I think there are diffrent rules that apply to those that are termed "others". maybe.

[LissaMarie]

The way I see it(and I could totally be wrong), but i think that dead is dead. Once he died, the darkness got him. Now the only way to eliminate it is to die. I don't think there is any getting rid of this darkness,yet the host survives. The host was already dead to begin with

I agree but dead is dead means nothing on the island, especially with the new addition of the healing spring in the temple. I think that's a major difference.

Maybe Charlie and Anna L and Eko and all the "dead" that Hurley has been able to communicate with are "claimed". Maybe his powers are darker than we thought? :eek:

[woogie]

So if you get infected you become a zombie!! That's what I get out of this infection thing. So, let's tally up who all are zombies in lost. Anyone who's corpse was re-animated and anyone else who got infected is a candidate.

[losttime]

Was he trying to poison Sayid (aka kill him) or poison the darkness before it could claim him fully?

Seems he was trying to kill him.

Seemed he was not wanting Jack to take it or he will die.


This seems to put a big question mark on the identity of Jacob and Christian doesnt it?

Christian in the Cabin giving the evil grin with claire and Jacob telling them to bring Sayid to the Temple.

Seems to be painting a better picture about what and who they are.

And I will be honest, I didnt believe it for one second when Dogan said he passed the test. I knew he was lying ..

So it seems that it is Sayid, physically but not really him in there but an infected body by Smokey that is capable of spreading the "infection" to everyone else.

And I am sure Sayid knew what the pill was and knows Jack didnt want to give it to him.

Seems like he knew exactly what to say to Jack

Sure enough Jack didnt give it to him

[LissaMarie]

Yeah, but he went right into the explanation of how it will reach his heart and then he's toast. It kinda sounded like it would kill Jack because he wasn't infected but it wouldn't kill Sayid because he was infected. I think it would just attack and destroy the darkness.

[boutte]

Yeah, but he went right into the explanation of how it will reach his heart and then he's toast. It kinda sounded like it would kill Jack because he wasn't infected but it wouldn't kill Sayid because he was infected. I think it would just attack and destroy the darkness.
that's what I'm thinking.

[LostShark4970]

Yeah, but he went right into the explanation of how it will reach his heart and then he's toast. It kinda sounded like it would kill Jack because he wasn't infected but it wouldn't kill Sayid because he was infected. I think it would just attack and destroy the darkness.

You always see the good in things... but i think this season is darker... ;) like lepidus said "the guys that go out of thier way to tell you their the good guys are usually the bad guys". i will err on the side of everyone is evil till proven good this season... :p :D

[Dzbabykel]

You always see the good in things... but i think this season is darker... ;) like lepidus said "the guys that go out of thier way to tell you their the good guys are usually the bad guys". i will err on the side of everyone is evil till proven good this season... :p :D

Haha yeah that's prob smart :p

[boutte]

It's war between good and evil. We just need to figure out who's on what side. I'm pretty sure it's a safe bet Jacob is good and MiB is evil.

But who's following which.

[boutte]

Back to the whole thing about willingness and taking the pill without being forced

I really think they don't want him to die.

[MrEchoLives]

I really think they don't want him to die.
but he was already dead... I dont think any of them have seen someone risen from the dead..IMO, once someone is dead, the spring is useless. I think it is for healing,but once your dead,your dead

[LostShark4970]

I really think they don't want him to die.

If what Richard said was true... he had never seen a man come back from death... i think Dogon is smarter than Richard in this respect. he was not fooled. "Dead is Dead... you don't get to come back from that." :confused: but, it is lost. and i have never seen a man that doesn't age before either... doesn't mean it can't happen. ;)

but they are still all evil till they convince me otherwise.:D

[boutte]

I'll be back tomorrow by which time I will have figured everything out and will explain it for you.

[Epy]

Two sides, one light, and one dark.

I think by the end of this all the losties will choose a side.

