Helicopters

[aZiXx]

We have two scenes already of helicopters.
1. Naomis heli, we hear it, then we see it crash into the water, indicated by the splash we see and hear. Then we see her parachute and the beacon.
2. The new guy parachuting out of heli. If you look at the heli, it is swerving around like its uncontrolled.

The first was because the heli was losing power or something like that (EM related?)

The second the heli got closer that the first and was actually over land... but the guy bailed anyways?

That's twice they try to come in with helis and both times they can't... how is Desmonds vision supposed to come true?

[UnknownPoster]

Would desmond have lied to Charlie about Claire and Aaron getting in a helicopter? Maybe he saw a helicopter in the vision and added the rest so Charlie would die in a heroic way since Desmond knew he was destined to die one way or another regardless?
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[aZiXx]

Yup, could be, would explain why we havent seen the flash. He knew Charlie was going to die there, and it was important to do. He maybe originally thought enough of it, Charlie just needs to do it and get the universe course corrected once and for all... and then just before going in he feels guilty and tries to take his place? Too bad we couldn't see the actual vision. Cause those helis don't seem to last very long in the air.

[Dzbabykel]

I don't think Desmond would have lied about the visions he saw, he's really tore about Charlie's death and I think he feels like he's the one to blame. Remember the heli was swaying back and forth over the ocean because there was a storm and it was raining. I think after he drops off the parachute guy he plans on finding a place to land on the island, somewhere near the beach. Hmmm should be interesting :)

[skitch]

It looked to me like the heli flared out so George could get out safely. We know from the previews that there are more boaters on the island soon. I'm almost postive that they don't all arrive via helicopter. I did think it was weird that George showed up first and alone. Is he the leader of the boaters and, if so, why did he arrive alone? Lots of questions, very few answers. Just like the last 3 seasons. I love it.

[aZiXx]

I don't think Desmond would have lied about the visions he saw, he's really tore about Charlie's death and I think he feels like he's the one to blame. Remember the heli was swaying back and forth over the ocean because there was a storm and it was raining. I think after he drops off the parachute guy he plans on finding a place to land on the island, somewhere near the beach. Hmmm should be interesting :)

Well it was night time, but it was not raining for Naomi's heli. It rained later that day when they walk in the bush to find her. For George's heli it was raining. I guess it could have still been OK that heli, we'll have to see. From the sneak peak at next weeks show, the girl had a red beacon thing like Naomi, she looked like she parachuted too.

[Dzbabykel]

I still hold my theory that Locke hid the submarine before he showed the explosion hehe :D

[UnknownPoster]

As you said the helicopters are having lots of technical difficulty.

Desmond saw Claire and Aaron getting into a chopper, but maybe it later crashes and they do not make it...
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[TuesdaySmith]

My impression of the second helicopter was that it was not so much out of control, it was just letting the dude (I forget his name) out. The phone that the losties have has GPS, so they (the bargers) knew the exact location of where the losties were. The helicopter couldn't land in the middle of the jungle, so the dude parachuted out to get as close to the losties as possible, and it's going to go land on the beach of something. I guess I'd have to watch it again, but I've already watched it a few times and nothing with the helicopter seemed out of the ordinary to me.

[bunnydixon]

at first i actually thought things were falling off the helicopter until my other half pointed out that it was the guy with the paracute!

perhaps they are aware of certain elements of the island - such as the childbirth issue and they take claire and aaron for almost the same purposes that the others took claire? and this is why desmond sees them getting on a helicopter?

[msmith92]

Something about Desmond doesn't settle with me. I got a feeling he's up to something else. I think his visions are an annoyance (to him) and a side effect that's hindering some other plan of his. The visions sort of force him to deal with situations instead of run from them. I think the island is teaching him that and Charlie was the first test.

Secondly, why would penny know the name Naomi? She's just a privileged lady who hired people to find Desmond. The chances of her personally knowing each crew member is a bit much. So, maybe in Charlie's attempt to do good in the last minute he made a bad and hasty presumption that it wasn't Penny's boat.

[john-locke (harry)]

maybe naomi and her crew are a part of the darma initiative because if you remember they wer killed off by hostiles maybe they want to come back and finish there work!!!

