Crazy Guy saw Charlie too?

[chris12345]

How did the other guy in the mental institution seen Charlie too?

[yu_are_everybody-laina]

who cares.
as long as he did.
i love him.
i hope he comes from the dead alot.
i think killing charlie is ruining the show.
its just not as good anymore.
he kept the show together.
and hurley is not crazy.
yes he has a name,
hurley.
yu can just call him the crazy guy.

&&charlie was really there.
he even smacked hurley to prove it.
but i kind of think its the island,
trying to get him to go back to it can make them miserable again.
&&i have a theory that the island is hell.
because i quote.
"its too hott to be heaven here"
&&every person who goes there did something very wrong.
&&they are kind of being punished.
so yea.

but thats jsut a theory.

[Dzbabykel]

I don't think he was referring to Hurley as the crazy guy. Hurley saw Charlie as well as the other guy who was in the Asylum with Hurley. Which tells us that maybe others can see Charlie, not just Hurley's imagination.

[chris12345]

Not Hurley, the other guy in the institution. The one who told Charlie there is a guy over there looking at you.

[chris12345]

I mean the guy who told Hurley there is a guy (Charlie), over there looking at you.

[rip-charlie]

I'm very said that Charlie is gone i really liked him and i wanted to see him and clair together.

[loseme757757]

How did the other guy in the mental institution seen Charlie too? it wasnt a hallucination b.c he was really there

[chris12345]

But then how did live and how did he disappear so quickly. I don't think that Charlie would just leave if it was the real charlie.

[loseme757757]

who cares.
as long as he did.
i love him.
i hope he comes from the dead alot.
i think killing charlie is ruining the show.
its just not as good anymore.
he kept the show together.
and hurley is not crazy.
yes he has a name,
hurley.
yu can just call him the crazy guy.

&&charlie was really there.
he even smacked hurley to prove it.
but i kind of think its the island,
trying to get him to go back to it can make them miserable again.
&&i have a theory that the island is hell.
because i quote.
"its too hott to be heaven here"
&&every person who goes there did something very wrong.
&&they are kind of being punished.
so yea.

but thats jsut a theory.it cant be hell b.c they could leave. My theory is tht the people were sent there 4 a reason but the reason isnt clear yet. We dont know if all the people did somthing wrong.

[Dzbabykel]

Yah not everyone did something wrong...look at Rose and Bernard, or Walt or the flight attendant, the list goes on. I don't think the island is some out of world place since people have crashed there (for example Black Rock, Ecko's brother's plane, etc.) but there is a force field that made it so the outside world couldn't detect the island thanks to the underwater station Charlie disarmed. They mention that when the hatch blew up, for a split second the island was seen by the outside world which is how Penny's people were able to find them, then the signal went away. So I def don't think this place is hell or purgatory. It's def a real island originally used for scientific experiments and other crazy things. Just my 2 cents ;)

[chris12345]

But did that other patient see charlie?

[Dzbabykel]

Yeah he did, the other patient points out Charlie to him.

[chris12345]

i mean. If Charlie was supposed to be in Hurley's mind, the how did the other patient see him?

[aZiXx]

Dave slapped Hurley two or three times in the mental institution in a flash back in one of the episodes. So being slapped doesn't prove your tangible in Hurleys view of things. For the other patient seeing Charlie... maybe hes a savant and is able to see things others cant? Maybe Jacob or the island can manifest itself outside of the island and become tangible? Maybe it can only manifest outside of the island since the EM experiment was killed releasing the prison like state of whatever it was that was going on? I dunno. Quite odd.

[johnnydeheart]

he is on drugs and can see glimpses of other dimentions

[Archangel-Player]

Yeah Even Locke and Eko both saw Yemi . So I don'tthink that the person the guide has come for can se eit. But everyone can. Charlie did say "Im dead, but yet here I am" Perhaps when he died something happend to him as it did Desmond. Maybe not premnitions. But something else. Maybe in giving his life he was granted a gift and he is living out that gift.

This is what Im thinking Charlie is right now. It's the island trying to make Hurly see the lost path he is on and to wake him up to reality. It's not Charlie but the island replica of him.

[Dzbabykel]

Dave slapped Hurley two or three times in the mental institution in a flash back in one of the episodes. So being slapped doesn't prove your tangible in Hurleys view of things. For the other patient seeing Charlie... maybe hes a savant and is able to see things others cant? Maybe Jacob or the island can manifest itself outside of the island and become tangible? Maybe it can only manifest outside of the island since the EM experiment was killed releasing the prison like state of whatever it was that was going on? I dunno. Quite odd.

