new idea on the $3.2 Million

[youalleverybody]

Hey guys,
dont know if this was posted, I know we have discussed this to death. I saw this theory and thought it had something to it. The conversation between Miles and Ben was just so strange. It must have meant more...


When Miles talks to Ben and ask for 3.2 million dollars in one week, it is code.

"First, Miles is one of the ‘others’. I believe proof of that is when he asks Ben ‘do you know who I work for’. Second, saying that he wants 3.2 million dollars is his way of telling Ben that our rescue crew knows the bearing to get on the island; 3-2-5 (3.2 and 5 zeroes). Ben then asks Miles why not 3.3 or 3.5 and Miles says no, 3.2 million dollars—reinforcing that they are sure of the correct bearing. Fourth, when Miles says that Ben has one week to get the money, he is saying that more people are coming to the island in one week unless action is taken to prevent it. These are just my ideas, I just thought the conversation between Ben and Miles was so bizarre that it had to have more meaning behind it. "

~http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/22/32-million-dollars/

What do you think?

[jacksnurse]

Hey guys,
dont know if this was posted, I know we have discussed this to death. I saw this theory and thought it had something to it. The conversation between Miles and Ben was just so strange. It must have meant more...


When Miles talks to Ben and ask for 3.2 million dollars in one week, it is code.

"First, Miles is one of the ‘others’. I believe proof of that is when he asks Ben ‘do you know who I work for’. Second, saying that he wants 3.2 million dollars is his way of telling Ben that our rescue crew knows the bearing to get on the island; 3-2-5 (3.2 and 5 zeroes). Ben then asks Miles why not 3.3 or 3.5 and Miles says no, 3.2 million dollars—reinforcing that they are sure of the correct bearing. Fourth, when Miles says that Ben has one week to get the money, he is saying that more people are coming to the island in one week unless action is taken to prevent it. These are just my ideas, I just thought the conversation between Ben and Miles was so bizarre that it had to have more meaning behind it. "

~http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/22/32-million-dollars/

What do you think?


I think that ur idea is brilliant BUT>.....to me...Miles is not an other...he is too much of a conman and is very much an A-hole...i do think that it was some kind of code....But..i think that he does want the money and that exact amount is a sign to show Ben that he knows the bearing to follow to get on and off the island and that he will "spread the news" very quickly if he doesn't give that exact money....I think that if Ben doesn't get the $$ in one week then they will kill them all /"purge them"....i think that u are on to something but i still can't imagine miles being an other ....they would have to put him in room 23 for some crazy time to convert his ass....LOL:)

[youalleverybody]

yes, maybe not an other. But there is some connection of course with Ben. He had his picture. Hmmmm

[jacksnurse]

yeah...ur onto something....i think that maybe miles works for the economist...like elsa did???? he was sent to kill him but as we all know what a conman he is...he is going to use Ben for his personnal gain:)

[LostFreak21]

youalleverybody- I think that it makes a lot of sense. I had posted that I thought that conversation was significant but I didn't know why. I think you are on the right track.

[dumbwhitey]

very good theory.

[ai2301]

Interesting idea but Ben made is pretty clear that he feels that the people coming were a threat. Given that he saw that Locke kill Naomi, he'd have to assume that Locke wouldn't hesistate to kill Miles as well- something he would not encourage if Miles was with him IMO.

Given that Miles is on the island already-why would he need to tell Ben that they know how to get there- it's kinda obvious by the fact that Miles in there in the first place.
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[beachblinkette]

I really like your theory about Ben and Miles. Miles seemed to be very worked up and that conversation didn't make sense. Why 3.2 million exactly? Screwy! Numbers always have weight in this show. You're possibly on to a link between these two guys.It could have been a code, why not?

[Turnip Queen]

That is a really good theory! I love how numbers always mean something in this show!

[Rain13]

I've been meaning to post a link to that theory all week, you beat me to it! :mad: But in all seriousness if you haven't checked out the rest of that site (lost-theories.com) do so, it has some really cool theories.

