My thoughts on the 6 and Claire

[akheirax]

I am starting to think that Claire will not die and she will agree to give Kate Aaron. Here is how..

The oceanic 6 werent close to the blowup of the Hatch. So they are not affected by the side effect which like Desmond has. Desmond managed to get a constant who was Pene. Now the rest of the losties who will be affected by leaving the Island since they were exposed to the electromagnetic due to the explosion of the hatch, will have no choice but to stay on the Island. Otherwise they will die one by one like Minoski. Aaron doesnt have a past outside the Island, he cant have a side effect, and if he does he will have the Oceanic 6 to chose a constant.

Any thoughts guys?

[ortrules]

Any thoughts guys?

Yes, why would Claire give up Aaron? They seem to be doing just fine on the island, so why would she just give him up like that?

[akheirax]

Yes, why would Claire give up Aaron? They seem to be doing just fine on the island, so why would she just give him up like that?

Because Aaron can survive outside the Island while Claire will die without having a constant.

[Quick Draw]

Couldn't Claire easily use her aunt as a constant, and Sun & Jin have Sun's father. I think proximity to the hatch is a tricky subject because while the ones on the beach were closer than Jack, Kate, Sawyer, & Hurley, nobody was closer to the fail-safe key than Des, it's likely that Locke would be effected but I don't know if it has to screw everybody up.

[agmic]

How close is close, I thought the Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and the Others were on a dock when the hatch blew. That would count for 4 of the O6. While Sayid was at the beach saving Charlie again...... but again how close is close....if everyone else got affected, wouldn't the O6 be affected also????

[akheirax]

Couldn't Claire easily use her aunt as a constant, and Sun & Jin have Sun's father. I think proximity to the hatch is a tricky subject because while the ones on the beach were closer than Jack, Kate, Sawyer, & Hurley, nobody was closer to the fail-safe key than Des, it's likely that Locke would be effected but I don't know if it has to screw everybody up.


Draw, how can Claire use her aunt? From my understanding in order to survive outside the Island one of these two are needed:

1: Like Des, a constant from the past with the present.

2: Not affected by the explosion of the hatch or exposed to electromagentic/radiation field.

The Oceanic 6 fall under the second one. While Aaron falls under the first one since he was born on the Island and doesnt have a past to confuse him.

[akheirax]

How close is close, I thought the Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and the Others were on a dock when the hatch blew. That would count for 4 of the O6. While Sayid was at the beach saving Charlie again...... but again how close is close....if everyone else got affected, wouldn't the O6 be affected also????


Sayid, Jin and Sun were far away from the hatch.
From the 4 only Sawyer will be staying behind.

[justjoe]

As was said before why would Claire willingly give up her baby? Neither she nor the baby are in imminent danger.

[akheirax]

As was said before why would Claire willingly give up her baby? Neither she nor the baby are in imminent danger.


Maybe Aaron is in danger from Dharmas/baddies or even in danger from Jacob. I am convinced Claire will willingly give up Aaron for his own safety.

[ortrules]

Because Aaron can survive outside the Island while Claire will die without having a constant.
Yes, but why would Claire give the baby away? Claire would continue living if she doesn't leave the island, so why give up the baby? They could both continue living on the island - and if other people stay behind, both Claire and the baby would be looked after.

[agmic]

until that crazy bald head guy gets them.:D:D:D

[akheirax]

Yes, but why would Claire give the baby away? Claire would continue living if she doesn't leave the island, so why give up the baby? They could both continue living on the island - and if other people stay behind, both Claire and the baby would be looked after.


LOL, I am on overdrive thinking. From what you are saying it makes sense. But seeing as Aaron did leave the Island, it hit me that Claire doesnt necessarily have to die to give up Aaron to Kate.

[ortrules]

LOL, I am on overdrive thinking. From what you are saying it makes sense. But seeing as Aaron did leave the Island, it hit me that Claire doesnt necessarily have to die to give up Aaron to Kate.
Yes, it would be impossible for us to know Claire's fate. But the one thing that I can say for certain is that there is no way Claire would just give up her baby - unless something happens to her. That something may not be death, but she has to be in some drastic situation for her to give up Aaron.

[eh?1234]

Just thinking that in the beginning of this whole thing Claire say the fortune teller and she said that Claire should not raise the baby, that a couple in LA were to raise the child. She gave the baby up because she knows where Jack is a Dr. And Kate's going back... she's doing as the fortune teller says.

Do you think that maybe Claire and Jack find out before he leaves the island that they share the same Dad and that Jack is afraid of Aaron? :confused:

[IrishDancinQueen]

Not sure if I should start a new thread for this or if this has been addressed on another thread, but (and these are just my bored ramblings right now to avoid doing my work) I'm thinking that Aaron may play a big role in why Jack feels they have to return to the Island. The psychic said that Claire had to be the one to raise Aaron or something big and horrible would happen in the future. What if by the time we've seen the flashforward in Eggtown Jack has realized that something is not right about Aaron and thus is reluctant to come and see him. This reason would have to be made much more clear by the time of the flashforward of bearded Jack. Perhaps removing Aaron from the influence of Claire has turned him into some sort of anti-christ figure (a stretch, I know). I'm also wondering if Walt would somehow play into this. Throughout Lost there has been a theme of light versus dark. Perhaps one child is on the side of light and the other on the side of darkness--not sure how this plays into everything else, but like I said, I didn't feel like doing real work right now.