Good point on Dave slapping Hurley, I had forgotten about that and Dave is clearly made up so hmm what about Charlie? One thing I do want to mention to see if anyone has any thoughts is that while playing that Find815 game, as you find clues it will give you a season 4 clue. One of them was a pill bottle from Santa Rosa which is the place that Hurley is staying. Maybe they're giving Hurley some type of medication OR the pills surround something else. Anyway just found that interesting.

[kobefan234]

i think all mental people can see chearlie bloody pace

[bhargrove]

The reason they are sent there is that they all had terrible father's, no father at all or dis-owned their fathers, or are being tested to what type of father they are going to be. That is why both Michael and Walt were there. Walt's step father was provided for him but didn't show any interest in him and then let him go when his mother died. Michael though trying to be a good father was not allowed to have any presence in his life. Through several tests Michael proved to be worthy of the responsibility of fatherhood and they are sent home. Charlie was also being tested. Though he loved Erin and Claire he would always be married to heroin and would have a chance of harming the baby if sent back. That couldn't happen so the island/Jacob killed him. Jacob is the father to the souls that were tampered or neglected by their biological fathers.

[ladylocke]

I don't necessarily agree with that. Charlie wasn't on heroin anymore. He had the statues around but wasn't using and now the statues are also gone. He can't be married to heroin.

[GinaBina]

Why did they make Charlie look all chic? I mean, wouldn't Charlie stay looking the same as when he died, and if Hurley is just imagining him, he would remember Charlie as he was.

[bhargrove]

Once an addict always an addict. He had only been off of it for not even three months. Addicts stop taking for years and come back to it.

[jjdfw]

I have to disagree with all you all.

When the other patient pointed out to Hurley that "a man was stairing at him" he was talking about the lawyer from Oceanic airlines, not Charlie!

[Dzbabykel]

By having the other guy point out Charlie to Hurley, I think the show is trying to point out that Charlie isn't just one of Hurley's manifestations. Even Charlie says to him "you knew I'd be here" so I think there is more to it then just Hurley making him up.

[aZiXx]

I have to disagree with all you all.

When the other patient pointed out to Hurley that "a man was stairing at him" he was talking about the lawyer from Oceanic airlines, not Charlie!

I think you should watch the episode again :)

"There's a guy staring at you" "What guy?" "That guy" and then points toward the person, the only person there is Charlie, with another white guy in the background. Before I saw Charlie, I thought it was the fake lawyer stalking him, but as soon as you see Charlie, well the gig is up.

[ehodgson]

Yah not everyone did something wrong...look at Rose and Bernard, or Walt or the flight attendant, the list goes on. I don't think the island is some out of world place since people have crashed there (for example Black Rock, Ecko's brother's plane, etc.) but there is a force field that made it so the outside world couldn't detect the island thanks to the underwater station Charlie disarmed. They mention that when the hatch blew up, for a split second the island was seen by the outside world which is how Penny's people were able to find them, then the signal went away. So I def don't think this place is hell or purgatory. It's def a real island originally used for scientific experiments and other crazy things. Just my 2 cents ;)

maybe jacob is an experiment gone wrong

[PCacciatore]

I have not verified this....the crazy guy who "Saw" Charlie too...wasn't he the friend Hurley had in the mental hospital that killed himself?....It really looked like him but I haven't gone back to see if it is him or not...

[jjdfw]

[QUOTE=aZiXx;1372]I think you should watch the episode again :)

Lord, and everybody on this thread, I appologize, you guys were right and I was wrong.

I've been so surf and search and clue hunting crazy that I'm just all
JACKed up.

Sorry.

[Found in Lost]

But then how did live and how did he disappear so quickly. I don't think that Charlie would just leave if it was the real charlie.

I believe that that was Jacob, who evidently can force things to happen
Jacob projected as charlie, because hurley won't listen to any one else
and he caused the car accident, which had the same injuries of jack's ex
its amazing

[captaincatera]

The crazy guy does not look like anyone I remember, but there has to be some significance.

[bunnydixon]

it could be that the crazy guy has some ability to see more than a regular person or maybe charlie isnt really dead outwith the island reality - i am sure he says 'yes i am dead but i am also here' or something similar.

maybe hurley is paranoid and the crazy guy never actually said that at all - or maybe he even imagined the crazy guy too....

[Archangel-Player]

I think you should watch the episode again :)

"There's a guy staring at you" "What guy?" "That guy" and then points toward the person, the only person there is Charlie, with another white guy in the background. Before I saw Charlie, I thought it was the fake lawyer stalking him, but as soon as you see Charlie, well the gig is up.
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Also It shows Hurly wake up from a daze. Even when you sleep things in your dreams can make your body belive so much it's there that you actualy feel the touch from them when they touch you. Pluss we don't know if that was a dream or reaility. But perhaps the guy seeing Charlie in his dream was to prove to Hurley that this wasn't another made up chr.