I don't think that Miles is Ben's "man on the boat" because 1. there's still sabotage occurring even after Miles has left the boat and 2. Ben told Miles that he had a man on his boat, which would be kind of wierd if Miles was his man on his (Miles') boat have I got you confused yet? lol. I do think there is definately more to the "3.2 million dollar conversation" than meets the eye though. The instant Miles let on to Ben that he could be bribed I was thinking "Wait a second, Miles travelled halfway across the world as a member of an elite team recruited by some mysterious man for a top-secret mission and he's saying he can be bought out for $3.2 million? That doesn't make sense!". It seems to me that whoever hired Miles could offer him more than a measley $3.2 million (yeah I know it's not measley, but when you're dealing with people like Dharma or Hanso or Widmore or the likes of Abbadon it is). Miles also knows that there's no way Ben could get him money anyway, and if Ben was indeed powerful enough to get Ben money from his current position wouldn't he also be powerful enough to get more than $3.2 million?

Anyway, the whole conversation just seemed so staged and fake that it has to be. I guess the real question than is this: What is the true relationship between Miles and Ben?

[gingergrant]

I love that theory, it makes sense

[heavensprincess]

Hey guys,
dont know if this was posted, I know we have discussed this to death. I saw this theory and thought it had something to it. The conversation between Miles and Ben was just so strange. It must have meant more...


When Miles talks to Ben and ask for 3.2 million dollars in one week, it is code.

"First, Miles is one of the ‘others’. I believe proof of that is when he asks Ben ‘do you know who I work for’. Second, saying that he wants 3.2 million dollars is his way of telling Ben that our rescue crew knows the bearing to get on the island; 3-2-5 (3.2 and 5 zeroes). Ben then asks Miles why not 3.3 or 3.5 and Miles says no, 3.2 million dollars—reinforcing that they are sure of the correct bearing. Fourth, when Miles says that Ben has one week to get the money, he is saying that more people are coming to the island in one week unless action is taken to prevent it. These are just my ideas, I just thought the conversation between Ben and Miles was so bizarre that it had to have more meaning behind it. "

~http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/22/32-million-dollars/

What do you think?

I think you're on to something. Miles actually gave Ben 2 days to come up with the money and Ben came back and asked for more time and Miles then gave him a week. Wonder if that has any meaning...

[agmic]

other than the 3.2 million (3-2-5(5 zeros)) and all that. just a side note, didn't Frank fly out at a heading of 305 ???? anyhow,,,,

just how does Ben know Miles?

[bunnydixon]

think frank was on 305 but wasnt michael 325?

[Workman]

The biggest problem with the theory is that Miles couldn't be the man that Ben has on the boat because Sayid, Desmond, and Minkowski were let out of that room they were locked in by someone...and Miles is on the island.

[bunnydixon]

perhaps they have a friend on the boat who ISNT bens man on the boat? not that i am saying that miles is the latter - not sure if i buy that entirely.

[Elmer]

With as cunning and deceptive as Ben is it makes you wonder if Ben's man on the ship even knows he's Ben's man.

[Rain13]

If you click the link to this theory and scroll down there are tons of comments where people ask most of these questions and there are some other cool ones on there as well.

So far none of the interpretations of the code I've seen seem plausible to me. Although it is certainly interesting that 3,200,000 looks like the bearing off of the island that Ben told Michael, I can't think of a reason why Miles would be telling Ben this in the first place. To answer your question Bunny, 325 was the bearing that Ben told Michael to use to get into the shipping lane in order to be rescued. On the other hand, Daniel told Frank to travel at a bearing of 305 to get back to the freighter, and it is revealed that this was indeed the recipricol of this bearing that the helicopter used to get onto the island in the first place,(meaning that following a bearing of 305 will certainly get you on and off the island). This would imply that 325 is an incorrect bearing to get off of the island and that Ben was not sending Michael home.