Feel free to expand on this or berate me for being an idiot :p

[akheirax]

I was half right. Claire isnt dead...sort of lol.

[BigL5000]

Claire does'nt just give Aaron up. We all seen what happened and what was said. It is something a lot deeper than just letting him go.

[Turnip Queen]

I'm not sure where I stand as regards Claire being alive or dead, I'm still holding out for her being alive - I'm just wondering when we're going to see her again - what about Desmond's vision of her getting into the helicopter? And when the Oceanic 6 were on the plane, they said they were all in shock. People must've just died. But that doesn't mean Claire did yet...ahh I don't know anymore!

[sirchin]

Yes, but why would Claire give the baby away? Claire would continue living if she doesn't leave the island, so why give up the baby? They could both continue living on the island - and if other people stay behind, both Claire and the baby would be looked after.

I agree with you ort, if Claire is alive and chooses to stay behind or get's left behind, we know at the very least Sawyer will be there, so its not like she would be alone. So again WHY would she give up Aaron.

BTW.. I don't think she will give up that chair in Jacob's cabin so easily. Looked like she was enjoying whatever they were smoking too well!....I'm thinking crack!
LOL!

[thelawgiver]

Folks! Were we watching the same episode?

Right now, time is of the essence (Daniel: We have to get off NOW). I do not think anyone is given much of an opportunity to choose to stay or leave. Once Ben moves the island you will be stuck there.

Look, we know Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and Aaron are the O6. Sun and Aaron are on the frieghter already. It seems Hurley, Jack, Kate, and Sayid will all be at the Orchid (along with Locke and Sawyer). Claire already abandoned Aaron and has gone off the deep end. So I don't see her in a position to make any rational choice about staying or leaving or even who should have Aaron (who is already off-island).

Here is what I see happening. There's a big whohaw at the Orchid and Chopper Frank escapes in the helicopter with Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley and Sawyer. Locke will obviously never leave the island. They get back to the freighter and the sh*t hits the fan, with the C4, etc. So the Chopper has to get off the freighter pronto. Kate, Jack, Sayid and Hurley are already on-board. Sawyer gives up his seat to Sun and Aaron. Sun is preggers with her own kid and Kate takes Aaron because it fits with the cover story. No more room in the chopper and they have to go. Whoever remains on the frieghter either dies, goes back to the island, or goes back to civilation out of the O6 limelight.

The only problem here is about who are the two that died on the island that is part of the O6 cover story?

Anyway, the proximaty to the Hatch implosion has nada to do with it.

[Kilaria]

The only problem here is about who are the two that died on the island that is part of the O6 cover story?

[/QUOTE]

thank you! i have been screaming that question all season! and a few times in here

maybe this should be a new thread.

[Turnip Queen]

Please, please, please, just don't kill Sawyer! :(

[thelawgiver]

The only problem here is about who are the two that died on the island that is part of the O6 cover story?



thank you! i have been screaming that question all season! and a few times in here

maybe this should be a new thread.[/QUOTE]

I discussed this some time ago. I beleive that a fake survivor island is set up on the O6 story island (probably by Whitmore). So one of two things happened. First, there were to be an "Oceanic 8", but two died prior to the fake rescue. The other is that they planted a couple of LOSTie bodies at fake survivor island village to support the cover story. But they probably had to be careful on the dead bodies (to make sure signs of murder are not seen).

[Kilaria]

I discussed this some time ago. I beleive that a fake survivor island is set up on the O6 story island (probably by Whitmore). So one of two things happened. First, there were to be an "Oceanic 8", but two died prior to the fake rescue. The other is that they planted a couple of LOSTie bodies at fake survivor island village to support the cover story. But they probably had to be careful on the dead bodies (to make sure signs of murder are not seen).[/QUOTE]

ok i like that i buy the story. however why couldn't the 2 dead been accidents on the way to the fake village? like 8 really did get off the island but you know Lost there is an accidental tragidy right around the corner.

[Lockeisthekey]

It seems to me that Jacob, speaking through Christian definately wanted Claire seperated from Aaron. But why? Let's assume that Jacob knows the future. Which means, that he wanted Aaron to get off the Island. Now thats a curious thing because Aaron has got to be extremely special, since he was the first child born on the Island. But, just in case, the frieghter commandoes managed to kill everybody, at least Aaron would be safe. Then he would be the new beginning. Confident that sometime in the near future, the O6 would return.

[rip-charlie]

Maybe Aaron is in danger from Dharmas/baddies or even in danger from Jacob. I am convinced Claire will willingly give up Aaron for his own safety.

for his own safty? Leaving in in weeds in the jungle with a smoke monster and nothing to eat is for his safty?