The Black Rock

[CrawlingKingSnake]

How do you think the Black Rock is going to tie into all of this? Nothing has been 100% confirmed but most people (myself included) believe the ship at the beginning of the season 5 finale was the Black Rock. But it's still important to the 3 ancient characters backstories and I wonder how they'll explain it all. Through flashbacks? Maybe a Richard/Jacob/MiB flashback? Or are we going to see another group of our Losties time travel? I have this feeling we're going to see at least one of our Losties on board the Black Rock. Not sure how yet.

And how did it get in the middle of the island? The only logical explanation for a ship winding up in the middle of the island (well, not logical, but Lost logical) is that the island was moved and popped up right underneath this ship.

[MonicaLynn60]

OR....Jacob "made" a Tidal wave that caused the Ship to Wash up in the middle of the Island....

OR....The Island was underwater and IT "Popped Up" from under the Ship....

OR.....The Passangers of the ship moved it inland so that it couldn't be seen from the Beach....

OR....The Jolly Green Giant dropped it from high above. :D

Oh, the possibilities......;)

[JfromtheD]

"Reverse Bloop!"
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"Reverse Bloop!"

:D

[goinwitheflo]

what if the ship being in the middle of the island has something to do with the island being under water at the beginning of the season.

[goinwitheflo]

"the kid in the sandbox" could put the ship anywhere he wanted to

[Desi420]

Well that is a good question, my friend. How do you tell a story that has already happened? And I heard around the watering hole that there will be no more Flashbacks or forwards. And the talk from the Grapevine is that the time skipping is done too. So what do you do?

Was the first meeting of MiB and Jacob a flashback? I didn't hear the swooshing noise. And what was that while fLocke explaining to James about Jacob showing up in there lives, sure looked like a flashback to me.

So I know that they will have Richard centric episode. They have to.... its a most!

[Desi420]

"the kid in the sandbox" could put the ship anywhere he wanted to

Tracker beam!?!

[CrawlingKingSnake]

Well that is a good question, my friend. How do you tell a story that has already happened? And I heard around the watering hole that there will be no more Flashbacks or forwards. And the talk from the Grapevine is that the time skipping is done too. So what do you do?

Was the first meeting of MiB and Jacob a flashback? I didn't hear the swooshing noise. And what was that while fLocke explaining to James about Jacob showing up in there lives, sure looked like a flashback to me.

So I know that they will have Richard centric episode. They have to.... its a most!
I HAVE to believe they will leak these details through a flashback. I know they say they're only flashpresent or whatever they call it but there is no other way to explain The Black Rock, Richard and all of the other little items that MiB and Jacob discussed in that episode without flashing backwards. Unless they want to sit down and have a long conversation about it. And since NOBODY anywhere in the history of Lost is big on telling the secrets of the island and its past, that's a stretch.

[persistentlylost]

I wonder if there is a "White Rock." I can't believe it took this long to dawn on me that the name "Black Rock" has significance in that one of the two players is represented by a black rock. The MiB lost his body sometime between the Black Rock's arrival and 815's arrival. There has to be some sort of flashback to tell us what happened. I hope they don't wait until the very end, but something tells me they will.

[BucFanLostinNC]

My thought on how it came to be located in the middle of the is land could have to do with the anchor of the ship or a cannon.

If there was a magnetic anomily that occurred then the metal from the ship would have pulled it inland. So the anchor or cannon could have been ripped through the ship that is where the hole in the ship came from.

Im almost sure that the ships metal being pulled by a magnetic force.

[CrawlingKingSnake]

Im almost sure that the ships metal being pulled by a magnetic force.
Interesting...

Almost as though the "not yet existing Swan Station's" magnetic anomaly was pulling it inwards and then someone pushed the "not yet existing button" to make it stop thus keeping the Black Rock from being thoroughly crushed inside the "not yet existing" hatch.

Well, you know, not pushed a button... you know what I mean. I'm subscribing to that theory until I see otherwise.

[Desi420]

My Guess about The Richard-Centric Episode is that it will be one of the VERY last!

AND....that he will be aboard The Black Rock.

Actually, I think the last 5 is what will really blow our pants off, and if your boxers look like Sawyer's I suggest you change them.

I think the Blackrock episode is going to pick up where the conversation between MiB and Jacob left off. We will see what made the MiB trapped in the Smokie form and his whole story about "how he used to be human"

[CrawlingKingSnake]

This may have just been a bunch of BS I read somewhere (I really need to rewatch these episodes again), but in one of the few trips to the Black Rock, were one of the chains loose or broken? Like someone got out? And if so, maybe Richard? Maybe the magnetic anomaly sent something just by him enough to cut him loose without taking his head off. Just throwing it out there.

[CrawlingKingSnake]

if your boxers look like Sawyer's I suggest you change them.
:D

Why couldn't he have at least wiped his ass properly? I know there's still some Dharma TP around there somewhere.

