Is the real MiB dead?

[when am i?]

I think MiB or Jacob's twin brother actually died when the smoke monster escaped from the light.
Smokie took on his form and killed him cos we saw MiB's body lying dead. Jacob cried over it before taking it to the cave and then he said,'goodbye brother'.
Jacob knows his brother is dead and the smoke monster was just pretending to be him.

[SkippingInTime]

I'm wondering if that may be the case. It seemed to me Jacob found a loophole for killing his brother, at least in the form we knew him (before becoming smokie).

[scottie D]

The smoke is his soul. As they bicker years and years later the MiB makes reference to his crazy mother. And the reason he wants to kill Jacob is for turning him into the smoke. He wants his vengence on mankind

[when am i?]

I'm wondering if that may be the case. It seemed to me Jacob found a loophole for killing his brother, at least in the form we knew him (before becoming smokie).

I don't think Jacob actually killed him,but he was killed as he was sucked into the light.
Smokey killed him and took his form.
I don't think smokey is human at all,he can just appear to be human.

[grrarrg]

I don't think Jacob actually killed him,but he was killed as he was sucked into the light.
Smokey killed him and took his form.
I don't think smokey is human at all,he can just appear to be human.

But Smocke talked about how Jacob took his body from him, took his humanity. It's him. Jacob's brother = Smokey. MiB's body is dead, but his spirit lived on - like all the other 'trapped souls' on the island, except that he actually got a corporeal form, the smoke.

[when am i?]

Maybe your right but we know Smokie lies a lot to get what he wants.

[MountainMusic]

Maybe your right but we know Smokie lies a lot to get what he wants.

But why then would Flocke appear to be so affected by the appearance of young Jacob and himself(?)?

Which begs the question: what are those "apparitions"? Are they Smokey's mind playing tricks on him? But, Sawyer saw one of them (was it Jacob or MIB?) Also, one of the kids had bloody hands.

[when am i?]

It is obvious from last night's epi that the blonde kid is Jacob,the other one didn't look like MiB but may have been.
Desmond also saw one of the kids and Smocke said to ignore him.

[LincolnEcho06]

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[Jelena]

I agree. Started a thread about it yesterday too. :)

[Desi420]

I think MiB is dead. The smoke monster just thinks he is him and is carring his passion to leave.seriously... he wants to go back to where he came from, MiB that is. Which would be ancient where ever. This is now 2000 plus years later, that place doesn't exsist anymore. So MiB wants to escape and see the modern world? I don't think so, I think Smokie is just posing as MiB thus Jacobs refusal to let him go. As we saw, in the beginning it was just 2 brothers, one defying Mom, and the other putting him in his place. But now its a human protecting the world from an emotional cloud of smoke with anger issues.

[NoData]

The smoke is his soul. As they bicker years and years later the MiB makes reference to his crazy mother. And the reason he wants to kill Jacob is for turning him into the smoke. He wants his vengence on mankind
That isn't the reason he wants to kill Jacob. MiB went over 1500 years before trying to kill Jacob via Richard. In those 1500+ years Jacob had brought untold numbers of people to the island so it isn't like Richard would have been MiB's first opportunity for a loophole.

I'm not feeling the vengeance thing either.

[Desi420]

That isn't the reason he wants to kill Jacob. MiB went over 1500 years before trying to kill Jacob via Richard. In those 1500+ years Jacob had brought untold numbers of people to the island so it isn't like Richard would have been MiB's first opportunity for a loophole.

I'm not feeling the vengeance thing either.
After Richards story, when Mib and Jacob are talking, it seems that Smokie thinks he is MiB and asks why Jacob won't let him Leave. JACOB tells him he just can't let him. The Smoke is its own being confused by memories of MiB.

[easterbeast]

After Richards story, when Mib and Jacob are talking, it seems that Smokie thinks he is MiB and asks why Jacob won't let him Leave. JACOB tells him he just can't let him. The Smoke is its own being confused by memories of MiB.

so far.i think this is the best reason.
he was also confused by memories that lock had

[Jelena]

Confused, or trying to manipulate those who he is speaking to by playing the sympathy card?

[Losteded]

When Jacob found mib after he had been sucked into the caved, did anyone notice how dramatic they made jacobs hand reaching out to touch his forehead? Maybe his touch is even significant here.

[NoData]

Confused, or trying to manipulate those who he is speaking to by playing the sympathy card?Smokey begged Jacob for over 1000 (roughly 1825?) years to let him leave before trying to kill him via Richard. We heard Jacob tell Richard that he had brought others to the island during that time, so it's not like the Black Rock brought Smokey's first opportunity for a loophole. If he was simply being manipulative I don't think he would have waited so long. I think there were genuine feelings of brotherhood there.

[Jelena]

Smokey begged Jacob for over 1000 (roughly 1825?) years to let him leave before trying to kill him via Richard. We heard Jacob tell Richard that he had brought others to the island during that time, so it's not like the Black Rock brought Smokey's first opportunity for a loophole. If he was simply being manipulative I don't think he would have waited so long. I think there were genuine feelings of brotherhood there.

