i think i figured out a major plotline...

[addictedtopainmeds]

when the hatch imploded, it has been said that what ever kept the island in the future broke. so since that incident, real time has been catching up to the island. which means, i suppose, that the island will be visible to the rest of the world very soon. then there where the gas masks the 4 brought to the island with them. my guess is that some secret organization, who ever is in charge of the island, wants to rid the island of any proof of what ever was going on there...including killing off whoever might be on the island, before everything is exposed. any thoughts???

[justjoe]

Funny, since the hatch implosion I thought the island was losing time to the rest of the world. Hence the 31 minute delay.

[tcryder06]

that's a real good theory! nice,.... i like!

[addictedtopainmeds]

Funny, since the hatch implosion I thought the island was losing time to the rest of the world. Hence the 31 minute delay.

i think the 31 minute delay showed that it took that long for time to catch up with the rocket. the rocket was sent from the past and the time it took to get to the island showed how much further in the future it is from the rest of the world. think about this, if i am on a ship communicating with someone on the island in real time, something is shot from the ship, if the island was in the past, the rocket would never arrive since from the islands point of view this action hasn't happened yet. however, if the island is in the future, the rocket would reach it's destination, it would only take longer sine there is a time difference of some sort between the ship and the island. does that make any sense?

[Dessie_hull]

didn't the helicopter take hours to get to the freighter even though juliet said it would take 40 minutes?

[addictedtopainmeds]

didn't the helicopter take hours to get to the freighter even though juliet said it would take 40 minutes?

my guess for that would be that to travel against time(going in the past) would be harder(with friction of some sort) than traveling with time(into the future)

[justjoe]

I understnad what you're saying but I am going to have to think about it a little more.

[Atlanta Rain]

Thats a good thought but then why would this electromagetic force ,that causes side effects(des metal trips) that can cause time travel, still surrounding the island if the hatch was the cause of the time difference? ...gotta love LOST

[addictedtopainmeds]

Thats a good thought but then why would this electromagetic force ,that causes side effects(des metal trips) that can cause time travel, still surrounding the island if the hatch was the cause of the time difference? ...gotta love LOST

but ah! the island is still in the future...recent time has not caught up yet. there may be no more force, but there is still a process to go through to reach the island....

[Atlanta Rain]

Yeah i see where your getting at...not bad

[Elmer]

But then how are the sat. phones able to be used to communicate with the ship in real time... no delay?

[justjoe]

Specially developed Sat phones.

[addictedtopainmeds]

But then how are the sat. phones able to be used to communicate with the ship in real time... no delay?

i am guessing that satellite and radio-waves don't travel the same way through space like physical matter does

[Elmer]

I could go with the specially developed sat phones.. But if sat and radio waves aren't subject to the same restrictions, think of the havoc that would cause.

[Snape]

i am guessing that satellite and radio-waves don't travel the same way through space like physical matter does

Except that radio waves are physical matter (wave/particle duality of light/photons).

[addictedtopainmeds]

Except that radio waves are physical matter (wave/particle duality of light/photons).

really? ok. i give. but the island is still in the future

[Snape]

I think the right way to go about this is induction. Like let's assume that it is in the future - is there anything that can be used to DISPROVE that?

[addictedtopainmeds]

I think the right way to go about this is induction. Like let's assume that it is in the future - is there anything that can be used to DISPROVE that?

honestly, nothing that i can think of. some people think the payload being 31 minutes late proves that the island is in the past, but i think it proves that they are in the future. if you notice, there are only flashbacks and flash-forwards. no flash present time(as in what is going on in the real world right now). desmond got ahold of penny, but all we know is that it was christmas where ever she was. my guess is that the island was at one point further in the future but after the hatch imploded, the future part stopped and real time is now sneaking up on the island. didn't they mention its almost christmas on the island? the first 2 seasons on the show could have had a present time that was much further in the past than now

[Snape]

Do you concede that communications to the island must also undergo the time difference? If so, the events are inconsistent.

[addictedtopainmeds]

Do you concede that communications to the island must also undergo the time difference? If so, the events are inconsistent.

explain further...

[Elmer]

I still don't know if I have seen anything that shows that the island is not in the same time as the rest of the world. The only place where we have seen any discrepency in time is when something is coming or going from the island (ie the rocket or helicopter). And if it was time catching up with the island why would it have only taken 31 minutes for the rocket yet and entire day for the helicopter. The events were happening at almost the same time correct? I think the time variance may be more related to velocity while passing through the storm.

[addictedtopainmeds]

I still don't know if I have seen anything that shows that the island is not in the same time as the rest of the world. The only place where we have seen any discrepency in time is when something is coming or going from the island (ie the rocket or helicopter). And if it was time catching up with the island why would it have only taken 31 minutes for the rocket yet and entire day for the helicopter. The events were happening at almost the same time correct? I think the time variance may be more related to velocity while passing through the storm.

so, what do we have here then? the bermuda triangle?

[Elmer]

Very possibly. Who is to say though that storm is not man made. Possibly harnessing what ever powers the island has to keep people away. and the time displacement may just be an unitentional side effect. There were definately strange things early on in the island setting up the hatches and the button that needed to be pushed that had somewhat supernatural effects/causes. Pushing a button to keep catastophe away does not sound like a naturally occuring scenario.

[Snape]

explain further...

Ok, so say the Island is 31 minutes in the future from the rest of the world.

Now here comes Naomi and the freighter folks - they zoom 31 minutes into the future and join Island time. They are now on Island time, 31 minutes ahead of the world.

