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Gambo
02-02-2008, 05:57 PM
Ok. My theories on this show change daily but this is what I think. Jack and Kate are dead and are not part of the Oceanic 6. Jack is in the coffin hence why Kate said that she wouldn't go to the funeral. The people that went with Locke are alive and the people that went with Jack died which is why he wants to get back to the island to make everything right. I also think that Locke actually died in that pit and now can see Jacob and saw Walt standing over him.
I don't know Im sure I'll think something totally different tomarrow.

BriGuy0419
02-02-2008, 06:05 PM
How could Locke have died in the pit... but then "everyone that went with Locke are alive".

Plus, if Kate knew she was dead... wouldn't she want to go back?

But the writers of the show also confirmed that none of the show has anything to do with purgatory (the place between death and heaven)

Dzbabykel
02-02-2008, 06:07 PM
The writer's have also said that anyone that has died on the show is in fact actually dead, so I think that rules out people mysteriously dying and coming back OR people seeming like they are alive but really are dead. I just don't think the show is going in that direction.

Ms.Elphie5813
02-02-2008, 06:11 PM
Or maybe Sawyer is in the coffin, He and Jack have that love/hate kind of relationship?? But would Jack cry THAT hard....hmmmm. So maybe it's Sayid... Anyway I was really excited for the show to start back up, but then It just added to my confused state

bhargrove
02-02-2008, 07:50 PM
In the bible (they have done several biblical references in this show...) Jacob has a son named Benjamin... whose mother, Rachel, died after giving birth to him. Scholars argue that his name either means "Son of my pain" or "Son of my right hand".

We all know Ben's biological father was Roger and that his mother died after giving birth. However, Ben claims to have been born on the island (and he 'never' lies). What if he was 'reborn' on the island as the son of Jacob?

(To Roger, Ben is the son of his pain, but to Jacob he is the son of his right hand, his main man.)

Benjamin also died without ever having committed a sin (in the bible), could this be a reference to Ben never lying?

Not sure if it means anything towards the plot or not, but its pretty interesting.
(Above information from another Blog).
As I did my own research, Joseph was another son of Jacob. Joseph was greatly favored by his father Jacob and the rest of the siblings were jealous so they sold him off to another tribe as a slave. Joseph later returned to his home and disgraced his brother Benjamin in front of his tribe causing Benjamins tribe to lose faith in him. Joseph was also none as an "Interperetor of Dreams" and this is why his father favored him. I believe Joseph is John Locke coming back to reclaim what was once his(the island). That is why Benjamin is now afraid.

When John and Ben are in the house and Jacob speaks an image is flashed showing a man in the chair that Ben Speaks to. That image looks like the profile of John. The reason why John and Ben can hear Jacob is because neither of them were born on the island.

Another son of Jacob in the Bible is Gad. Gad was known as a bringer of "Fortune". What does Hurley bring? Not only bad fortune but also good fortune. I believe all of the main characters being portrayed as siblings of Jacob in the Bible and what they represented in the Bible. The island/Jacob is willing to become the father figure none of the survivors ever had. Michael had to prove himself by saving Walt numerous times to prove to Jacob that he was worthy of fatherhood. Since he proved it, he and his son were let go and placed back into society. Charlie died because though he loved Erin the baby, Charlie still had a vice(Heroin Addiction) which if he was sent back with the baby he could have been a bad father. John, Benjamin, Jack, Hurley, Jin, Sawyer, Kate, Yunjin, all had a father that dis-owned them, they dis-owned or died. Walt was saved because his real father Michael came and his soul and behavior could still be guided by a good man.

When the show shows the future, the media called the survivors the Oceanic Six. Hurley later said that they shouldn't have left the other 5 there. That is 11 plus Benjamin = 12, the 12 children of Jacob.

When Jack, Hurley, and Kate return, Kate is still a fugitive that is why they met near the airport, Jack becomes a drug addict and alcoholic like his dad, and Hurley goes to the security of the mental institution. They weren't ready to leave yet. They weren't healed and that is why their lives keep going downhill and they want to go back to the island. To be healed.