I just had a thought: What if Miles is telling Ben that he found Michael? The freighter would have encountered Michael going at a bearing of 325, and knowing that this is the bearing that Ben would have told Michael to travel at, Miles would know that relaying this small piece of seemingly harmless information to him would make him think "Michael". This doesn't, however, explain what the "2 days....okay fine 5 days" exchange could mean. Any thoughts?

[agmic]

true, cause Ben's man on the boat might be Henry Gales man on the boat, just the man on the boat doesn't know that he is died.... and who's to say that Ben's man of the boat has to be a man,,, um can anyone say Regina....

[Lost in VA]

There definately is a connection between these two, as Miles knows alot about Ben and Ben knows alot about Miles, but I dont think they have an actual relationship where they "know" each other.

[Rain13]

Yeah I don't think anyone has ever implied that they were actually personally acquainted with each other prior to meeting, but instead just that there is more to the conversation they had than meets the eye. And don't mistake the fact that they both have information on one another as proof that there is something going on, it is quite possible that they are in fact speaking the truth and would thus have information on one another due to 1. Ben's spy providing information about Miles and 2. Miles' boss providing information about Ben. I don't think this is the case, but I'm just saying.

[Landshark]

If you click the link to this theory and scroll down there are tons of comments where people ask most of these questions and there are some other cool ones on there as well.

So far none of the interpretations of the code I've seen seem plausible to me. Although it is certainly interesting that 3,200,000 looks like the bearing off of the island that Ben told Michael, I can't think of a reason why Miles would be telling Ben this in the first place. To answer your question Bunny, 325 was the bearing that Ben told Michael to use to get into the shipping lane in order to be rescued. On the other hand, Daniel told Frank to travel at a bearing of 305 to get back to the freighter, and it is revealed that this was indeed the recipricol of this bearing that the helicopter used to get onto the island in the first place,(meaning that following a bearing of 305 will certainly get you on and off the island). This would imply that 325 is an incorrect bearing to get off of the island and that Ben was not sending Michael home.

I just had a thought: What if Miles is telling Ben that he found Michael? The freighter would have encountered Michael going at a bearing of 325, and knowing that this is the bearing that Ben would have told Michael to travel at, Miles would know that relaying this small piece of seemingly harmless information to him would make him think "Michael". This doesn't, however, explain what the "2 days....okay fine 5 days" exchange could mean. Any thoughts?

I'm thinking the 2 days... Okay 5 days exchange is a threat to Ben that if he dosen't come up with the cash in 5 days, we are going to see a raid on the island by the freighter crew.

I also think that Matthew Abbadon is the freighter's mystery captain. I remember seeing on Lostpedia that Matthew Abbadon is an anagram for "Man at the bow." I believe sometime in the next few episodes or so, we are going to see a split in the crew of the freighter, and their intentions. I think this because I don't think Matthew was honest with any of the crew members when recruiting them. Naomi comes to mind when he told her the survivors from 815 were all dead.

Whatever "war" Matthew had planned on the island I think will be complicated by the fact the 815 survivors are, in fact, on the island and the crew members might have a change of heart.

Sorry for going off on different tangents lol, these are just some of my more recent thoughts about "The Constant".

[Rain13]

Sorry not to blast everything you're saying, but it's already been widely circulated on this forum that Grant Bowler is the actor who is playing the Captain, and if you search him on google you'll see that he certainly is not Matthew Abbadon and is clearly a character who has not been introduced to us yet.

Also, the manifest content of Miles's conversation with Ben is that in 5 days Ben needs to give Miles the money or else he's in trouble. I'm asking what the latent content is, or what 5 days really means.

[Landshark]

Ah ok, I'm pretty new to the LOST forums. I just thought the anagram was interesting and perhaps it wasn't meant to be taken literally.

[justjoe]

I thought it was one week?

[Rain13]

No I'm not dismissing what you're saying Landshark, sorry if I came across that way, I'm just saying that Abbadon is not the captain. I do, however think that the anagram you brought up does mean something. Perhaps we should try to take it less literally though, because if there weren't a boat involved we would take "Man at the bow" to simply mean "the guy in charge". Could this be what they're trying to tell us?

[Landshark]

No offense taken Rain!