Now they receive an incoming call on their sattelite phone from off the Island. This phone call was placed 31 minutes in the past. However, the radio waves had to pass the barrier to get on the Island - they zoom forward by 31 minutes. Therefore, the radio signal is now on Island time.

Therefore, to the observer on the Island, they cannot tell that they are 31 minutes ahead. The only way to verify that they are in the future (or the past - basically any other time) is to find something to observe that both parties can look at simultaneously. Perhaps the position of the stars in the sky or a sunset or something like that. This is assuming that the barrier that must be crossed to jump in time doesn't extend above the Island, but only around it.


That is how it's inconsistent with the rocket launch anomaly. If communications must also go through the barrier, the 2 situations are incongruous.

[stuartsjg]

Einstein proved the link between light, gravity and time.

It may not be a magnetic or electromagnetic (they are technically the same thing, although peple tend to associate "magnetic" with perpanant magnets and "electromagnetic" with electrically induced magnetic fields - light is an electromagnetic wave which our eyes can see) but be gravity.

If some gravity field exists around the island then this could bend space-time. Meaning time and space bend around the gravity bubble - like a ball on a rubber sheet. This has been proven many many times. Only very dense objects like the sun or black holes can produce any measurable space-time changes. Perhaps the old Black Hole theoies about lost are true - is the island whats at the end of the bermuda or less well known dragons driangle (off Japan)?

If you think of something mathematically, if there are 3 interlinked parts, if you change one thing, keep the 2nd the same, then the 3rd will change.

if gravity, light (electromagentic (EM) fields) and time are connected, its possible that a strong EM ("light") filed exisits, and gravity is the constant (nobody is heavier or lighter) then time would be the thing that changes to balance off the equation.

Stuart

[Snape]

Einstein proved the link between light, gravity and time.

It may not be a magnetic or electromagnetic (they are technically the same thing, although peple tend to associate "magnetic" with perpanant magnets and "electromagnetic" with electrically induced magnetic fields - light is an electromagnetic wave which our eyes can see) but be gravity.

If some gravity field exists around the island then this could bend space-time. Meaning time and space bend around the gravity bubble - like a ball on a rubber sheet. This has been proven many many times. Only very dense objects like the sun or black holes can produce any measurable space-time changes. Perhaps the old Black Hole theoies about lost are true - is the island whats at the end of the bermuda or less well known dragons driangle (off Japan)?

If you think of something mathematically, if there are 3 interlinked parts, if you change one thing, keep the 2nd the same, then the 3rd will change.

if gravity, light (electromagentic (EM) fields) and time are connected, its possible that a strong EM ("light") filed exisits, and gravity is the constant (nobody is heavier or lighter) then time would be the thing that changes to balance off the equation.

Stuart

Well, it's a fine theory ... in theory. But realize that the mass of the object that would have to be present to cause such an extreme fluctuation would be several millions of times the mass of the Sun!

The Sun itself only bent light by what was it...100 arc-seconds or so in the famous experiment that proved Relativity in the early 1900's. And 100 arc-seconds is like...nothing. It's like about 1/10 of a degree on a circle.

Anyone in ANY proximity to such a massive object would simply be sucked in - no one in the area (much less no one in the same Solar System) could fail to overlook such an anomaly.

[Elmer]

With that theory would mass make a difference? Light would travel almost seemlessly, sound may have slight lag effects, the rocket slightly more, the helicopter quite larger effect?

[Snape]

With that theory would mass make a difference? Light would travel almost seemlessly, sound may have slight lag effects, the rocket slightly more, the helicopter quite larger effect?

Yes. That makes good sense and mass <I>could</I> be the deciding factor.

[stuartsjg]

Hi,

i agree with you there. Some scientists (credable i should add) are thinking there may be micro blackholes floating about that we dont know about...

Anyway, i did say:
"if gravity, light (electromagentic (EM) fields) and time are connected, its possible that a strong EM ("light") filed exisits, and gravity is the constant (nobody is heavier or lighter) then time would be the thing that changes to balance off the equation."

If you take that approch, then gravity - hence mass - will be the same but the EM field may affect space-time if its sufficency strong.

Its possible that time may be unchanged, however if space is changed as a result of the EM field, then at the same speed, distance will be greater and so too will time be - but you would notice this de-tour.

I am interested though that the helecopter occupants, whilst they noticed the time shift, they only though they were in flight a short duration. This implies that either speed, distance or time must have changed - or a combination.

I'm wondering if the thundercould gateway discussed on other threads is caused by the opening - if there are EM fields at play (thoes of the island and everywhere else), where two collide there may be effects such as lightning etc.

Stuart

[Ureval]

My thought is not that the island is in the future or past but that it is vibrating at a different temporal frequency from the rest of the world. Think of it like this: if you could have a birdseye view of the world and could see space-time, the island would be vibrating while the rest of the world stood still. And so, while the island is close to normal time, there could be differences of minutes, hours, or even days both past and future.

For example you could send a rocket from the outside world and it may only take 31 minutes, or you could fly a helicopter and it would take over a day. We havent seen it yet, and may not, but it would be cool to see something show up that hasnt even been sent yet. :)

Just a possibility. :)

[XmasDVD]

when the hatch imploded, it has been said that what ever kept the island in the future broke. so since that incident, real time has been catching up to the island. which means, i suppose, that the island will be visible to the rest of the world very soon. then there where the gas masks the 4 brought to the island with them. my guess is that some secret organization, who ever is in charge of the island, wants to rid the island of any proof of what ever was going on there...including killing off whoever might be on the island, before everything is exposed. any thoughts???

That leads to discussion about how people thought putting in the numbers every 108 minutes 'reset' something. It must be resetting some time-related device or something (or it did)