[john-locke (harry)]

thats why ben is sooo threatened by them

[bunnydixon]

yes because when the purge happened, there had to be dharma peeps still in the hatches? although they do look quite young but:

1) we dont know what year the purge happened (i think)
2) we know that some dont age (or age normally) on the island.

[Dzbabykel]

I did read that there is someone else, or perhaps a few people, that were originally a part of the Dharma Initiative people (like Ben) that are still around and with the Others. What was the little girl's name that was friend's with Ben when he was a kid again? I have a feeling she might come back into play....she was the one that only seemed to really care for him and even gave him a birthday present.

[bunnydixon]

annie?

i think!

[msmith92]

I just think Charlie made a mistake by saying that it's not Penny's boat. What will distinguish a rescue from Penny in the near future? Now every rescue attempt is suspicious. It mainly leaves it open I guess for the story line. One more mystery.

[Dzbabykel]

annie?

i think!

That's right, it was Annie! Thanks :)

[Dzbabykel]

I just think Charlie made a mistake by saying that it's not Penny's boat. What will distinguish a rescue from Penny in the near future? Now every rescue attempt is suspicious. It mainly leaves it open I guess for the story line. One more mystery.

It's not so much important that these people aren't from Penny's boat because even though they aren't they could still rescue them...I mean any boat could mean rescue, right? But I think the main point we need to remember here is is that Naomi specifically said that she was sent to the island FROM Penny and even says "Desmond?" when Des takes off her helmet. So the fact that Naomi deliberately lied to them shows that they could potentially be bad people. I mean if she didn't know Penny, she could have just said so but also said that they could help them. Just seems a bit fishy to me.

[aZiXx]

Something about Desmond doesn't settle with me. I got a feeling he's up to something else. I think his visions are an annoyance (to him) and a side effect that's hindering some other plan of his. The visions sort of force him to deal with situations instead of run from them. I think the island is teaching him that and Charlie was the first test.

Secondly, why would penny know the name Naomi? She's just a privileged lady who hired people to find Desmond. The chances of her personally knowing each crew member is a bit much. So, maybe in Charlie's attempt to do good in the last minute he made a bad and hasty presumption that it wasn't Penny's boat.

Charlie tells Penny how hes a survivor of Oceanic and that Desmond is there. Then...

Charlie: "Hey, are you on the boat?"
Penny: "Wha... what boat?"
Charlie: "Your boat. 80 miles offshore. Uhhh... Na...Naomi... parachuters"
Penny: "I'm not on a boat. Who... who's Naomi?"

It does not sound like she knows of any of her boats being out anywhere. And, if it was her boat looking to establish communications with the island, why wouldn't the boat be trying to send a transmission. Seems she is on her own in that respect. The boat is after something else.

[Found in Lost]

We have two scenes already of helicopters.
1. Naomis heli, we hear it, then we see it crash into the water, indicated by the splash we see and hear. Then we see her parachute and the beacon.
2. The new guy parachuting out of heli. If you look at the heli, it is swerving around like its uncontrolled.

The first was because the heli was losing power or something like that (EM related?)

The second the heli got closer that the first and was actually over land... but the guy bailed anyways?

That's twice they try to come in with helis and both times they can't... how is Desmonds vision supposed to come true?


Well, i believe the first time that the helicopter was coming it bailed out because the Dharma station The Looking Glass was still operational
the whole point of that was to make the island invisible, like the book where the man crashes on Krakatoa, where the diamond mines were supposed to be
instead of letting him go, they make him stay, and even crash it so he can't tell anyone
that is why naomi's crashes

the second time is because of the storm it was out of control
and how do we know that osmeone else wasn't flying that helicopter, it might have had a few people in it

[aZiXx]

Charlotte is the other person that was in the chopper from what I gather of E02 sneak peak. She bailed too, but doesn't know if the pilot managed to land the heli.

[Dzbabykel]

Yah apparently Locke is the one who finds Charlotte after she jumps from the plane, which would explain that one screen cap of Locke looking at some woman with her head bleeding. Maybe she'll end up joining their group some how?