[LostShark4970]

I'll be back tomorrow by which time I will have figured everything out and will explain it for you.

Nite brother. Grats to those Saints btw. :):D

[losttime]

Yeah, but he went right into the explanation of how it will reach his heart and then he's toast. It kinda sounded like it would kill Jack because he wasn't infected but it wouldn't kill Sayid because he was infected. I think it would just attack and destroy the darkness.

I thought the point was by then the danger was to great and more people can become "infected" and they would be powerless to stop it in the process.

For all we know he might be infecting people as we speak.

Hurley or Miles or Jack even.

But I guess the whole theory on the different accent was hogwash. he sounded no different then before.

One more thing though.

It seemed like Sayid knew what the pill was and thats why he acted the way he did.

Between his face and his statements to Jack made it look like he knew what it was and knew that jack didnt want to give it to him.

[boutte]

Nite brother. Grats to those Saints btw. :):D

thanks, WhoDat!

[Unbridled Pageantry]

I think that Dogan was worried about Sayid having an unwanted pregnancy.
Lord knows I know what it's like to rock in that boat.

[LostShark4970]

I think that Dogan was worried about an Sayid having an unwanted pregnancy.
Lord knows I know what it's like to rock in that boat.

LMAO... Lost season seven, special epi... Sayid and the birth of Smokie... :confused::eek:

[NappyP]

thanks, WhoDat!

who dat!

have a flur de lis on my butt for years now, now I can proudly walk around with it out. :eek:

[Dzbabykel]

Do we still not know why pregnant women died on the island? Would all this tie into that??

[NappyP]

I like where this convo went, but what did Miles see/hear?

He is aware of something. Did he 'diagnose' Sayid before the others?

[Epy]

I like where this convo went, but what did Miles see/hear?

He is aware of something. Did he 'diagnose' Sayid before the others?

Yeah, he seems to know somethings up, but keeps quiet. Maybe Miles' sense is telling him Sayid is still dead.

Or, maybe while Sayid was dead, he heard some important information from him.

[LissaMarie]

You always see the good in things... but i think this season is darker... ;) like lepidus said "the guys that go out of thier way to tell you their the good guys are usually the bad guys". i will err on the side of everyone is evil till proven good this season... :p :D

If they wanted to kill Sayid, why wouldn't they just kill him? Why put him through all of this.

I think it's all about redemption, like Dogen said to Jack. Sayid has to atone for his past so he's being put through the ringer. I think the spring was infected and the pill will kill the darkness...not poison and kill Sayid. I think it has to be that way. Otherwise, what is the point? Why would they go to so much trouble to save Sayid, just to kill him with a pill?

[notsolost42]

If they wanted to kill Sayid, why wouldn't they just kill him? Why put him through all of this.

I think it's all about redemption, like Dogen said to Jack. Sayid has to atone for his past so he's being put through the ringer. I think the spring was infected and the pill will kill the darkness...not poison and kill Sayid. I think it has to be that way. Otherwise, what is the point? Why would they go to so much trouble to save Sayid, just to kill him with a pill?

Right Lis! The poison pill that Dogen made from his array of herbs we saw him tending is like chemo for the soul. It will kill the evil darkness that is infecting Sayid, not kill Sayid. Dogen is an herbalist or medicine man, shaman, or whatever you choose besides probably being a pretty darned good bad a$$.

[losttime]

If they wanted to kill Sayid, why wouldn't they just kill him? Why put him through all of this.

I think it's all about redemption, like Dogen said to Jack. Sayid has to atone for his past so he's being put through the ringer. I think the spring was infected and the pill will kill the darkness...not poison and kill Sayid. I think it has to be that way. Otherwise, what is the point? Why would they go to so much trouble to save Sayid, just to kill him with a pill?

Then if the pool was "infected" then Dogan should be "infected" as well shouldnt he?

And if its just poison to kill the evil then if there was no evil in Jack it should be harmless to him.

