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4-8-15-16-23-42
02-02-2008, 05:09 AM
I had a number of things to point out after watching the episode a second time. First of all who are the other three that get off of the island? But most importantly what I have not seen is, did anybody notice locke talking to Hurley about it not being pennys boat? How did he know this? He was not anywhere to be found yet he seems to be everywhere on the island in the past 10 or so episodes. This has to be a clue, the writers have done too good of a job to let this little thing slip by them. As far as the other 3 people I think that even though Desmond saw Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter that they are still on the island. The flash forward happens while Hurley is hugging Claire and Charlie says you have to save them (meaning Claire and Aaron). I am interested to see what happens to Sayid as he seems like a middle man in the whole story. I wonder what will happen to him?

markjs415
02-02-2008, 05:14 AM
I think when they cut to the scene where hurley and locke are sitting in thr jungle talking, it cuts in at some point after hurley explained to locke what happened to charlie

4-8-15-16-23-42
02-02-2008, 05:18 AM
makes sense, i thought of that also, but it does not appear that way in the episode. you could be right. Also, that had to be Mikhail that appeared in the window at Jacob's. At first I thought it was Locke but after watching and pausing it appeared that it was Mikhail.

animelvr31
02-02-2008, 05:24 AM
I said the EXACT same thing!!!!I just got done watching it online and I actually had to pause it and yell at the screen b/c it really disturbed me that he not only knew that Naomi was lying, but also that Charlie was dead when he wasn't anywhere around to know that. He wasn't at the beach when Desmond rode ashore, and he wasn't in the looking glass, so he shouldn't know what was written on Charlie's hand.

Well, let's see who we have so far: Jack, Kate, Hurley, possibly Sawyer, and whoever had died and was in the coffin, so that leaves one more unknown, but with the way Hurley was saying "I'm sorry for not going with you" to Jack, maybe Locke leads them into a trap where most of them die or like imprisoned or something and that Jack's way was the way to go from the very beginning. And that Jack was right in saying that Locke shouldn't be believed b/c he had destroyed every way of communication/ transportation off the island(except for the raft) for what seems to be his own selfishness. He doesn't want to leave the island, so he won't let anyone leave.
I'm also very surprised that Hurley could see and hear Jacob, b/c Ben was saying how Jacob chooses who can see and hear him.

Archangel-Player
02-02-2008, 05:49 AM
That was Locke in Jacob's house. You can see his eye. Hurly was able to see Jacob. Locke didn't let Hurly in the cabin perhaps because Jacob told Locke not to let him in because he wasn't ready yet to see Jacob. In due time he will be ready. But right now he wouldn't understand. I belive the whispering was a signal to lure Hurly over. Jacob knows that Locke will perpare Hurly in due time. But something comes in the way to interfear with that prepration. This event is talked about to Jack from Hurly in Hurly's Flash Fwd. When Hurly saids "I should have sided with you"

Locke knows many things. He knows exactly what to do for someone. just like he was able to help Charlie over come his habit. He knows exactly the right thing to do to Jack to set him off. He knew what Jack would do if he meet up again after the submarien insdent. That was why Jack was made a fool when he shot an empty gun. Locke has a connection to the island. He knows what will happen if they get off as well. Seems Walt or something in the form of Walt has reopen Locke's eyes and renewed his faith again just as it did when he first came to the island. "You have work to do"

No Locke's way wa sthe correct way. Look what happend to everyone in the Flash Fwd we have been shown. Jack is shown in shambles and his faith shaterd. Hurly the same way. Perhaps Hurly runs from Locke's crew. This would be why he wa srescued . instead of listning to Locke he lost faith and got rescued now he is paying for it in the Flash Fwd. So is Jack. Jack realizes that Locke knew what he wa stalking about andnow he is stuck and can't get back to the island. Locke destroyed the Flame and teh sub because he knew what terror they would bring. A shaterd future as we saw in the Flash Fwds.

A possability of what's going on.This season we see what happend when rescued folowing Jack's lead. Next season will be the what if if it was in Locke's lead. Then finaly season 6. rescued or realization of the bright future on the island. Just athoughtto think about. Not my conclusion. But just a thought.

aZiXx
02-02-2008, 06:30 AM
I don't think Locke prevented Hurley from going into the cabin (might not be John, but since he appears quickly it probably is). Hurley prevented himself. In every instance where something sudden happens, Hurley is a scardy-cat. The most memorable is when Michael is leading them to the field and they get ambushed, I think Jack says run, everyone goes into action... but Hurley just puts his hands on his head. There are other instances that I can't vividly recall where Hurley is for lack of a better word, a chicken-shat. He does pull his guns together sometimes, like with the van at end of S3. But most of the time, hes afraid of possible threats. He's not a bad guy, just scared a lot when otehrs are not :)

Locke is the best. He is the islands right hand man. Jack is a fool in denial.

Archangel-Player
02-04-2008, 06:00 AM
I don't think Locke prevented Hurley from going into the cabin (might not be John, but since he appears quickly it probably is). Hurley prevented himself. In every instance where something sudden happens, Hurley is a scardy-cat. The most memorable is when Michael is leading them to the field and they get ambushed, I think Jack says run, everyone goes into action... but Hurley just puts his hands on his head. There are other instances that I can't vividly recall where Hurley is for lack of a better word, a chicken-shat. He does pull his guns together sometimes, like with the van at end of S3. But most of the time, hes afraid of possible threats. He's not a bad guy, just scared a lot when otehrs are not :)

Locke is the best. He is the islands right hand man. Jack is a fool in denial.
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I don't think it wa sLocke anymore in Jacob's house. At first i thought it was. But the eye doesn't look like his now that Iv looked at that seen and screen captures of it. I belive the eye was Jacob's true form. We only got to see his eye this time around. I further belive that the image of Christian in the chair was just Jacob's choice to be seen as. Why he chose Christian's form for Hurley im not sure. But I belive the producers where giving us a clue here. I think they where trying to show us all the times we saw Christian's image on the island. It was Jacob trying to show Jack a path. Just like when he folowed it in episode "Walabout" He found shelter and water for his people. When Hurly saw Jacob's house which seem to folow him in each direction he turned. I belive this was jacob trying to guide Hurly to Locke a know tracker who could help Hurly find his way back on track since he was LOST.

As far as Hurly goese. He is learning how to be a leader him self. He is learningthat he is someone with a place in life and not just a fat waste of space as he use to see him self. He was able to overcome fear when he put his faith in the van that it would start and Charlie and he wouldn't crash into the rock. He showed that he could be a hero when he drove the van into the others. He's starting to be able to speak up and be heard. Just like when he took the walkie from Sawyer and tossed it and said lets get moving. As far as getting freake dout in the woods. i think even the hardcore key players in Lost would have been freaked out by Jacob's caben. even Locke was freaked out when he first saw it and he has a better understanding with the island then anyone.

bunnydixon
02-04-2008, 10:06 AM
remember at the end of season 3 - locke seemed to already know that the boat was not really a rescue mission already. we see him talking to walt when he is in the pit and next time we see him he has thrown a knife in naomi so who know what happened to him or what has been told to him in between?

aZiXx
02-04-2008, 06:33 PM
"What Desmond said happened down in that station, not penny's boat. Are you sure that's what Charlie wrote on his hand?"

Seems like Locke could have already been talking with Hurley. Hurley knows Locke has been on his own, he hasn't seen Locke in a long time. If Locke would have just said that without any previous dialog I do think Hurley would have picked it up. Or maybe he was still shaken by the incident that it escaped his mind. Or thought Locke spoke to Sayid, Bernard, Jin or Sawyer... I still think there was previous dialog.