View Full Version : Jacob AND fLocke don't like technology?
gingergrant
04-24-2010, 01:52 AM
Did anyone think that when fLocke whacked the walkie talkie with the stick? I guess that I sort of thought that because Jacob doesn't like technology, then maybe Mib/Smokey/fLocke wouldn't mind it. Guess I was wrong.
notsolost42
04-24-2010, 01:59 AM
Did anyone think that when fLocke whacked the walkie talkie with the stick? I guess that I sort of thought that because Jacob doesn't like technology, then maybe Mib/Smokey/fLocke wouldn't mind it. Guess I was wrong.
Hey Ginger! Good question. I had thought that Smocke broke the walkie because he could care less about contacting Widmore. *shrugs* But, who am I to say? lol Hope things are well with you and yours! :)
boutte
04-24-2010, 07:38 AM
Did anyone think that when fLocke whacked the walkie talkie with the stick? I guess that I sort of thought that because Jacob doesn't like technology, then maybe Mib/Smokey/fLocke wouldn't mind it. Guess I was wrong.
That was the first thing I thought also. Those two seem to be more alike than different don't they?
It was MiB in the cabin, not Jacob. So MiB is the one who doesn't like tech. And fLocke broke the phone because it obviously told Widmore's group where he was. Why would he allow them to easily track him?
Edit - Why would any of you think Jacob doesn't like technology? Not only have we seen him in the outside world, but he's all about "progress".
abcd1234
04-24-2010, 02:37 PM
Yes i agree it was MIB in the cabin not jacob so i think it was MIB who hates technology. Its also possible they both hate technology and also possible MIB hates everything
losttime
04-24-2010, 05:29 PM
It was MiB in the cabin, not Jacob. So MiB is the one who doesn't like tech. And fLocke broke the phone because it obviously told Widmore's group where he was. Why would he allow them to easily track him?
Edit - Why would any of you think Jacob doesn't like technology? Not only have we seen him in the outside world, but he's all about "progress".
If the walkie told Widmore where he was then how did they launch the artillery at Flocke when jack showed up on the beach? I think he destroyed it because he can care less about communicating with Widmore.
And if he hates technology so much he wouldnt be getting on a plane as he has been telling the candidates
If the walkie told Widmore where he was then how did they launch the artillery at Flocke when jack showed up on the beach? I think he destroyed it because he can care less about communicating with Widmore.
And if he hates technology so much he wouldnt be getting on a plane as he has been telling the candidates
Zoe spefically asked, into the walkie, if they had a fix on their location. While it's possible it was a visual fix, the jungle hid the camp fairly well. So the fix came from somewhere else, most likely. But yes, I don't disagree that fLocke could care less about talking to Widmore.
And I am not sold on either of them necessarily hating tech, but if it's either of them, it's MiB. And even though he hates it, he's probably not opposed to using it to free himself if he has to. He has no choice.
abcd1234
04-24-2010, 07:10 PM
You know they could probably see them on the beach and dont need a gps position.
Unbridled Pageantry
04-24-2010, 07:13 PM
You know they could probably see them on the beach and dont need a gps position.
Exactly.
When Zoe was there she had a gps on her so they knew where to bomb. On the beach it was only visual or else the would have kept bombing MiB and Jack when they ran in the woods. But you could hear that the beach was still being bombed.
sirchin
04-24-2010, 08:50 PM
Yep! I thought the same thing.
3d-aholic
04-24-2010, 11:11 PM
Originally Posted by jd95
It was MiB in the cabin, not Jacob.
I have no idea why people this this because its wrong. ???
The first visit to the cabin had the iron filings/ash all the way around the parameter of the cabin and we know that Smokie could not cross them. The first visit was Jacob NOT smokie. All the other visits in the "moved" cabin where Smokie.
The other major clue were the objects that went flying....both were signs of Jacob.
Smokie has no problem with technology. Hes going to take a jumbo jet off the island. He crushed the radio because he had no intention of talking to whidmore and it could very well be a tracking or homing device.
I have no idea why people this this because its wrong. ???