[LissaMarie]

Right Lis! The poison pill that Dogen made from his array of herbs we saw him tending is like chemo for the soul. It will kill the evil darkness that is infecting Sayid, not kill Sayid. Dogen is an herbalist or medicine man, shaman, or whatever you choose besides probably being a pretty darned good bad a$$.

LOL....chemo for the soul. I like that! :D

[notsolost42]

LOL....chemo for the soul. I like that! :D

Just remember where you heard it first!!! :p And yes, if Jack were to ingest it it would kill him because it would attack his soul since there is no darkness...that we know of anyway! That was why Dogen got so upset. He didn't want Jack to die. They all have work to do!!!! A long time back Carlton Cuse said the sickness had to do with the time travel. I don't see how but it's still unraveling. Who knows?

[LissaMarie]

Then if the pool was "infected" then Dogan should be "infected" as well shouldnt he?

And if its just poison to kill the evil then if there was no evil in Jack it should be harmless to him.

They said that it was poison and since Jack wasn't infected, it would kill him. That leads me to believe that the poison only attacks the "darkness".

That's an interesting point about Dogen not being infected. Maybe it's an exposure thing or an injested thing?

[LissaMarie]

Just remember where you heard it first!!! :p And yes, if Jack were to ingest it it would kill him because it would attack his soul since there is no darkness...that we know of anyway! That was why Dogen got so upset. He didn't want Jack to die. They all have work to do!!!! A long time back Carlton Cuse said the sickness had to do with the time travel. I don't see how but it's still unraveling. Who knows?

Well that just makes my puzzler hurt. :o

The sickness has to do with time travel. Hmmmm.....

[MrEchoLives]

If they wanted to kill Sayid, why wouldn't they just kill him? Why put him through all of this.

I think it's all about redemption, like Dogen said to Jack. Sayid has to atone for his past so he's being put through the ringer. I think the spring was infected and the pill will kill the darkness...not poison and kill Sayid. I think it has to be that way. Otherwise, what is the point? Why would they go to so much trouble to save Sayid, just to kill him with a pill?

I think that they did go thru alot to save him, but it didnt happen. The spring was dark,something was wrong with the water. Obviously it didnt work on dudes hand when he cut his own hand. So they tried,but it didnt happen and he died. Now he is back, BUT he is back because of the darkness. I think they had every intention of killing him because i think once your dead,then overtaken like this, you are beyond saving

[LissaMarie]

Is Jacob's touch some kind of antidote to the sickness maybe?

[MrEchoLives]

They said that it was poison and since Jack wasn't infected, it would kill him. That leads me to believe that the poison only attacks the "darkness".

That's an interesting point about Dogen not being infected. Maybe it's an exposure thing or an injested thing?

I dont think the water was infected, I think the water was rendered useless,maybe because Jacob had just died. I think the infection entered sayid after he was dead. Thats when it gets to you, after your dead

[LissaMarie]

I think the water was infected. Just my opinion. :o

[NappyP]

i like the idea of Dogan being infected too. It seems like no one has any way of testing him. Lennon (is that his real name) is the next man in line, and seems a bit out of the loop.

This could be an interesting turn. I mean, I didn't see him favoring one hand over the other. With a gash like that, kung fu would tear open your fresh palm wound.

[losttime]

They said that it was poison and since Jack wasn't infected, it would kill him. That leads me to believe that the poison only attacks the "darkness".

That's an interesting point about Dogen not being infected. Maybe it's an exposure thing or an injested thing?

If its only kills the darkness and there is no darkness its like maggot therapy on healthy skin, it wont do any harm to it.

So if Jack has no evil in him by way of the infection then its not poison to him based on what is now being theorized about the poison.


Either it kills just the darkness or kills the person carrying the darkness.Seems that by the time it getts to the heart the "poison" would be useless

But Dogans reaction to Jack seems that it is poison and will kill whoever takes it

Seems shooting him would be pointless since he is infected and "claimed" and the only way to kill him is by poisoning him.


