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lynnhart
05-09-2010, 01:19 AM
in the AR, he flew to Australia to f/u on a lead just like in the original timeline. But Jack found him right away with just his name from Bernard. How weird is that!
Heh, good point. Some detective Sawyer is. Cooper was right in his backyard, yet he flies to around the world looking for him.
Of course, the name Anthony Cooper could in fact be used by the man who caused Sawyer's parents' death, but just be a different man altogether, since Locke's dad at least seemed to be a nicer guy in the alternate reality.
NoData
05-09-2010, 01:33 AM
in the AR, he flew to Australia to f/u on a lead just like in the original timeline. But Jack found him right away with just his name from Bernard. How weird is that!James Ford: worst cop ever. lol
lynnhart
05-09-2010, 01:34 AM
Heh, good point. Some detective Sawyer is. Cooper was right in his backyard, yet he flies to around the world looking for him.
Of course, the name Anthony Cooper could in fact be used by the man who caused Sawyer's parents' death, but just be a different man altogether, since Locke's dad at least seemed to be a nicer guy in the alternate reality.
Yeah, I wondered about that too, in the AR either Cooper wasn't a con man or maybe he was a rehabilitated con man by the time Locke found him?
kurruptor
05-09-2010, 01:43 AM
Ya this was the first thing I thought. What a bad cop.
Maybe he did go to question that particular AC, but he obviously couldn't get any answers out of him.
Jeremy
05-09-2010, 02:03 AM
Maybe he wouldn't expect someone in that state to be the one who killed his parents...or perhaps this Cooper couldn't talk over the phone.
I think he still did it in this timeline, as he would have done it before the Incident. Perhaps something changed in his relationship with Locke, though, or the accident happened before he could con him.
notsolost42
05-09-2010, 02:18 AM
But Jack had John Locke's info from the hospital records that led him to Bernard. Wonder what info Detective Ford had? Gawd, that sounds so weird, right? :eek:
LostInSpaceTime
05-09-2010, 02:38 AM
Heh, good point. Some detective Sawyer is. Cooper was right in his backyard, yet he flies to around the world looking for him.
Of course, the name Anthony Cooper could in fact be used by the man who caused Sawyer's parents' death, but just be a different man altogether, since Locke's dad at least seemed to be a nicer guy in the alternate reality.
might have seen he was a veggie and skipped over him
kurruptor
05-09-2010, 03:02 AM
But Jack had John Locke's info from the hospital records that led him to Bernard. Wonder what info Detective Ford had? Gawd, that sounds so weird, right? :eek:
All Jack had was the name Anthony Cooper, same as Sawyer.
Unbridled Pageantry
05-09-2010, 03:55 AM
might have seen he was a veggie and skipped over him
Even as adults you still skip your vegetables.
Desi420
05-09-2010, 08:55 AM
Sawyer went to Australia to get the Name. When he returned he was going through the =hone book asking questions. This was a side project he worked on and probably wouldn't find out that Anthony was in a veggitated state. Plus Miles kept snooping so he didn't get that far.
DarkPhoenix-24
05-09-2010, 11:02 AM
I don't think Sawyer is a bad cop and Desi420 has a good point. That's going to be interesting to see what happens now that Anthony Cooper is in a vegatative state.... unless, he's conning the senior home! lol :p
stream
05-09-2010, 12:53 PM
Even as adults you still skip your vegetables.
who are you calling an adult! sticks n stones ....
I don't think Sawyer is a bad cop and Desi420 has a good point. That's going to be interesting to see what happens now that Anthony Cooper is in a vegatative state.... unless, he's conning the senior home! lol :p
I think AC was still bad before the accident - but Locke did not know
3d-aholic
05-09-2010, 01:50 PM
No, I have to forget I read this post and know this.
Also, what was the explanation of why John Locke's name is John Locke and his fathers name is Anthony Cooper since they are not estranged in this reality?
Why don't all these sons get their fathers name but instead get the names of philosophers, what the heck is with that?
Unbridled Pageantry
05-09-2010, 02:09 PM
No, I have to forget I read this post and know this.
Also, what was the explanation of why John Locke's name is John Locke and his fathers name is Anthony Cooper since they are not estranged in this reality?
Why don't all these sons get their fathers name but instead get the names of philosophers, what the heck is with that?
I have a feeling that they were still estranged.
What if when Anthony Cooper got in the plane crash with John it was during the time that he was conning him to get his kidney?
Panda
05-09-2010, 02:43 PM
I have a feeling that they were still estranged.
What if when Anthony Cooper got in the plane crash with John it was during the time that he was conning him to get his kidney?
That is also a possibility.
Bernard said that the crash happened three years ago.
So maybe Cooper was indeed still in the process of gaining confidence from Locke to get that kidney.
And so this time Locke takes him on that flight...and now there is no need for a kidney anymore. Or maybe he has the kidney now...but can't go anywhere anymore to keep on conning people.
