Dharma = Team MIB

[ortrules]

I believe Dharma was working with MIB, just as the Others were following Jacob.

Consider this. MIB wants to leave the island, joins a group of scientists looking to harness the energy from the island. He is close to completing his goal before Mother stops him and kills all the people he was working with.

Flash forward to Dharma where a new group of scientists looking to harness the energy from the island. They run some tests, but it would seem that before their objectives were completed, they were purged by the Others (who followed orders from Jacob). Dharma also built their barracks on top of the tunnels. Horace built "Jacob's" cabin according to Locke's dream, but it turns out the cabin was seemingly inhabited by Smokey.

I also believe this would be a good way to tie in the Others/Dharma to the current story, where they seem to be lacking.

[jd95]

Could be. But I think MiB has been pulling the strings on the island more than even his supposed followers know.

[LissaMarie]

Interesting thought, Ort. My biggest issue with that idea is that I'm not sure that MIB brings people to the island. Are you thinking that Jacob initially brought them there but MIB "corrupted" them at some point?

[JfromtheD]

My only concern is that we wont see it.

So, if a scientist falls in the woods, and nobody hears it... did it really happen?

[3d-aholic]

I believe Dharma was working with MIB, just as the Others were following Jacob.


Yes, I believe you are right. MiB is the technologist.

[LostFanInTheD]

I believe Dharma was working with MIB, just as the Others were following Jacob.

Consider this. MIB wants to leave the island, joins a group of scientists looking to harness the energy from the island. He is close to completing his goal before Mother stops him and kills all the people he was working with.

Flash forward to Dharma where a new group of scientists looking to harness the energy from the island. They run some tests, but it would seem that before their objectives were completed, they were purged by the Others (who followed orders from Jacob). Dharma also built their barracks on top of the tunnels. Horace built "Jacob's" cabin according to Locke's dream, but it turns out the cabin was seemingly inhabited by Smokey.

I also believe this would be a good way to tie in the Others/Dharma to the current story, where they seem to be lacking.

Totally agree. I alluded to this in a different thread earlier. Makes sense to me.

[ortrules]

Interesting thought, Ort. My biggest issue with that idea is that I'm not sure that MIB brings people to the island. Are you thinking that Jacob initially brought them there but MIB "corrupted" them at some point?

Something like that. When MiB joined that first group, he integrated himself as one of them. He didn't act as a leader or figurehead, and they did not make a choice to join his cause.

I believe the same happened with Dharma. They didn't necessarily follow MiB intentionally, but they certainly would have been used by him to carry out his agenda.

[ortrules]

My only concern is that we wont see it.


I know. But I'm really hoping we get something more about Dharma and the Others, because right now their stories feel somewhat worthless in the grand scheme of things.

[LostFanInTheD]

My only concern is that we wont see it.



It could even be explained with a bit of dialogue if they wanted to. However, considering some of the bigger things they don't seem too worried about I wouldn't hold my breath.

[LissaMarie]

I know. But I'm really hoping we get something more about Dharma and the Others, because right now their stories feel somewhat worthless in the grand scheme of things.

That is for sure. We need some closure and understanding about the DI.

I would flip if they show MIB in one of those old DI team photos. :eek:

[Hume]

I think it's a pretty sound theory... :cool:

[Jeremy]

MiB is the monster. They built a fence specifically to keep it out. I think that it's only natural that they tried to dig up and find the energy, with being scientists.

[Lost Down Under]

So, if Richard was the spokesperson for Jacob, who would have been the spokesperson for Brother? Who would they have been getting their orders from?

[yokogleeton]

So, if Richard was the spokesperson for Jacob, who would have been the spokesperson for Brother? Who would they have been getting their orders from?

Horace?

you know, the guy who appeared to build the cabin in Lockes dream..the one who's house is on the smoky batphone...the one who finds and brings Ben Linus to the island.

just sayin

[Junglist]

Horace?

you know, the guy who appeared to build the cabin in Lockes dream..the one who's house is on the smoky batphone...the one who finds and brings Ben Linus to the island.

just sayin

...bingo....

[Lost Down Under]

Horace?

you know, the guy who appeared to build the cabin in Lockes dream..the one who's house is on the smoky batphone...the one who finds and brings Ben Linus to the island.

just sayin

Possibly. But he wasn't very good then if Ben ended up going to the other side.

Mind you, having just said that, Ben did kill Jacob, so yeah, maybe it was Horace.....and it was all in the great scheme of thing.

Horance brings Ben -> Ben goes to Team Jacob -> Ben kills Horace -> Ben kills Jacob.

[ai2301]

MiB is the monster. They built a fence specifically to keep it out.


Yep. Doesn't seem like they were working together too well.

Of course though Ben did end up being able to summon MIB... what class did he take for that?

[Jeremy]

Yep. Doesn't seem like they were working together too well.

Of course though Ben did end up being able to summon MIB... what class did he take for that?