The first visit to the cabin had the iron filings/ash all the way around the parameter of the cabin and we know that Smokie could not cross them. The first visit was Jacob NOT smokie. All the other visits in the "moved" cabin where Smokie.
The other major clue were the objects that went flying....both were signs of Jacob.
Smokie has no problem with technology. Hes going to take a jumbo jet off the island. He crushed the radio because he had no intention of talking to whidmore and it could very well be a tracking or homing device.
It's great how you always just say things are wrong, without question. In fact, the evidence points to exactly the opposite! Now while it's possible you are right (see what I did there?), I disagree entirely and the evidence backs me up.
The first visit to the cabin we saw the ash, yes, but I NO WAY did they show us that the ring wasn't broken at that time. And even if they did, there are many theories that the ring was used to keep Smokie trapped in the cabin, not keep him out from it.
And how were the flying objects clues of Jacob's presence, and not MiB? We have only seen one of them at this point able to move objects via a telekinetic power, and that's MiB, not Jacob. So, while possible, this is not evidence for Jacob at all.
Now, I'll say it once again: the whole "he doesn't like tech" thing might be a diversion anyway, but it at least seems to be true in MiB's case more than Jacob's, so if it is present it must be applied to MiB.
The scene with the objects flying was a dark, almost scary scene. Totally opposite of how Jacob has been portrayed the entire show. So much for evidence.
Croft250
04-27-2010, 10:12 PM
Did anyone think that when fLocke whacked the walkie talkie with the stick? I guess that I sort of thought that because Jacob doesn't like technology, then maybe Mib/Smokey/fLocke wouldn't mind it. Guess I was wrong.
I thought the same thing. But as Notso said, it could just be that he could give a s**t about contacting Widmore
3d-aholic
05-07-2010, 04:12 AM
Ok, so now once and for all this is put to bed...
:rolleyes:
Well, you would hope, anyways.
Smokie doesn't like technology?
He just built a bomb so technologically complex Sayid couldn't figure it out.
Ok, so now we are one step closer to what I have been saying all along about the first cabin scene. We were told Jacob doesn't like technology and many have tried to say that Smokie was in the first cabin scene and part of their evidence for this has been that Smokie doesn't like technology either. Sorry...but that simply was dismissed completely in this episode.
Smokie....NO problem whatsoever with technology...in fact hes a technology wizard and will use technology.
So the whole flashlight causing problems for Smokie as opposed to Jacob....well as I have said many times before, if you understand who is who, this stuff is really clear and already answered.
Jeremy
05-07-2010, 04:17 AM
The whole technology thing is a red herring. Ben didn't know anything about Jacob, he was just making stuff up so Locke would believe him.
3d-aholic
05-07-2010, 04:26 AM
The whole technology thing is a red herring. Ben didn't know anything about Jacob, he was just making stuff up so Locke would believe him.
Its not a red herring in the case of Jacob and when the flashlight was turned on, things went flying...thats just a plain old FACT. Few and far between...but that one is for all to see and watch in the episode.
Its most definitely a clue. Theres a boatload of clues in that first cabin scene.
Jeremy
05-07-2010, 04:31 AM
Its not a red herring in the case of Jacob and when the flashlight was turned on, things went flying...thats just a plain old FACT. Few and far between...but that one is for all to see and watch in the episode.
Its most definitely a clue.
That so called "fact" was used to manipulate Locke and Ben, just as everything else MiB had done before Jacob's death. There is no reason at all as to why Jacob would be invisible or trapped in a cabin. If he hated technology so much, why would he leave the island to visit Kate, Sawyer and all when that would mean fitting in with those around him who used cars, phones, and the like?
This is more ridiculous than the show just being about philosophy.
3d-aholic
05-07-2010, 04:38 AM
No doubt the show changed from that point.
IMHO, there was no intention of ever showing Jacob or personifying him at all at that point in the show. They changed their mind about that afterwards....realized that they had to put a "body" around Jacob or they would have trouble telling their story.
However, there is a big difference between not "liking" technology and "having to be in it for short periods of time to do your job". There is lots of evidence Jacob didn't embrace a lot of technology...you can just look at how simple he lived in the foot to see that.
wiley
05-07-2010, 04:42 AM
No doubt the show changed from that point.