Knowing now that he def isn't the captain, I think him being in charge is what the anagram could mean. Do you think this means he could be Whidmore's right hand man? I also think it's interesting that freighters crew seems to be a split between military types and scientists. I can't wait to see how this all plays out!

[heavensprincess]

I thought it was one week?

It is one week.

[Rain13]

Hmm good question, I'm not sure if that means that Widmore can't be involved. Perhaps Widmore is working for Abbadon? I don't know, I think we know so little about Widmore's involvement, other than the fact that he is somehow involved, that we can't really say what the order of command is just yet. Hopefully tonight will shine some more light on what the freighter's purpose is, and it looks like it will judging from the sneak preview.

[justjoe]

Thank you my princess...

[Workman]

This may be going out on a limb, but does anyone think that Ben and Michael may have arranged for Michael to be "rescued" by the freighter because Ben knew that the freighter was out there before hand? Michaels job was to get on the boat and find out what was going on and report back, and Ben wouldn't tell anyone what he did to Anna Lucia and Libby (maybe also to protect the other members of the crash)?

[justjoe]

Workman try this thread.

http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1506&page=2

[BrothaDezzy]

Hey guys,
dont know if this was posted, I know we have discussed this to death. I saw this theory and thought it had something to it. The conversation between Miles and Ben was just so strange. It must have meant more...


When Miles talks to Ben and ask for 3.2 million dollars in one week, it is code.

"First, Miles is one of the ‘others’. I believe proof of that is when he asks Ben ‘do you know who I work for’. Second, saying that he wants 3.2 million dollars is his way of telling Ben that our rescue crew knows the bearing to get on the island; 3-2-5 (3.2 and 5 zeroes). Ben then asks Miles why not 3.3 or 3.5 and Miles says no, 3.2 million dollars—reinforcing that they are sure of the correct bearing. Fourth, when Miles says that Ben has one week to get the money, he is saying that more people are coming to the island in one week unless action is taken to prevent it. These are just my ideas, I just thought the conversation between Ben and Miles was so bizarre that it had to have more meaning behind it. "

~http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/22/32-million-dollars/

What do you think?

Wow I totaly overlooked that. Wow im stunned because that makes alot of sence. I wouldnt be surprised if the show takes that turn with Miles. Good theory.

[james220]

No offense taken Rain!

Knowing now that he def isn't the captain, I think him being in charge is what the anagram could mean. Do you think this means he could be Whidmore's right hand man? I also think it's interesting that freighters crew seems to be a split between military types and scientists. I can't wait to see how this all plays out!

Technically, I don't think you have an anagram here. I thought an anagram uses all the letters of some other phrase. Matthew Abaddon is 14 letters. "Man at the bow" only uses 11.

Perhaps a more sinister reference, per Wikipedia - Many Biblical scholars believe Abaddon to be Satan or the antichrist. Others have stated that he may be one of the lesser demons of hell, or even a dark angel.

[Landshark]

Technically, I don't think you have an anagram here. I thought an anagram uses all the letters of some other phrase. Matthew Abaddon is 14 letters. "Man at the bow" only uses 11.

Perhaps a more sinister reference, per Wikipedia - Many Biblical scholars believe Abaddon to be Satan or the antichrist. Others have stated that he may be one of the lesser demons of hell, or even a dark angel.

Whoops, it's "Bad man at the bow". My bad.

[james220]

Whoops, it's "Bad man at the bow". My bad.

I feel like I'm busting on you and I don't mean to be. But that only works if you mispell the name. There's only one B in Matthew Abaddon. Let's go with the dark angel reference!

[Landshark]

No worries, here is a copy/paste from lostpedia where I got this info...

-In the press release for "The Beginning of the End" his name is spelled "Abbadon"; in the press releases for "Confirmed Dead" it is spelled "Abaddon".
-The name Matthew Abbadon is an anagram for "bad man at the bow". The bow of a ship is traditionally where the captain stands when surveying the sea before him.