I don't think Ben really summoned him; he only thought he did. Of course MiB had to play along in order to manipulate Ben into thinking he was a security system of the island as well as a judge, so that later on he would agree to be "judged".

[islelost]

MiB is the monster. They built a fence specifically to keep it out. I think that it's only natural that they tried to dig up and find the energy, with being scientists.

You took the words out of my mouth, was just about to say that.They built a fence to keep him out so that theory would not work.If there was no fence than I would say maybe.I still dont believe that Jacob wanted them to be gassed. That looks like the work of MIB to me he wants everyone dead so he can go home.If he can just team up with the scientist and leave using the energy no one is stopping him now.He could go to the wheel and give it a spin now who will stop him?

[AnOtherFromAnOtherMother]

As I watch Season 6, it almost seems like I'm watching a different "Lost", as compared to the series we first came to know. Season 1 was about "the others"( ... and by the way, what was with that whole thing about the others disguising themselves using theatrical make-up in Season 1. The explanation for that seemed vague & senseless, and didn't seem to go anywhere ). Then in Season 2 we we're introduced to Dharma, Ben Linus, etc., etc. When I think about all the flashbacks we sat through, especially about characters the writers ended up killing off very early on anyway( AnnaLucia, Mr Eco ), I have to wonder what some of it was all for. Sometimes I think the writers were making things up as they went along.

[islelost]

As I watch Season 6, it almost seems like I'm watching a different "Lost", as compared to the series we first came to know. Season 1 was about "the others"( ... and by the way, what was with that whole thing about the others disguising themselves using theatrical make-up in Season 1. The explanation for that seemed vague & senseless, and didn't seem to go anywhere ). Then in Season 2 we we're introduced to Dharma, Ben Linus, etc., etc. When I think about all the flashbacks we sat through, especially about characters the writers ended up killing off very early on anyway( AnnaLucia, Mr Eco ), I have to wonder what some of it was all for. Sometimes I think the writers were making things up as they went along.

Well I got bad news for ya all your questions will probably not be answered.Writers said they will only answer questions that are mostly about the characters.You will have to theorize for ever.That is the joke we will all be Lost, Lost in theories cause there wont be any answers.

[Desi420]

As I watch Season 6, it almost seems like I'm watching a different "Lost", as compared to the series we first came to know. Season 1 was about "the others"( ... and by the way, what was with that whole thing about the others disguising themselves using theatrical make-up in Season 1. The explanation for that seemed vague & senseless, and didn't seem to go anywhere ). Then in Season 2 we we're introduced to Dharma, Ben Linus, etc., etc. When I think about all the flashbacks we sat through, especially about characters the writers ended up killing off very early on anyway( AnnaLucia, Mr Eco ), I have to wonder what some of it was all for. Sometimes I think the writers were making things up as they went along.
That's how it goes with all works in progress. They just had to fill in 6 years. I think we are seeing the origin of Dharma on the Island with the Black Rock full of slaves and Miners, MiB's group of humans who were ancient scientists, and Danielles science team. Just as Psyco mom put it. The light in the streem had all the "answers" but "Man" is greedy and wants all of it for themselves.
The Flashbacks/forwards/sideways are just ways to tell the stories. If you met a tough talking tailie in season 2 who was just a female version of jack and it lead to her being killed off without knowing why she had trust issues and boiling anger from her miscarrage, you wouldn't have sympathy for her. Take Eko, a man who most people would make out to be evil through and though, turned out to be a hero for allowing himself be corrupted insted of his little brother. With this in mind, with out these flashbacks, the beach conversation between MiB and Jacob would have no meaning and would just be dialouge between the action. I think that what the past seasons were about was to show the Island and all that happened..... it was still just an Island.

[ortrules]

MiB is the monster. They built a fence specifically to keep it out.

How many people in the series knew what the smoke monster actually was? Not a single person, including Richard and Ben, were able to tell that Locke was actually the smoke monster in season 5. MIB could have been working with Dharma and no one may have known that he was the smoke monster.

Also, the smoke monster was summoned by Ben from the Dharma barracks. Ben lived in Horace's house.

[Jeremy]

How many people in the series knew what the smoke monster actually was? Not a single person, including Richard and Ben, were able to tell that Locke was actually the smoke monster in season 5. MIB could have been working with Dharma and no one may have known that he was the smoke monster.

Also, the smoke monster was summoned by Ben from the Dharma barracks. Ben lived in Horace's house.

The monster wasn't summoned. He chose to come to Ben's rescue to create the illusion that he was summoned, that he didn't have an agenda of his own and that he was an it.

[ortrules]

The monster wasn't summoned. He chose to come to Ben's rescue to create the illusion that he was summoned, that he didn't have an agenda of his own and that he was an it.

But then either way, Smokey is giving Ben (and Horace) the illusion that they can summon him at any time. In turn, this would mean that the fence is a red herring and Dharma didn't really need to protect itself from Smokey, it was just keeping up appearances.