I personaly want to say it was an actual happening. But the show more displays it as a dream. Just as Eko and Locke had dreams of Yemi to show them a direction. Charlie was trying to show Hurley a direction in the daze/dream.

[Snape]

Dave slapped Hurley two or three times in the mental institution in a flash back in one of the episodes. So being slapped doesn't prove your tangible in Hurleys view of things. For the other patient seeing Charlie... maybe hes a savant and is able to see things others cant? Maybe Jacob or the island can manifest itself outside of the island and become tangible? Maybe it can only manifest outside of the island since the EM experiment was killed releasing the prison like state of whatever it was that was going on? I dunno. Quite odd.

I think you're on to something - I also thought of this independently...allow me to speculate.

Here's a quick theory about why/how Hurley saw Charlie at the asylum in the flash-forward:

We know (through interviews with the creators) that the Monster (smoke monster that seems to be partly mechanical) can take on human form. The creators have also said that we have seen the Monster much more than we think we have. Is it outside the realm of possibility that the MONSTER left the island, disguised as a human? And since Charlie died on the island, couldn't the MONSTER have appeared to Hugo/Hurley in the asylum scene? Especially since he said "Yes, I'm dead - but I'm also here, aren't I?" Oh, and ESPECIALLY since the other asylum member could also see Charlie?! It could be an actual entity - the Monster taking on Charlie's form.

Since Charlie seemed to tell Hugo that the people on the island still needed him, to me it makes perfect sense for the Monster to want him to go back (in other words, there are reasons for Hugo to go back). The Monster also may be under the control of Jacob - or perhaps in a wild scenario...Jacob himself.

[hunter8768]

I'm thinking that the guy is as imaginary as Charlie.

No one else could have seen him if he was a figment of Hurley's imagination. So it only makes sense that the guy is part of his imagination. Doesn't it?

[rip-charlie]

wow wow think about it Locke had to kill his father to fit in. that is strange I never thought about it like that. Charlie didn't have to die. but hey it's a show just hope it wasn't for nothing!

[polarsawyer]

was the crazy who did see charlie johnny knoxville? just curious

[rip-charlie]

The reason they are sent there is that they all had terrible father's, no father at all or dis-owned their fathers, or are being tested to what type of father they are going to be. That is why both Michael and Walt were there. Walt's step father was provided for him but didn't show any interest in him and then let him go when his mother died. Michael though trying to be a good father was not allowed to have any presence in his life. Through several tests Michael proved to be worthy of the responsibility of fatherhood and they are sent home. Charlie was also being tested. Though he loved Erin and Claire he would always be married to heroin and would have a chance of harming the baby if sent back. That couldn't happen so the island/Jacob killed him. Jacob is the father to the souls that were tampered or neglected by their biological fathers.

Wow i never thought about this it's odd wait locke had to kill his father to fit in with the others. Ben Has not been a very good father. He killed his own. Charlie was a good father to Erin. But That is true they all (most of them) don't have good fathers in there lives I think Michael will be back and we can get some insight into what he has been doing. I don't think Charlie is dead.

[hollie425]

yea idk y the other guy saw charlie.. maybe cus hes in an institution too??? lol

[LostFreak21]

Did you notice when the guy who visited Hurley in the hospital, when he left it looked like he was the black smoke going out the door. Go back and look and see what you think.

[aZiXx]

Did you notice when the guy who visited Hurley in the hospital, when he left it looked like he was the black smoke going out the door. Go back and look and see what you think.

yse at first glance, it looks easily like a shadow. But when you look at it over and over, a shadow would not move like that across the door, it is too angular. It appears to be more of a black thing moving behind the guy.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Yes I just watched that scene over and over, it does appear to be similar to somkie but i don't think so. Why would smokie ask if "they" are still alive. Anyhow did anyone happen to get a glance at the chalkboard from that scene, the one in between hurley and the attorney dude, while they're sitting. Its a green chalkbaord and it has a good drawing on it. if i remember it right it looks like a whale or somthing and i think theres a boat and water, all drawn with white chalk i think, anyone know anything?

[jacksnurse]

i think that the "oceanic lawyer" looks alot like the other Beatrice.....yeah the drawing on the chalk board had an ocean, palm trees, shark, boat......i noticed this on a few other episodes in the background but have to think hard to remember which season/epi