Does "The Black Rock" auction sound familiar to anyone?

[DODGERDOC]

I could be wrong, but isn't The Black Rock the name of the ship that they go to on the island to find the dynamite and where Sawyer kills Lock's father. I think it's interesting that Penny's father outbid everyone for the journal of the first mate of a ship that supposedly sank. "The Constant" was an episode that made us all think about a lot of different things but this is interesting because it happened in 1996. Did Mr Whitmore know about the island way back then? Does he have ties to Darma like everyone has theorized? Or is he the person behind all the people looking for Ben? Now and in the future. Are the people Saayeed is killing off for Ben working for him. After all, Ben is one of the "good guys". I was just wondering if anyone caught this and thought that it wasn't just a coincidence like I did?

[Robo42]

I'm beginning to think Whidmore did not know fully everything until he read the Black Rock's log that he bought. I thought he was convincing when he told Desmond that he did not hate him. It may be possible he is doing right by Penny and Desmond, but they haven't shown us that yet. He did give Des Penny's adress,which ended up saving his life.
I'm also not sure who the bad guys are yet. it may turn out that both sides have good intentions, but do nasty things to achieve them.

[TuesdaySmith]

You are not wrong! The Blackrock at the auction is the same as the Blackrock on the island.

Mangus Hanso (Alvar's grandfather) was supposed to have been captaining the ship when it disappeared.. that's from Find815, but I think they mentioned the book being in the Hanso family, right?

I'm pretty convinced that Penny's dad has a stake in the Hanso Corp.. The Widmore name is all over the place.. I think Penny and her dad are both looking for the island but they're conducting separate searches, and neither one knows the other is looking.

[jacksnurse]

yes tues....penny knows des is there (from charlies communication with her) and her dad wants it for the power....i think that widmore is low enough to use penny to get to des....for the island.....the blackrock set sail in 1881 from slip "23" to be exact....widmore wants the ledger for clues so he may find the island

A page from the New World Sea Traders book with information about Magnus Hanso and the company's shipping fleetThe Black Rock was allegedly owned and run by the British trading group the New World Sea Traders. The slave trade had been outlawed in 1807, indicating the New World Sea Traders operated in the black market. The company owned a fleet of fifteen ships, including a frigate, two sloops, and three slave ships. The Black Rock may have been one of these slave ships, though they were sold in 1882, a year after the Black Rock disappeared according to Lost Experience sources, suggesting the company may have had actually sixteen ships pre-1881.

The New World Sea Traders was owned and operated by Magnus Hanso, a former ship's captain who became a business entrepreneur. While no direct ownership has been stated, it is known that the Black Rock sailed out of slip 23 in Portsmouth docks, and Hanso's trading group managed slips 18 to 27. [1](although Portsmouth harbor in Britain has been a naval port since the mid 1700s. From 1808 the Royal Navy's West Africa Squadron, who were tasked to stop the slave trade, operated out of Portsmouth).





A different look of the Black Rock, from The Lost ExperienceAccording to articles revealed by Rachel Blake, the Black Rock disappeared in 1881, on a return voyage from a gold mining operation in the South Indian Ocean. Perhaps more interesting than the fact the ship was lost were the circumstances preceding and following its disappearance. According to traders on Papua New Guinea, the ship sailed away from port in an Easterly direction, rather than West to Africa, where it would exchange gold from the mines in Indonesia and Papua New Guinea for more slaves. According to the ship's manifest that was discovered, the Black Rock initially sailed from (and was supposed to return to) slip 23 in Portsmouth, Britain -- but no shipping company claimed ownership. A crew of some 40 men, along with an uncounted number of slaves, was presumably lost at sea.[2] Magnus Hanso was known to still have a hands-on passion for the sea and insisted on captaining several voyages every year. It is likely that he was captaining the Black Rock himself when the ship disappeared, based on the note on the blast door map.
The sale of the company in 1882 to the East Ocean Trade Group saw the remainder of the New World Sea Traders slaving and military vessels converted to legitimate trading ships. In the 1950s, the Hanso Group purchased the East Ocean Trade Group, and renamed it to the Allied Copenhagen Marine Merchants. (Rachel Blake Copenhagen 02)

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[jgp52162]

I'm new to this but one thing i have a question with (time travel theory): the black rock disappeared in 1845 and the ledger was found with pirates in 1852. dynamite was discoverer/invented in 1866, patented in 1867??. is this an oversight or does this mean something?

[UnknownPoster]

Well that is an interesting fact that was probably overlooked.

I guess you might say that the explosives on board are not technically dynamite but a similar product???
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[gingergrant]

Wow! great catch! I wonder if someone with knowledge about the future was onboard and made it.

[lilsev42]

Very interesting facts about the black rock,didn't know about the dynamite oversight that is cool ,too.I believe penny's dad is the real man behind it all.He is looking for that ship,the island,Ben,and Desmond -HIS DAUGHTER HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR 6 YEARS AND IF YOU HAVE A DAUGHTER YOU KNOW YOU WOULD DO WHAT IT TAKES FOR HER HAPPINESS.

[ST Rand]

I think the key to the series is the Black Rock and its relationship to the Island. Remember the episode Enter 77, some organization considered the island or what was known then about the island and that they considered it as dangerous as a military weapon enter 77 for invasion by hostiles....look for overt metaphors correlation between the black rock of its day and purpose and the island which has the ability to conceal itself much like the black rock from the authorities that be.....if found what would happen. if someone were to board the black rock what would they find, if someone were to find the island what would they find.......if someone were to board the millenium falcon what would they find......

[Doctor Cool]

Pirates took the journal, probably with other stuff at some point, and it was recovered on Madagascar. You would think this happened after the ship had been to the island at least once before.

Also,

[ST Rand]

Another interesting parallel is the movie by M. Night Shyamalan The Village. Both are isolated both have leaders who want to protect its location from the outside world....to preserve an innocence......only Ben seems to be a bit more manipulative...consider Miles Straum's words to ben "I know who you are and what you can do" what other watchers possibly gaze over the others corporeal on non......could they be stuck in time from the Black Rock.....what about room 23 and its relationship with the black rock...not necessarily within the lost canon. could the island have just appeared in time/space and swallowed the black rock only to phase out again......vice versa.....so fast that the pirates left their slaves chained.

[Nintendo_Warrior]

I asumed it was ovious and everyone knew. Anyway, ya C.Widmore's deffintly got something going on, he's a bigger part of this story then i thought. I've seen my share of bidding, and he looked way to set on winning to not know anything about the item he was trying to get. And he left right after he won, as if that's why he was there.