[thelawgiver]

I like the bearing theory, but it has problems between Michael's (325) and Chopper Frank's (305). Could it be that since they each left from different points on the island that the 20 degree compass bearing was necessary to reach the same point off-island were it is safe to travel from/to? This is very pausable.

But I think the 3.2 million may be related to a certain amount of cash Miles needs to save his sorry ass. He did want the money in two days and then accepted Ben's counter for one week. What was not covered was how and when Ben would get him the money. Ben may have been just getting information from Miles. By asking for and getting one week, Ben may now know that he has a week to stop any further incursions to the island.

[Rain13]

I like the bearing theory, but it has problems between Michael's (325) and Chopper Frank's (305). Could it be that since they each left from different points on the island that the 20 degree compass bearing was necessary to reach the same point off-island were it is safe to travel from/to? This is very pausable.

Good work Patchy! We had forgotten that Michael was leaving from a completely different part of the island, if not the complete opposite side. This may explain why we're seeing two different bearings.

[james220]

Good work Patchy! We had forgotten that Michael was leaving from a completely different part of the island, if not the complete opposite side. This may explain why we're seeing two different bearings.

We were knocking this around in another thread. Frank makes a hard right at the end of the trip which may align the 305 bearing he was on with 325 once all is said and done. But it's also true that a bearing is dependent upon a departure point and we don't know if they are the same, or close.

[thelawgiver]

They certainly left from different points. Michael left from a dock near the Dharma barracks or the staged village. The Chopper left from some place in island, and what I gather to be someplace between the Lostie beach camp and the Barracks. Remember that Juliette said it would take about two hours to get Des at the beach and she went to the right from the Chopper meadow. Sayid, Kate and Miles went off to the left to go to the barracks.

[thelawgiver]

Also, a compass is 360 degrees, so 20 degrees is equal to only a 5.5% difference in the course. So this has to be the difference to account for the 305 and 325.

[ortrules]

I like the bearing theory, but it has problems between Michael's (325) and Chopper Frank's (305). Could it be that since they each left from different points on the island that the 20 degree compass bearing was necessary to reach the same point off-island were it is safe to travel from/to? This is very pausable.
I don't think where they leave from matters though. If you follow a compass 305 degrees is 305 degrees. You may have to head a slightly different direction, but the end point of 305 is the same. You can't follow 325 degrees and end up at the same spot as if you would follow 305 degrees. It'd be like telling one person to go North and one to go Northwest - they will head in different directions.

[Rain13]

Makes sense to me, so it appears that we were reading too much into the seperate bearings in thinking that there was some mischief being applied on Ben's part.

[Rain13]

Just noticed your post Ort, think about this:

If there is a single point that one must pass through in order to leave the island, a point with exact coordinates, and two different people are traveling to this point from two seperate locations, than they both could not arrive there by leaving at the exact same bearing. If one person was east of the point, they would have to go west, and if another person was west, they would have to go east. Likewise, if two people were headed to the point from two seperate points on the island, they would have to take two different bearings to get there.

[thelawgiver]

I'll have to pull out a map and my old compass to test this orienteering theory, but I think I'm correct. For example, if you wanted a person from New York to meet someone from L.A. at an exact point in Chicago, you can do that, but they would need different compass bearings. What I'm saying is that there is a to/from safe point someplace off the island that one must pass through. To get to that point you would not use the same bearing if your starting points are several miles apart. The bearing would have to adjusted to direct to the same point off-island. Thus, the 20 degree difference.

[ortrules]

My thought is - if there is only one hole to travel through, then that hole is definitely found at 325 degrees. We've seen a helicopter successfully fly back and forth through that point. So if there is only one point (which we don't know for sure) then Ben lied to Michael when he said how to get off the island.

[thelawgiver]

325 degrees is not a fixed place but a direction of travel. Now if we were talking longitude and latitude, then we are talking about a fixed place.

[bunnydixon]

Also, a compass is 360 degrees, so 20 degrees is equal to only a 5.5% difference in the course. So this has to be the difference to account for the 305 and 325.


yeah, i remember talking about this before and it seems the most logical explanation.

if not, it could be there are several entrances/exits to the island at various points.