And Dogan had open wound just like Sayid did.

The "infected" water , if that is the case can makes its way into the body just the same.

I think the water not being clear means that it was incapable of "healing" anyone including Dogan

[rachelskid]

well, if sayid "died" already and was still claimed and/or infected then what will shooting him do? he comes back from dead. perhaps its not killing sayid that's important but killing "the darkness" inside. and, if the "darkness" is killed then of course so is sayid because he is already dead.

of course, I do not buy this "darkness" business just yet.

welcome to zombie season, folks!

[LostShark4970]

well, if sayid "died" already and was still claimed and/or infected then what will shooting him do? he comes back from dead. perhaps its not killing sayid that's important but killing "the darkness" inside. and, if the "darkness" is killed then of course so is sayid because he is already dead.

of course, I do not buy this "darkness" business just yet.

welcome to zombie season, folks!

And the first rule of ZombieSeason... Cardio... Run Kate Run. :D

[losttime]

well, if sayid "died" already and was still claimed and/or infected then what will shooting him do? he comes back from dead. perhaps its not killing sayid that's important but killing "the darkness" inside. and, if the "darkness" is killed then of course so is sayid because he is already dead.

of course, I do not buy this "darkness" business just yet.

welcome to zombie season, folks!

Dead is Dead right Rachel? We learned that last season.

Seems TPTB are doing the same thing just tweaking it a little to trick us.

I am not falling for the same ting twice.

[rachelskid]

Dead is Dead right Rachel? We learned that last season.

Seems TPTB are doing the same thing just tweaking it a little to trick us.

I am not falling for the same ting twice.

yes, but they have also been running around giggling about "zombie season"

its the difference between snake in the mailbox and FDW.

anyway, this cannot all be smokie. we simply do not know what smokey is or how it manifests or why and whatever or whoever is claiming the dead, it cannot all be smokie. god, please.

[losttime]

yes, but they have also been running around giggling about "zombie season"

its the difference between snake in the mailbox and FDW.

anyway, this cannot all be smokie. we simply do not know what smokey is or how it manifests or why and whatever or whoever is claiming the dead, it cannot all be smokie. god, please.

So you dont think its related to the "infection" Roussea talked about after her team went in after Montand?

I think it all has to do with Smokey.

I was wrong thinking Sayid was Smokey but I dont think I am wrong with the understanding of who Sayid is and isnt.

He isnt Sayid anymore and Smokey I beleive is the one who infected him just like Rousseaus team was infected by him

I do think that Sayid would have died if he took the pill and the reason Dogan said what he said about being too late if it gets to his heart because then I think it wont be able to kill Sayid because he is not rotten to the core and the pill would be like putting out a house fire with a strawful of water.

That is how I am seeing whats going on

[rachelskid]

So you dont think its related to the "infection" Roussea talked about after her team went in after Montand?

I think it all has to do with Smokey.

I was wrong thinking Sayid was Smokey but I dont think I am wrong with the understanding of who Sayid is and isnt.

He isnt Sayid anymore and Smokey I beleive is the one who infected him just like Rousseaus team was infected by him

I do think that Sayid would have died if he took the pill and the reason Dogan said what he said about being too late if it gets to his heart because then I think it wont be able to kill Sayid because he is not rotten to the core and the pill would be like putting out a house fire with a strawful of water.

That is how I am seeing whats going on

oh, no. i think R's team;s infection is the same thing. I just am not certain its all smokey. i think smokey may be a manifestation of the "infection" or a manifestation of team MIB's side. but, i don't know.

it also seems that Jacob has his people brainwashed too. they follow blindly.

i have no friggin idea what is going on. but, some things seems clearer.