Could be. Does this still mean you're were on my side of the fence on this issue, LoL?

In any case, I'm not stating anything, I'm just trying to figure things out like the rest of you.

[NoData]

Could be. Does this still mean you're were on my side of the fence on this issue, LoL?

In any case, I'm not stating anything, I'm just trying to figure things out like the rest of you.I'm not sure what side I'm on... :)

I'm thinking that Smokey is an amalgamation of different entities, one of which is MiB. So it isn't really correct to say that Smokey is (simply) Jacob's brother, but the brother is contained within Smokey, if that makes any sense.

[michelle121]

I'm thinking that Smokey is an amalgamation of different entities, one of which is MiB. So it isn't really correct to say that Smokey is (simply) Jacob's brother, but the brother is contained within Smokey, if that makes any sense.

Agreed.

The brother is truly dead. In the epi were Ben, Flocke and Jacob are in the foot, Ben asks Flocke if he knew Jacob ( something to that sorts ). Flocke replied, " in a matter of speaking". This leads me to believe that all the years prior it was just smokey posing as his brother.

[Jeremy]

Agreed.

The brother is truly dead. In the epi were Ben, Flocke and Jacob are in the foot, Ben asks Flocke if he knew Jacob ( something to that sorts ). Flocke replied, " in a matter of speaking". This leads me to believe that all the years prior it was just smokey posing as his brother.

I took it to mean that it wasn't Locke who knew Jacob, but MiB couldn't risk revealing his true identity to Ben until after he stabbed him.

As for saying stuff like "Don't tell me what I can't do", I don't see it as proof of any sort of some crazy disorder smokie could have. Over the course of the series, Jack and Ben have at least said this once. They aren't Locke any more than smokie is.

[locke_is_the_key]

It is obvious from last night's epi that the blonde kid is Jacob,the other one didn't look like MiB but may have been.
Desmond also saw one of the kids and Smocke said to ignore him.

In my very humble opinion, the "jungle kid" is not Jacob at all. 10 days from now, we know for sure...

[locke_is_the_key]

I took it to mean that it wasn't Locke who knew Jacob, but MiB couldn't risk revealing his true identity to Ben until after he stabbed him.


Exactly correct. Jacob recognized him immediately. Jacob set the rules with his brother, MIB/Smokey said he would find a loophole in them, Jacob admitted he found it. End of story.

[ortrules]

MIB is dead - or at least, his body is.

It would seem that the Smoke Monster and MIB's spirit were fused. In a way it's still MIB, but in a way it's not really.

[locke_is_the_key]

I think MiB or Jacob's twin brother actually died when the smoke monster escaped from the light.
Smokie took on his form and killed him cos we saw MiB's body lying dead. Jacob cried over it before taking it to the cave and then he said,'goodbye brother'.
Jacob knows his brother is dead and the smoke monster was just pretending to be him.

His body was killed by the EM, but MIB still lives.

[assila]

His body was killed by the EM, but MIB still lives.

I personally don't think Jacob actually killed MIB, he knocked him out but would have been fine had he not floated into the light. What happened after was that a.) the fall killed him, just as our losties cannot kill each other intentionally but can still make mistakes which lead to their deaths, the same goes for the brothers; or b.) MIB didn't die, but his body form was no longer required because he gained the powers of the light... thoughts??

[islelost]

I personally don't think Jacob actually killed MIB, he knocked him out but would have been fine had he not floated into the light. What happened after was that a.) the fall killed him, just as our losties cannot kill each other intentionally but can still make mistakes which lead to their deaths, the same goes for the brothers; or b.) MIB didn't die, but his body form was no longer required because he gained the powers of the light... thoughts??

I agree with you Jacob did not actually kill his brother.What will be interesting is how Jacob knows not to let smokey leave and what will ultimately happen if he does.I always thought to smokey home was to his body,or death.Crazy momma was sent home by death,I would think that would be the same for MIB.It is almost like invasion of the body snatchers smokey style.I am not sure if smokey is MIB soul only cause we see how the smoke can read a soul.It could just be that when the smoke takes on an identity he also takes on the characteristics of that dead person.Example MIB crazy momma and the passion to go home.Just dont get him wet he might multiply or feed him after 12p.Kidding aside I think the ability for the smoke to read someones soul is a big clue to the smoke mystery.:)

[locke_is_the_key]

I personally don't think Jacob actually killed MIB, he knocked him out but would have been fine had he not floated into the light. What happened after was that a.) the fall killed him, just as our losties cannot kill each other intentionally but can still make mistakes which lead to their deaths, the same goes for the brothers; or b.) MIB didn't die, but his body form was no longer required because he gained the powers of the light... thoughts??

Probably correct. He likely was unconscious but alive when he went down the tubes, but the EM "sucked his soul out" for lack of a better term, and the smoke is his new body.