Smoky Lied

[jblost]

About leading Jack to water... I think he was trying to kill him in season 1. Running him off a cliff.

Also, John Locke was special. He had a special connection to the island. Since he died, maybe that connection is passing along to Jack.



What else did he lie about? Maybe all his 'answers' are just bs and can't be accepted? Or leading you in a particular direction?

Thoughts?

[rachelskid]

yep, he could be lying. so could jacob. i do think one of the information givers is likely a liar.

[3d-aholic]

Also, John Locke was special.
Yeh, he was special alright.
He was a special sucker....that would make P.T. Barnum proud.

Sorry...its just a show.

[Jeremy]

I don't think MiB wanted any of them dead until Jacob was dead, because he needed to use them to kill Jacob. He might have needed Jack to think the way he did of Locke, that Locke was just a crazy old man, so he would lack faith.

[Greg Dharma]

I don't think MiB wanted any of them dead until Jacob was dead, because he needed to use them to kill Jacob. He might have needed Jack to think the way he did of Locke, that Locke was just a crazy old man, so he would lack faith.

right you are, sir.:D

[islelost]

That scene always struck me funny Jack falls off the the cliff holding onto a branch and out of no where Locke pulls him up. Not only does he pull him up but with no panic, he does not even say anything just puts his hand over and pulls him over. Why wouldnt the black smoke want Jack dead? As long as the candidates keep coming this keeps him on the island. Ilana was sent to protect them from MIB so I would think he would try to kill them. When he talks to Jacob on the beach he seems annoyed that more were coming. This whole get back on the plane deal I am not buying it. The plane is magically going to start and Frank will fly them home???I think he will have better luck turning the wheel to get off.:)

[disposable_hero]

Right friend is just a show come on people take from lost what the creators really want to pass to the audinece and i tkink... it's good!!! :D

[Desi420]

I think originally Jack was the supposed to die. In the very beginning he was the one that would lead everyone to their doom as Smokey would have posed as him. But the tv exec. didn't want the hero killed off so they used Christien throughout the show.

[antdawg]

I think in fact I read that somehwre, that Jack was originally supposed to die early on, but for some reason TPTB changed their minds.

[Cee]

Mib needs the candidates alive to leave apparently but i ask myself where? They have to go back to the world they left behind not the flash sideways because of the others, if we are looking at it from this point of view I foresee another plane crash as the ending...

[losttime]

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Also, John Locke was special. He had a special connection to the island. Since he died, maybe that connection is passing along to Jack.


Locke was no more special than any of the Other candidates. MIB only chose him because he saw Locke to be easily manipulated.

The whole idea of Locke being special was created by Locke in 1954 when he time skipped and met with Richard and told him he was to be there Leader and that he will be born at a certain place and time.

Then shows up again in 2004 and is able to walk again. Jacob never meant for Locke to replace Ben but a possible candidate to replace himself.

So no, I dont think Locke was really anything "special" as was portrayed. We have been told what Locke was a candidate for and why Smokey/MIB chose him.

[Desi420]

Mib needs the candidates alive to leave apparently but i ask myself where? They have to go back to the world they left behind not the flash sideways because of the others, if we are looking at it from this point of view I foresee another plane crash as the ending...
I don't think he needs them alive. I think he just can't kill them. Unless he needs them to create some kind of mirror set up to leave the bubble.

[losttime]

If MIB needs the candidates alive to leave the Island then he is SOL since he had Locke killed who was def a candidate as was countless others based on the comment made that there are only 6 left indicating there were more at one point.

[Seven_patch]

MIB has no problem with having the candidates die as a means to leave the island. MIB has already tried to kill Hurley. Anyone remember Dave? Dave had Hurley convinced that he was imagining everything on the island, that he was really still in the mental hospital. Dave's cure was for Hurley to walk off a cliff. Libby saved Hurely.

[boutte]

MIB has no problem with having the candidates die as a means to leave the island. MIB has already tried to kill Hurley. Anyone remember Dave? Dave had Hurley convinced that he was imagining everything on the island, that he was really still in the mental hospital. Dave's cure was for Hurley to walk off a cliff. Libby saved Hurely.

Yeah he just can't directly kill them himself.

[Splashtcup]

About leading Jack to water... I think he was trying to kill him in season 1. Running him off a cliff.

Also, John Locke was special. He had a special connection to the island. Since he died, maybe that connection is passing along to Jack.



What else did he lie about? Maybe all his 'answers' are just bs and can't be accepted? Or leading you in a particular direction?

Thoughts?

http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?p=390309#post390309

[myu]

MIB has no problem with having the candidates die as a means to leave the island. MIB has already tried to kill Hurley. Anyone remember Dave? Dave had Hurley convinced that he was imagining everything on the island, that he was really still in the mental hospital. Dave's cure was for Hurley to walk off a cliff. Libby saved Hurely.