[losttime]

oh, no. i think R's team;s infection is the same thing. I just am not certain its all smokey. i think smokey may be a manifestation of the "infection" or a manifestation of team MIB's side. but, i don't know.

it also seems that Jacob has his people brainwashed too. they follow blindly.

i have no friggin idea what is going on. but, some things seems clearer.

Oh ok

And yes I admitted that I was wrong about Sayid actually being Smokey but I wasnt way off with regard to what is going on with him.

I still think its Smokey that infected him and I still think it was what everyone thinks is Jacob.

I question the water being murky.

I dont think that was the infection because Dogan exposed himself to it a well.

The men stood in the water andthey are fine.

I guess its Sayids body but not him ni there anymore.

It looked to me like he knew the pill was poison and realizing Jack did not want to give it but said that they wanted him to take it.

HE knows it will kill him

I do believe that to be the case

[whitestar2]

Well that just makes my puzzler hurt. :o

The sickness has to do with time travel. Hmmmm.....

One think that is puzzling me is when Kate and Jin went off after Sawyer with the 2 others, Jin asked if the rocks in the tree controlled by the trip wire was one of Rousseau's traps. Also guy with Aldo says that Rousseau has been dead for years. How do they know that?? They were living at the Temple--Danielle, Alex and Karl never made it there. Those two are pretty low level Others. Doubtful they'd even know who she was--given that Ben was supposed to kill her and Alex. Haven't seen Aaron around either, then Claire shows up--what she suddenly becomes a sharp-shooter (like Danielle) since she disappeared. Also, Danielle refered to Robert being "infected" before she shot him on the beach. Robert being "possessed" by smokey or MiB or whomever now makes sense. Gah!! this is confusing!!

[3d-aholic]

I will go a little more basic. they are infected... or as was said later "claimed" by smokie/mib/flocke. they are becoming his pieces, or soldiers if you will, in the upcoming battle. imo

I agree with this...but the self-actualization and the universal consciousness may be mechanisms in and of themselves as to how they become "black" pawns.

[audienceofone]

They said that it was poison and since Jack wasn't infected, it would kill him. That leads me to believe that the poison only attacks the "darkness".

That's an interesting point about Dogen not being infected. Maybe it's an exposure thing or an injested thing?

Maybe the prerequisite is to die first - then infection is possible - perhaps how one lived their life before death determines WHO their soul belongs to at death.

Sawyer bitterly said that of course Sayid the torturer deserves to live - intimating that his beloved "good" Juliet should be the one brought back to life instead.

I fear those coming back to life are not who they once were and there is no room for rejoicing in their presumed resurrections.

[losttime]

So here is the conversation to "clear up" what the pill really was

Jack:Why would you people want to KILL Sayid.

Dogen:We believe he has been (Japanese)"

Lennon: Closest translation is, claimed.

Jack:Claimed. By what?

Dogen: There is a darkness growing in him. And once it reaches his heart, everything your friend once, was will be gone.

Jack: How can you be sure of that?

Dogen:Because it happened to your sister.

So there is nothing to say that the pill for sure only kills the sickness. Jack asked why they wanted to kill sayid.

They didnt say it wasnt going to kill him just get rid of what ever the darkness is thats growing inside him.

So I guess this is just one of those other things I will pretty much disagree with pretty much everyone on. LOL

[pgriebs]

maybe its swine flu? lots of wild pigs on that island

[goinwitheflo]

maybe if the dead person gets buried the darkness cannot infect them. they may become part of the island at that point.

[egaio]

I will go a little more basic. they are infected... or as was said later "claimed" by smokie/mib/flocke. they are becoming his pieces, or soldiers if you will, in the upcoming battle. imo

I agree I think the "infection" is actually a possession by MIB/smokie or even Jaccob.

As far as the poison goes, I don't think it is literally a poison to kill Saiyd, I think it is meant to cleanse the "infection/possession" from his body

[goinwitheflo]

hey if nothing else Sayid and Claire might have a future together lol