Unbridled Pageantry
05-09-2010, 02:53 PM
That is also a possibility.
Bernard said that the crash happened three years ago.
So maybe Cooper was indeed still in the process of gaining confidence from Locke to get that kidney.
And so this time Locke takes him on that flight...and now there is no need for a kidney anymore. Or maybe he has the kidney now...but can't go anywhere anymore to keep on conning people.
You hit the nail on the head.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Anthony Cooper is still a sonuva, but is trapped in his vegetable body.
3d-aholic
05-09-2010, 03:57 PM
I don't get any feelings of him being estranged....John was genuinely upset...and obviously if Cooper needed the Kidney, he must have gotten already since without it, he'd be dead. I'm guessing the kidney donation might have needed to come because of the accident instead.
Panda
05-09-2010, 04:02 PM
I don't get any feelings of him being estranged....John was genuinely upset...and obviously if Cooper needed the Kidney, he must have gotten already since without it, he'd be dead. I'm guessing the kidney donation might have needed to come because of the accident instead.
Oh even that could be how it went in the side way time....
Another nice way to speculate on it.
Going back to Sawyer, if Jacob hadn't been about to hand him a new pen, he wouldn't have finished writing that letter, this could have been the turning point that made his mind up to go for a cop.
Even if he did write the letter it wouldn't have been with Jacob's pen and I would assume AC was still definatly the con man Sawyer, as Jack stated he is "gone" as in dead, I've known cases where psycic's have been in contact with people in a veg state waiting to move on but can't because the body is still alive...
Dharma Deviant
05-09-2010, 08:20 PM
I don't get any feelings of him being estranged....John was genuinely upset...and obviously if Cooper needed the Kidney, he must have gotten already since without it, he'd be dead. I'm guessing the kidney donation might have needed to come because of the accident instead.
I think they were estranged he just never got the chance to con him in the AR. That's why he feels guilty because he doesn't know his dad was a bad guy, he probably was in the process of coning John. Because if Sawyer is looking for him, he is definitely a con man.
I didn't know Sawyer was looking for an Anthony Cooper.. I was under the impression he was searching for Mr. Sawyer (like the folder in the dresser said) and in the original time line Frank Duckett.. Did he even know the name Cooper before the chance meeting, on the island during "The Brig" episode??? So how would he know to look for Cooper...? He doesn't know the name..
kurruptor
05-09-2010, 08:59 PM
I didn't know Sawyer was looking for an Anthony Cooper.. I was under the impression he was searching for Mr. Sawyer (like the folder in the dresser said) and in the original time line Frank Duckett.. Did he even know the name Cooper before the chance meeting, on the island during "The Brig" episode??? So how would he know to look for Cooper...? He doesn't know the name..
He definitely knows the name in sideways. We don't know how he knows for sure. He told Miles he had a list of Anthony Coopers and the reason he went to Australia was to follow a lead on one of them.
That's right he was calling Cooper's at the station.... Forgot as that bad ep was erased from my DVR a while back....HMMM :confused: Hope this aint one of these "we'll leave it up for u to interpret" questions, but have the feeling it may be... :mad:
I only put in my four pennyth worth as my mate was watching it during her mega marathon at work catch up :D
grrarrg
05-09-2010, 09:33 PM
Jack assumed Anthony Cooper was in LA, and was in a serious accident 3 years ago (serious enough to cripple Locke, so likely very serious for Cooper). So he probably started calling rehab centers in LA. Ford, on the other hand, was casting a much wider net. And, as it's been stated, I've been hunting him down since the day I left the academy. I chased down a lead in Australia, got a name - Anthony Cooper - I ran the name, I got a list of Anthony Coopers and I've been calling them. And when I find the right one...I'm gonna kill him.
so Sideways-Ford had only had the name a couple days, and was not doing a focused search on physical rehab patients in LA. Works for me.
As I stated in an earlier thread on Cooper, I'm pretty sure Sideways-Locke's Anthony Cooper is the same man as Sideways-Ford's conman. I agree that he was most likely not reformed - he just hadn't finished the con on Locke. But maybe he wasn't going for his kidney, that doesn't really matter.
Panda
05-09-2010, 10:06 PM
He definitely knows the name in sideways. We don't know how he knows for sure. He told Miles he had a list of Anthony Coopers and the reason he went to Australia was to follow a lead on one of them.
Maybe he was following a lead to a certain Sawyer..in Australia....
In the first time line he travels to Australia and kills a man...believing that that man is Sawyer....
As now he is a cop...he rather go for some investigation....and he finds that same person under the name Sawyer...but in stead of just killing him...he does some interrogation...and that Sawyer....gives him the name Antony Cooper..Tells him that Anthony Cooper was misusing his name Sawyer...
So once back in LA he starts to do research to Antony Cooper...so his research on that name may just have been started after he came back from Australia...
And now he shares it with Miles...
Just rambling.
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