[agmic]

but Frank was flying at 305, Michael and Walt was going at 325....
more to come, I have to think about it thou....

[Rain13]

My thought is - if there is only one hole to travel through, then that hole is definitely found at 325 degrees. We've seen a helicopter successfully fly back and forth through that point. So if there is only one point (which we don't know for sure) then Ben lied to Michael when he said how to get off the island.

I was just drawing a picture in Paint to illustrate this concept but then realized that I can't draw and gave up lol. But as Patchy points out, "a bearing of 325" is merely a direction that one travels in. "A bearing of 305" is another direction that one can travel in. Since, as you've acknowledged, there is a single point that one must pass through in order to travel to/from the island, the direction in which one must travel in order to reach this point will depend upon where one is starting from. Get it yet, or should I draw the picture? :D

[justjoe]

I posted in another thread that maybe there are multiple points on the compass to get off the island. Like opening doors to different rooms in a house. Anyway, a compass reading is a constant reading based on true north which is 0 degrees. So if you travel on a bearing of 305 it is 305 no matter where you start from because you are heading to a certain point on the compass (that's how I interpret it anyway and I am far from an expert on this). Here is what I mean.

Since a circle has 360 degrees, a compass has 360 degrees, too.
North is at 0 degrees.
The cardinal points divide the circle into 4 equal parts.
360 divided by 4 = 90, so the cardinal points are 90 degrees apart.
Therefore:
North=0East=90South=180West=270

The intercardinal points mark the midway point between the cardinal points.
90 divided by 2 = 45
Therefore:
NE = 45SE = 135SW = 225NW = 315

Note that the cardinal points are also 90 degrees apart, because there are four of them.

The secondary intercardinal points mark the midway points between the cardinal points and intercardinal points.

The cardinal and intercardinal points are separated by 45 degrees.
45 divided by 2 = 22.5
Therefore:

NNE = 22.5
ENE = 67.5
ESE = 112.5
SSE = 157.5
SSW = 202.5
WSW = 247.5
WNW = 292.5
NNW = 337.5
Note that the secondary intercardinal points are 45 degrees apart because there are 8 of them.

[justjoe]

Try this visual.

<a href="http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m317/justjoe001/?action=view&current=comp4.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m317/justjoe001/comp4.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[agmic]

ok, here's what I have. Say the island is a circle and person a is standing in the top 1/3 and person b is in the bottom 1/3. Person a start out on at 305 while person b starts out at 325. At some point they will cross.. No not a fixed point , but just place....

[ortrules]

325 degrees is not a fixed place but a direction of travel. Now if we were talking longitude and latitude, then we are talking about a fixed place.
Yep, I was thinking of it backwards for some crazy reason.

[agmic]

don't think we need to go into half degrees

[justjoe]

But they are fixed points. 305 is a NW location. So is 325. See above posts.

[ai2301]

And don't mistake the fact that they both have information on one another as proof that there is something going on, it is quite possible that they are in fact speaking the truth and would thus have information on one another due to 1. Ben's spy providing information about Miles and 2. Miles' boss providing information about Ben. I don't think this is the case, but I'm just saying.

That's my view. Also, Miles hd an outdated picture of Ben, another indication that he and whomever he's working for have limited information on this man that they're seeking.

Personally I think that Miles needs 3.2 million and wanted it as quickly as possible. It's interesting though that he knows he'll been around for a week at least.
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[justjoe]

Well that's all I had at the time. Try this one.

Take a Bearing
By simply moving your compass with your body and using the N-E-S-W markings, you can get a good idea which way you are going. This is often all you need from your compass. But, you've probably noticed on your compass, there are also numbers and tiny lines. These represent the 360 degrees in a circle that surrounds you no matter where you are.

<a href="http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m317/justjoe001/?action=view&current=compass-degrees.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m317/justjoe001/compass-degrees.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>



When you need to find your way from one particular place to another, you need to use these numbers to find out the bearing to that remote place. The direction you are going is called your heading. Heading and Bearing are pretty much the same thing. The image above is a heading of about 250 degress.