Very good point. I think this all may be like some kind of "key", where Smokey can't leave unless he has all of the living candidates with him. And he can't kill them outright himself, remember... "the rules" that the little mystery boy spoke of. So, on the one hand, Smokey could care less if the surviving candidates are in mortal danger. However, when he wishes to make the final move to depart, he'll want all of them with him. That seems to be his plan.

[Seven_patch]

Very good point. I think this all may be like some kind of "key", where Smokey can't leave unless he has all of the living candidates with him. And he can't kill them outright himself, remember... "the rules" that the little mystery boy spoke of. So, on the one hand, Smokey could care less if the surviving candidates are in mortal danger. However, when he wishes to make the final move to depart, he'll want all of them with him. That seems to be his plan.

Yes, perhaps he only needs one of them alive. The rest, well if they happen to die. oh well, gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. Yes?

[abcd1234]

ok I know smokey is not in lockes body, so save the backlash, but since he looks like locke and could in some ways have his DNA or personality or whatever, and since he is one of the last 6 (right?) maybe MIB needs to do something with the candidates as one of the candidates

[losttime]

ok I know smokey is not in lockes body, so save the backlash, but since he looks like locke and could in some ways have his DNA or personality or whatever, and since he is one of the last 6 (right?) maybe MIB needs to do something with the candidates as one of the candidates

Why would he have his DNA? Smokey knows what Locke was all about and was able to read his mind and his memories. That doenst mean he has his DNA imprinted on him though.

Not saying it doesnt but what are you basing this theory on? I can put on a costume and look like a person but it doesnt mean I am imprinted with that persons DNA.

beside do you think Smokey would want to have the DNA of someone who he found to be "pathetis" and "sad" and however else he described Locke, imprinted on him? Very doubtful

[abcd1234]

Why would he have his DNA? Smokey knows what Locke was all about and was able to read his mind and his memories. That doenst mean he has his DNA imprinted on him though.

Not saying it doesnt but what are you basing this theory on? I can put on a costume and look like a person but it doesnt mean I am imprinted with that persons DNA.

beside do you think Smokey would want to have the DNA of someone who he found to be "pathetis" and "sad" and however else he described Locke, imprinted on him? Very doubtful

ok literally DNA is probably a bad example of what I am trying to say. What I am saying is, now that MIB is permanently in the form of john locke, is it possible he can take his place as a candidate?

[Czechmate]

It's an interesting theory.

[chris197337]

I don't think Locke was special.I think it was only because of the time traveling encounters with Richard and Jack speaking well of him to Richard that he ended up being the leader of the others. When Richard tested him as a child he didn't pass and aside from being leader there was no evidence of him being "special". I think it was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[don1964a@yahoo.com]

MIB has no problem with having the candidates die as a means to leave the island. MIB has already tried to kill Hurley. Anyone remember Dave? Dave had Hurley convinced that he was imagining everything on the island, that he was really still in the mental hospital. Dave's cure was for Hurley to walk off a cliff. Libby saved Hurely.

I still have a problem with the Dave episode...I just rewatched season 2..and at the end they show Hurley really is in a mental hospital and Libby was with him.....he was supposedly imagining the island.....He never interacted with Libby in the hospital..they just showed she was there....hmmmmmm

[losttime]

ok literally DNA is probably a bad example of what I am trying to say. What I am saying is, now that MIB is permanently in the form of john locke, is it possible he can take his place as a candidate?

Ok so the only way that would be possible is if the entity Smokey that is using that form dies in that image and the real john Locke comes back to life?

[Desi420]

A little off topic here. Last night I was watching a show called Supernatureal, where the actor who plays Jacob frequently guest stars as the Devil..... well since meeting Jacob last season and already 2/3rds in to season 6, I must say it was a relief to see him kick Ass... even if it had nothing to do with Lost..... but between the 2 shows and a number of other ones he has been on since his ;acob appearance all he has done was talk. Talk talk talk... then suddenly he shoves his arm through a pagan God.... I must say, he is a bad ass. Creepy too.

[Seven_patch]

A little off topic here. Last night I was watching a show called Supernatureal, where the actor who plays Jacob frequently guest stars as the Devil..... well since meeting Jacob last season and already 2/3rds in to season 6, I must say it was a relief to see him kick Ass... even if it had nothing to do with Lost..... but between the 2 shows and a number of other ones he has been on since his ;acob appearance all he has done was talk. Talk talk talk... then suddenly he shoves his arm through a pagan God.... I must say, he is a bad ass. Creepy too.

Supernatural, that show is awesome. I haven't watched it since the second season. Is it still good?