Mr. Widmore and the Black Rock

[csharp1990]

In 1996 Mr. Widmore is at an auction by Tovard Hanso purchasing the only surviving journal of a crew member aboard the Black Rock ship. He paid an awful lot for that journal (£380,000). Why would he want that, and there must be some sort of connection to the Black Rock on the island. On the island the Black Rock a British trading ship that was found inland on the Island, the same ship described that was lost at sea, but a journal was somehow saved and brought back to 1996 (at least) off the island. Tovard Hanso (previous owner of the journal) is related to Magnus Hanso (owner of the ship) and Alvar Hanso (owner and CEO of the Hanso group).

More of Alvar Hanso: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso

Please post anymore ideas and theories on the Black Rock/Widmore/Hanso connections

[FanFiltration]

Locke told Walt "Two Sides. One light, one dark"

Hanso, The still unknown R.C. and, Dharma are on one side. Widmore, Ben, and Sun's father are on the another. But who is light and who is dark?

That journal was important {for information} to the non Dharma side. It couls hold clues to the location of the island.

For some reason I feel that Richard, Jacob, and the original others are in the middle of this power pay. Darma knew full well about Jacob as seen in quick {subliminal} frames of the Darma "Orchid" orientation film.

Click here for that film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI)

Why did the Darma people treat the original Others {such as Richard} as hostiles? We need to know this!

[UnknownPoster]

If this journal holds such valuable secrets, it seems odd that the Hanso family would ever part with it. I don't gather that they were desperately liquidating assets or something.

I had always assumed that Hanso and Widmore were together somehow, but now that I think of it, have we ever really seen and real proof of this?

It is hard to imagine either one of them as a good guy.
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The apprentice dicussion (http://www.tv-gossip.com/apprentice/)

[Ureval]

Question: at what point did we find out that the owner of the ships name was Magnus?

[Snape]

Question: at what point did we find out that the owner of the ships name was Magnus?

I think that was revealed in The Lost Experience which is canon but not part of the TV Series.

[Rain13]

Locke told Walt "Two Sides. One light, one dark"

Hanso, The still unknown R.C. and, Dharma are on one side. Widmore, Ben, and Sun's father are on the another. But who is light and who is dark?

That journal was important {for information} to the non Dharma side. It couls hold clues to the location of the island.

For some reason I feel that Richard, Jacob, and the original others are in the middle of this power pay. Darma knew full well about Jacob as seen in quick {subliminal} frames of the Darma "Orchid" orientation film.

Click here for that film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI)

Why did the Darma people treat the original Others {such as Richard} as hostiles? We need to know this!

What makes you think the teams are divided that way? I don't follow the internet games but I've read multiple times that Widmore, Sun's father, Alvar Hanso, and Dharma Initiative are all connected as seperate parts of a single organization, of which the true leader is not known, whether it is one of them or perhaps somebody else is anyone's guess.

Also, Dharma didn't put those frames that mention Ben in the orientation videos, the Others did. They spliced them in and were using them as subliminal messaging.

[Rain13]

Question: at what point did we find out that the owner of the ships name was Magnus?

Yes, this was revealed in one of the online games/easter egg hunts in the Lost Experience, but what most people seem to forget is that it was also revealed much, much earlier in Season 2. Remember the blast door map in the hatch? Well, one of the writings on it in plain English says this: "Known final resting place of Magnus Hanso/Black Rock".

More info on Magnus Hanso: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Magnus_Hanso

[Ureval]

Fill in the blanks.

Magnus Hanso:
Tovard Hanso:

[csharp1990]

Magnus Hanso:Owner of Black Rock ship
Tovard Hanso: Owner of the journal (ledger) before the auction.

I also have another idea, remember in des and penny's phone call she said "I know about the island, i did research." Do you think the research she did was from the Black Rock Journal her father bought.

[islander]

In 1996 Mr. Widmore is at an auction by Tovard Hanso purchasing the only surviving journal of a crew member aboard the Black Rock ship. He paid an awful lot for that journal (£380,000). Why would he want that, and there must be some sort of connection to the Black Rock on the island. On the island the Black Rock a British trading ship that was found inland on the Island, the same ship described that was lost at sea, but a journal was somehow saved and brought back to 1996 (at least) off the island. Tovard Hanso (previous owner of the journal) is related to Magnus Hanso (owner of the ship) and Alvar Hanso (owner and CEO of the Hanso group).

More of Alvar Hanso: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso

Please post anymore ideas and theories on the Black Rock/Widmore/Hanso connections

first of all, widmore could have bid annonymously through an agent, but he decided to be there in person. then, the guy wins the auction and doesn't even grab the jornal to look at it. maybe widmore doesn't want anyone else to get the journal and learn about the voyage of the blackrock (and the island where it's now resting). maybe he and the hansos are playing cat and mouse. i don't see why they'd austion it and risk the blackrock story becoming public.

[Rain13]

first of all, widmore could have bid annonymously through an agent, but he decided to be there in person. then, the guy wins the auction and doesn't even grab the jornal to look at it. maybe widmore doesn't want anyone else to get the journal and learn about the voyage of the blackrock (and the island where it's now resting). maybe he and the hansos are playing cat and mouse. i don't see why they'd austion it and risk the blackrock story becoming public.

In high-stakes auctions like this I'm assuming it's customary that the winnings would either be hand delivered to the winner or that the winner is just so filthy-stinkin rich that he pays people to go over and bag it up for him while he waits in the car :D But in all seriousness, there would probably be lots of paperwork to be signed before he would be able to take it home, so I don't think him leaving so quickly indicates anything other than the fact that he had accomplished all that he was there to do.

[islander]

In high-stakes auctions like this I'm assuming it's customary that the winnings would either be hand delivered to the winner or that the winner is just so filthy-stinkin rich that he pays people to go over and bag it up for him while he waits in the car :D But in all seriousness, there would probably be lots of paperwork to be signed before he would be able to take it home, so I don't think him leaving so quickly indicates anything other than the fact that he had accomplished all that he was there to do.

actually, come to think about it, i believe auction protocol would have allowed him to inspect the journal before he bid on it so he'd know its contents already.