[Rain13]

Okay! The red dot is the point that one must past through in order to escape the island's grasp, everything else is self-explanatory! Note: the readings on each of their compasses would have been different despite the fact that they were traveling to the same place, thus they would be traveling on different bearings.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh171/Rain12913/island-1.jpg

[agmic]

correct a fixed point, but possible to cross thou....

[justjoe]

What I am saying is that they could be traveling in different directions but the same bearing or point on the compass if they are both going to 305.

[ortrules]

Is that map to scale?

[Rain13]

Correct...but what significance does that have? Two people, both leaving from two seperate points, will have to head in two different directions in order to cross through a common point. If they had both left at exactly the same bearing they would be traveling parallel to each other and by definition would never intersect at a common point. Think back to 8th grade Algebra lol.

[ortrules]

What I am saying is that they could be traveling in different directions but the same bearing or point on the compass if they are both going to 305.
No, according to his drawing and the little compasses he put in - Michael is going something like 60 degrees Northeast and Frank is going something like 15 degrees Northeast.

Which means, not only is his map not to scale, but they are also not heading at a bearing of 305 or 325. :D

[agmic]

but if Frank started on top and Michael on the bottom, they would never cross...per your map

[justjoe]

They are both heading on a bearing of 305 though.

[Rain13]

but if Frank started on top and Michael on the bottom, they would never cross...per your map

This map?

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh171/Rain12913/island-1.jpg

They seem to cross to me.

[Rain13]

They are both heading on a bearing of 305 though.

If both Michael and Frank are heading on the same bearing in my diagram than I fear that I do not fully understand the concept of "bearing" lol. If two people at two different points can travel at the same bearing and intersect than I don't know what bearing is. I assumed that it was simply the same as saying travel NorthWest, except substituting "NorthWest", (which is a pretty general direction), with the exact degree at which one should travel.

[justjoe]

Rain see the 305 vs 325 thread. I think I am hijacking this one with my crazy thoughts. :eek:

[agmic]

This map?

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh171/Rain12913/island-1.jpg

They seem to cross to me.

if you put Frank on top going the same bearing he is now, ans Michael on the bottom going the bearing hes going... they would never cross

[Rain13]

Exactly, but why would you do that? Michael was given a specific bearing to follow based on a position and Frank was too. If they changed positions, than they would need to change bearing. I'm not sure what your point is.

[conkeys19]

Great theory. I had a feeling Miles was just working for Ben when he told everyone that he was sent there to get Ben.

[Rain13]

Great theory. I had a feeling Miles was just working for Ben when he told everyone that he was sent there to get Ben.

I read this and I was like, "what the hell are you talking about?" but then I checked the title of the thread and remembered lol.

[trigrammaton]

Not to derail the thread, and Not sure if it has been said but...

What if the guy who opened the door for desmond and Sayid was actually the guy laying on the beds alternate self...

[Rain13]

This thread is officially about anything! lol, but to address the last post, that has been mentioned before a few times. Lindelof (spelling?) has confirmed that Minkowski was traveling back in time to a ferris wheel when we saw him, so he couldn't have done it.

[youalleverybody]

rain13- i like your diagram :)
did you art and craft it yourself?

[davethewave]

Is it possible that the island and a certain distance around it does not apply the same magnetic princeables as the outside world, the same goes for time. That being said, if compasses go crazy on/near the island than the area with in the island may be looked at as having a different polarity as the world itself.

A compass gets it's direction from the earths magnatism. North on a compass is not true north (the north pole) but a close approximation (a few degrees difference). So if the island has its own magnetic orientaion then a compass that is pointing to the north on the island could also be pointing to the south pole of the earth.

Somewhere there has to be a "dividing line" where the islands polarity weakens and the regular magnatism of the earth is present again. Along this grey area I suspect compasses would just spin or go back and forth.

..... Oh ya I was going to make a point huh? Let me get back to you on that...:D