IMHO, there was no intention of ever showing Jacob or personifying him at all at that point in the show. They changed their mind about that afterwards....realized that they had to put a "body" around Jacob or they would have trouble telling their story.
I don't think this is true, not even for a second. I believe that this show was all about Jacob and MIB from the very beginning.
3d-aholic
05-07-2010, 04:48 AM
I don't think this is true, not even for a second. I believe that this show was all about Jacob and MIB from the very beginning.
I didn't say that...and I agree with you. Of course I do, because its principally about a history of philosophy and notibly the two most important ones for which are represented by Jacob and MiB.
I'm saying they thought they could tell the story of Jacob and MiB without personifying Jacob...and they did it quite successfully for 4 or 5 seasons.
The TPTB admit that during the telling of their story they evolved in some cases the mechanisms and some elements of the story telling and adapted on the fly. That does not mean the fundamentals of the story were any different.
Anyway, it seems obvious that this is the case because they would have brought Jacob out alot sooner but keeping him "ethereal" allowed for more mystery. I think people felt after awhile that they might be getting their chain jerked by Ben though by a mythical Jacob....a ghost Jacob didn't really help and basically sort of made is so they had to personify Jacob.
Its too late in the day for this one but given the speculation that both Mib and Jacob are both good and bad, wouldn't it be cool to have them the same person but both from different timelines and one had to kill the other in order for a timeline to continue successfully as in the "has to end sometime, everything else is just progress"
3d-aholic
05-07-2010, 01:09 PM
Its too late in the day for this one but given the speculation that both Mib and Jacob are both good and bad, wouldn't it be cool to have them the same person but both from different timelines and one had to kill the other in order for a timeline to continue successfully as in the "has to end sometime, everything else is just progress"
I still don't believe that one is good and one is bad. I will remain thinking its a red herring right down to the last second. And, yes, I know about the interview and what Carlton Cuse said. I just think one of them is desparate.
Brother Desmond
05-07-2010, 01:50 PM
Ok, so now once and for all this is put to bed...
:rolleyes:
Well, you would hope, anyways.
Smokie doesn't like technology?
He just built a bomb so technologically complex Sayid couldn't figure it out.
Ok, so now we are one step closer to what I have been saying all along about the first cabin scene. We were told Jacob doesn't like technology and many have tried to say that Smokie was in the first cabin scene and part of their evidence for this has been that Smokie doesn't like technology either. Sorry...but that simply was dismissed completely in this episode.
Smokie....NO problem whatsoever with technology...in fact hes a technology wizard and will use technology.
So the whole flashlight causing problems for Smokie as opposed to Jacob....well as I have said many times before, if you understand who is who, this stuff is really clear and already answered.
We were told by Ben, a man who later admitted to never even seeing or speaking to Jacob, that Jacob didn't like technology. How would Ben be qualified in any way to speak about what Jacob does or doesn't like?
As far as I have seen neither Jacob nor MiB have an unwavering ban on technology. While it is true that they both probably prefer simpler things, neither have a problem with using technology when needed.
Once again I'll point out the obvious: Jacob has been seen off the island, living in a modern world using modern tech. Jacob has also spoken about "progress", which is what a great part of his personal philospohy is based upon. Jacob has no qualms with technology advancing at all.
So that only leaves MiB as the only one who possibly doesn't like tech. Is this a fact? Of course not. But if it had to be one of them, it would be MiB. Futhermore, MiB could very well hate anything considered progress only due to the fact that he wants to "shove it" in Jacob's face and prove him wrong, which, again, we have seen and heard distinctively. And since MiB would seemingly go to great lengths, including mass murder, to meet his goals what makes you think he wouldn't use mordern tech even if he hated it?
Its too late in the day for this one but given the speculation that both Mib and Jacob are both good and bad, wouldn't it be cool to have them the same person but both from different timelines and one had to kill the other in order for a timeline to continue successfully as in the "has to end sometime, everything else is just progress"
Yes, I've been saying they are the same person for quite a while now, or at least two personifications of a split personality. An internal struggle brought out into two separate people. There are problems with this theory, of course, but it would make more sense than most others to me.
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