If they believe that they can summon him, why would they need to feel threatened by him and put up the fence?

[Jeremy]

But then either way, Smokey is giving Ben (and Horace) the illusion that they can summon him at any time. In turn, this would mean that the fence is a red herring and Dharma didn't really need to protect itself from Smokey, it was just keeping up appearances.

If they believe that they can summon him, why would they need to feel threatened by him and put up the fence?

But we don't have proof that Dharma ever summoned him. They just decided to build their houses there. How do we know if Dharma knew anything about the ruins they were on top of, other than that they were there? Maybe Ben found it out by himself.

[ortrules]

But we don't have proof that Dharma ever summoned him. They just decided to build their houses there. How do we know if Dharma knew anything about the ruins they were on top of, other than that they were there? Maybe Ben found it out by himself.

You're right, there's no proof there. But it's too much of a coincidence to me that Dharma just happened to build their barracks on top of the tunnels. And even more of a coincidence that Horace's house was literally a cement block away from the tunnels.

[Jeremy]

You're right, there's no proof there. But it's too much of a coincidence to me that Dharma just happened to build their barracks on top of the tunnels. And even more of a coincidence that Horace's house was literally a cement block away from the tunnels.

But then I still don't understand. Why build a fence around the place that the Others can easily get across that just so happens to hinder the monster, especialy if they know they can summon it?

[Loat Sheik]

As I watch Season 6, it almost seems like I'm watching a different "Lost", as compared to the series we first came to know. Season 1 was about "the others"( ... and by the way, what was with that whole thing about the others disguising themselves using theatrical make-up in Season 1. The explanation for that seemed vague & senseless, and didn't seem to go anywhere ). Then in Season 2 we we're introduced to Dharma, Ben Linus, etc., etc. When I think about all the flashbacks we sat through, especially about characters the writers ended up killing off very early on anyway( AnnaLucia, Mr Eco ), I have to wonder what some of it was all for. Sometimes I think the writers were making things up as they went along.

It was all from the sake of Drama and suspense. For 5 years we all sat glued to our TVs for an hour and then spent countless hours online researching theories and philospohy. Without all the drama and crazy speculation they created with all the story lines, Lost is just a show scifi nerds would watch on some obscure channel late at night. The writers took a science fiction story, married it with theology and philosphy to grab the attention of a wider viewing demographic and created the top rated show on TV for half a decade. I agree that this season is very different and the continuity errors are popping up like crazy, which didn't happen too often in seasons 1-5. I thinks its because in order to keep most of America's attention they witheld a lot of the exotic scienfiction storylines until the last two seasons, which also left too many questions unanswered for too long, so now that are trying to cram everything into too short of a window. The show is still highly entertaining and I can't wait until the 23rd.

[Lostaholic84]

AH I actually came on today to post about this exact topic. glad some1 already did. I was thinking the same thing after tuesday...that dharma is essentially an extension of what mibs people were. at first I thought maybe dharma was started by an ancestor maybe of one of those people, but then decided that was impossible because the mother burned them all up. Then I decided MIB probably manipulated or influenced some people to start searching for this energy which over time turns into dharma. Now the question would be where did these people come from. And my guess would be that Jacob starts bringing ppl to the island to "see if his mother was right about all man having evil in him". MIB decides ppl is exactly what he needs and somehow(by using his old body? taking some1 elses body? some other way?) shows one or a few of these men that there is som energy that can be used for special purpose on this island. these men start to research it and eventually decide they could use some scientists and start subbing them over(bit of a hole here as to how they can now bring ppl on a sub but o well) and they become the dharma. meanwhile all the rest who decide theyd rather leave the island alone and these ppl obviously are the others. also gna throw out there that maybe....just maybe....mib was horace similarly to how he was locke. although i doubt that and think its more likely that horace was to mib as richard was to jacob. Now many of you had said that this theory is wrong because the pilons or whatever were outside dharma to keep smokey out. well my first response to that is how do we know it wasnt to keep jacob out? we know richard was jacobs number 2 and we know they thought it would keep richard out. also maybe mib is in human form and they dont realize ther working on the same team as the smoke so ther trying to keep out the monster who they dont know there working with. more realistically tho i think they were keeping out jacob...so he couldnt sabatoge the way mother did

[jd95]

There is no doubt that at least symbolically DHARMA were the modern-day group that were MiB's people. In MiB's time, they were researching and learning, getting close to the source and a step or two away from actually harnessing that power.

DHARMA was getting ever closer as well. They, too, were scientists.

And they both were purged before they got to the light.

DHARMA called the others "hostiles" and they warred with them. That means they warred with Jacob's people. (Altough I still think MiB seemed to be pulling the strings as well...)

So, if there has to be sides drawn for each group, it seems obvious what group would side with which "deity". But I doubt it's quite so clear.