[Desi420]

:D

Why couldn't he have at least wiped his ass properly? I know there's still some Dharma TP around there somewhere.

Not to mention a whole pile of notebooks somewhere.

[Glaurung]

the black rock was a sailing ship, which was the advanced way to travel in its day....what if the white rock is flight 815???? it has the losties on it, jacob's recruits....would that mean that the black rock crew were MiB's recruits??? and that Dharma supports MiB and was trying to time travel him home or such, and Richard and Ben defected to Jacob's side??

[LostInSpaceTime]

Well that is a good question, my friend. How do you tell a story that has already happened? And I heard around the watering hole that there will be no more Flashbacks or forwards. And the talk from the Grapevine is that the time skipping is done too. So what do you do?

Was the first meeting of MiB and Jacob a flashback? I didn't hear the swooshing noise. And what was that while fLocke explaining to James about Jacob showing up in there lives, sure looked like a flashback to me.

So I know that they will have Richard centric episode. They have to.... its a most!

had to be a flashback because the statue was complete

[Greg Dharma]

the black rock was a sailing ship, which was the advanced way to travel in its day....what if the white rock is flight 815???? it has the losties on it, jacob's recruits....would that mean that the black rock crew were MiB's recruits??? and that Dharma supports MiB and was trying to time travel him home or such, and Richard and Ben defected to Jacob's side??

the white rock? interesting.

what about the crack rock? that's what the writers have been smoking this season.

seriously, i'm with the magnetic ore pulled to the island theory. however i dont think MiB has been recruiting people, just killing off candidates which jacob brings to the island. go back to the Incident and listen to the dialogue between MiB/Jacob. he's clearly not down with the idea of anyone coming to the island, he sees it as pointless.

also, i dont think Dharma was down with MiB. they had their own agenda, namely trying to use the island for research/control its time-traveling properties. if they were down with him, they wouldnt have needed a sonic fence to keep him out.

[BucFanLostinNC]

the white rock? interesting.

what about the crack rock? that's what the writers have been smoking this season.

seriously, i'm with the magnetic ore pulled to the island theory. however i dont think MiB has been recruiting people, just killing off candidates which jacob brings to the island. go back to the Incident and listen to the dialogue between MiB/Jacob. he's clearly not down with the idea of anyone coming to the island, he sees it as pointless.

also, i dont think Dharma was down with MiB. they had their own agenda, namely trying to use the island for research/control its time-traveling properties. if they were down with him, they wouldnt have needed a sonic fence to keep him out.

I think he is recruiting for the war coming. If you look at his recruiting process he is selecting the strongest. He picked Locke as a host spirit because all and all Locke is very innocent and well rounded, Sayid because he is soldier, and Sawyer a bad ass. But I think he is looking for someone ultimatly to take his place as Jacob was attempting. Its probably in the rules that you must be replaced to leave the Island.

[Chelebella]

How do you think the Black Rock is going to tie into all of this? Nothing has been The only logical explanation for a ship winding up in the middle of the island (well, not logical, but Lost logical) is that the island was moved and popped up right underneath this ship.

OR, maybe there was a hurricane. The answer may not always be complicated.

I'm sorting out some thoughts on this too. I was thinking about how the island "moves", about how people seem to flash through time, not always ending up in the same place. I noticed that Kate was in a tree after whatever happened at the end of last season happened. Is it possible that she ended up in that tree the same way the Black Rock ended up on the island? Maybe the ship was sailing along, there was a flash and bam, where there was only ocean, was now an island so the ship ended up on top of it (like Kate in the tree).

Just a thought.

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

I don't think it will be explained, I think someone will mention it along the lines of: "...we didn't believe it either, until we found our ship in the middle of the island..."

[Desi420]

had to be a flashback because the statue was complete

Its not though. We never saw them in present time and there was no swooshing sound. Only when Jacob visits our Losties in there past do you hear it, but with the beginning, it was real time. Maybe it will be some thing like that. They will pick up where the BlackRock comes closer and you can see Richard and MiB's story in the Episode, ending in the present....technically its not a flash back, cause your not Flashing back.


Does this make sence?

[JfromtheD]

....technically its not a flash back, cause your not Flashing back.
Does this make sence?

Absolutely... I've been waiting for someone to put it like that. :)

[kwatt99]

the black rock was a sailing ship, which was the advanced way to travel in its day....what if the white rock is flight 815???? it has the losties on it, jacob's recruits....would that mean that the black rock crew were MiB's recruits??? and that Dharma supports MiB and was trying to time travel him home or such, and Richard and Ben defected to Jacob's side??

Oooh, I like that!

[Dr Violence]

I think we will see the black rock in the alt timeline, maybe in a history lesson at the school where Locke, ben and probably arzt work, because I think maybe in that reality it never crashed(or it still could have) and they speak of the captain Richard Alpert. Just a thought...