King_Nate
02-02-2008, 08:30 PM
how is it that they survived the plane crash...but some die agian?????????????????????????????i dont think they all are dead.......bad theory..TRY AGAIN......big bucks NO WAMMMY!!ahahah

Jahari Kavi
02-02-2008, 08:57 PM
a good question is is Kate still a criminal on record when she returns?.....when she tells jack at the airport that "she has to get back or he'll be worried" or something to that affect, does she mean her P.O.?

edit

i still think it's sawyer in that coffin.......

nikitancsu
02-02-2008, 09:07 PM
Okay, so it's possible I'm completely wrong, because my thoughts on this show change daily... At first I thought Locke was in the coffin in the flashforward, but after watching the episode again, I thought of another possibility for someone who was neither a "friend nor family," Ben.
It could be that Jack was so moved because of everything that had happened between he and Ben. Plus, he would not consider Ben a friend at all. Also, it could explain Kate having no interest in attending the funeral.
Just a thought!

BriGuy0419
02-03-2008, 01:31 AM
If it was Sawyer in the coffin... there is NO WAY that Kate would have acted like that when Jack showed her the newspaper clipping. She wouldn't say "Why would I go to the funeral". And I think Jack would consider him a friend after all they went through on the island. They seemed to become closer when Jack asked "why are you telling me this" and Sawyer told him, "Well, cuz you're the closest thing I got to a friend here".

BriGuy0419
02-03-2008, 01:35 AM
Benjamin also died without ever having committed a sin (in the bible), could this be a reference to Ben never lying?

...But Ben HAS lied... a decent amount too.

UnknownPoster
02-03-2008, 01:48 AM
I thought Ben lied all the time. I don't think I understand where you are going with that. Please clarify.
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aZiXx
02-03-2008, 02:08 AM
Lying? Ben? Nooo... ya don't say :) I think the Bible is clouding your vision of the Benjamin of Lost.

mdgole
02-03-2008, 02:16 AM
The subtitles said that the person in the coffin was from New york. Michael is the only character on the show that I know of that is from New York. Kate's reaction to the clipping could be due to the fact that Michael sold them out on the pier.

john-locke (harry)
02-03-2008, 06:26 PM
micheal is the man in the coffin mark my words




remember




j*c** *ove* y** ;)

UnknownPoster
02-03-2008, 06:28 PM
Michael does seem to be the best choice so far. WE really don't know if the clipping from the paper was actually made up for the show.

Hey where is hurley from?
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Dzbabykel
02-03-2008, 07:10 PM
I really don't think the clipping was made up for the show or to throw us off, I think everything they put there is for a purpose whether it be news clippings, paintings in the background or whatever, everything always seems to have some sort of meaning.

losttree
02-03-2008, 07:18 PM
if michael is dead, it could be so that walt's dad is dead (see dead dad's post) and so walt will come back to the island and jacob can "father" him or something.

john-locke (harry)
02-03-2008, 07:23 PM
it all makes sense it is micheal i also think the dead dads post is spot on

bunnydixon
02-03-2008, 07:42 PM
i feel a song coming on...

'jacob, jacob and sons......'

:P

seriously though, there are a LOT of biblical references on this show but also a lot of crazy science references aswell - look at jack & john, man of science, man of faith.

Dzbabykel
02-03-2008, 08:32 PM
Oh yah there are definitely religious references throughout the show. But that can still go along with the "daddy" references because in religion, God is seen as God the Father so to speak. We see that in the subliminal messages where it says "God loves you as he loved Jacob". With that said, anyone notice that "loved" is past tense? Maybe Jacob is dead and thats why Ben is shocked that anyone can see him? Haha I don't know, this show is officially giving me a headache :p

bunnydixon
02-03-2008, 08:35 PM
there are also a lot of wizard of oz references - particularly in relation to ben. just for fun or do they have meaning?

aZiXx
02-03-2008, 11:55 PM
there are also a lot of wizard of oz references - particularly in relation to ben. just for fun or do they have meaning?

The meaning I got was Locke doubted Jacob was real, I didn't think so either until the visit to the cabin. Oz was a Keizer Sozay, the real boss was hidden from everyone, for Locke, Ben was Oz pretending there was an actual Oz giving the orders.

rocket4
02-04-2008, 12:07 AM
thats a good idea and u should state that the box could copy peopel or theings to back up your idea about them being dead

bunnydixon
02-04-2008, 09:38 AM
yes he called ben the man behind the curtain and thats the meaning i took aswell but also the whole henry gale thing too. unless that was just a nice wee link for the lead up to locke thinking he was the one orchestrating the whole affair a la the wizard