[Desi420]

the black rock was a sailing ship, which was the advanced way to travel in its day....what if the white rock is flight 815???? it has the losties on it, jacob's recruits....would that mean that the black rock crew were MiB's recruits??? and that Dharma supports MiB and was trying to time travel him home or such, and Richard and Ben defected to Jacob's side??

I don't think the Black Rock was MiB's playing pieces cause when we saw them speaking on the beach with the ship in the distance... and yeah it has to be BR cause what other ship was there,
Anyway, MiB says he knows how they found the Island cause You( Jacob) brought them here.

[reverse me]

How do you think the Black Rock is going to tie into all of this?

we saw charles widmore at an auction betting on the black rock's ledger. was he maybe looking for something written inside of that? i would love to know what could be inside the ledger..it could explain how the ship ended up at the island. although charles is slightly obsessed with the island, he was on the island for a long time and the black rocks ledger was important enough for him to spend a lot of money on it, so he could know something about it that we dont

[Dzbabykel]

I think we will see the black rock in the alt timeline, maybe in a history lesson at the school where Locke, ben and probably arzt work, because I think maybe in that reality it never crashed(or it still could have) and they speak of the captain Richard Alpert. Just a thought...

Ooo that would be cool! :D

[MonicaLynn60]

I LOVE the idea of Flight 815 being "The White Rock!"

Hate it and Love it all at the same time!

[justjoe]

Well the plane was white. Just sayin'

[MonicaLynn60]

BLACK Rock.....
White Plane....

A Plane can have another meaning other than an Airplane!

ohhhhh....:p

[justjoe]

The same way a ship can have a meaning other than a ship. :p

[MonicaLynn60]

AND, there was a "Rock Star" on the "White Plane".... So, it's SO obvisiouly "The White Rock!" (Does it matter that THAT Rock star is Dead?)

Ha Ha! Classic! LOVE IT!! :D

[gingergrant]

what about the crack rock? that's what the writers have been smoking this season.

LMAO!

[Gettingafixonlost]

OR, maybe there was a hurricane. The answer may not always be complicated.

I'm sorting out some thoughts on this too. I was thinking about how the island "moves", about how people seem to flash through time, not always ending up in the same place. I noticed that Kate was in a tree after whatever happened at the end of last season happened. Is it possible that she ended up in that tree the same way the Black Rock ended up on the island? Maybe the ship was sailing along, there was a flash and bam, where there was only ocean, was now an island so the ship ended up on top of it (like Kate in the tree).

Just a thought.

I think you may be on to something Chel :) How long does it take for a tree to grow to that size? Maybe Kate was near a sapling at the time of the incident/bomb (whatever caused the time leap) and 30 years later that sapling has grown up and voila Kate's up a tree.

If so then maybe something like that happened to the Black Rock. Then again it was right there in their sights (Jacob and MIB) and probably within the perimeter of the island, idk.

I think we will see the black rock in the alt timeline, maybe in a history lesson at the school where Locke, ben and probably arzt work, because I think maybe in that reality it never crashed(or it still could have) and they speak of the captain Richard Alpert. Just a thought...

Hey!!!! I like that idea a lot :D

[krakup]

what about the crack rock? That's what the writers have been smoking this season.

Lmao!

lmao too!!

[whitestar2]

My thought on how it came to be located in the middle of the is land could have to do with the anchor of the ship or a cannon.

If there was a magnetic anomily that occurred then the metal from the ship would have pulled it inland. So the anchor or cannon could have been ripped through the ship that is where the hole in the ship came from.

Im almost sure that the ships metal being pulled by a magnetic force.

Possibly, but the ship is made of wood--I'd think if it was dragged from a point offshore it would have been pretty badly smashed up by the time it arrived inland. After all the island isn't flat and a magnetic anomoly wouldn't take a route to avoid rocks and gullies. I'm thinking that the island has been moved before and that's how it re-appears inland.:)

[Dogan 815]

It sure is a mystery how the black rock is that far in land.I think either a magnetic anomaly, the black smoke or a tsunami is the cause.

[DeathMag84]

Well that is a good question, my friend. How do you tell a story that has already happened? And I heard around the watering hole that there will be no more Flashbacks or forwards. And the talk from the Grapevine is that the time skipping is done too. So what do you do?

Was the first meeting of MiB and Jacob a flashback? I didn't hear the swooshing noise. And what was that while fLocke explaining to James about Jacob showing up in there lives, sure looked like a flashback to me.

So I know that they will have Richard centric episode. They have to.... its a most!

I've heard that there will be flashbacks, time skipping is done yes but flashbacks isn't yet. How else do you think we'll find out the story of Jacob,Richard,Smokey,Adam & Eve etc. etc. If you want to know more about this, let me know.