Annie!

[justjoe]

No not that Annie. Ben's childhood girlfriend Annie. Could hold some very important clues.

From Lostpedia:

Annie is a variant of Ann and Hannah, which are of Hebrew origin, meaning "favored grace".

Hannah was the mother of the prophet Samuel. After her marriage Hannah initially seemed to be barren. Later, she asked God to bless her with a child, and her prayer was answered.

"Annie" was the first shown alias of Kate, who used it to try to fool Ray Mullen in "Tabula Rasa". Kate's middle name was revealed to be Anne in "Eggtown".

On the DVD commentary track for "The Man Behind the Curtain" Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse describe Annie as being of "seismic" importance to Lost.

[justjoe]

Where is she? What happened to her? Did she have Ben's baby and leave the island?

[Jasonater]

Do you think that Goodwin's wife might be Annie? Could there be a connection? She definatley has some effection toward Ben.

I don't think Annie was killed in the purge, but not alive in 2004. I do think if Goodwin's wife is indeed dead. Maybe she died in pregnancy/labor?

[ortrules]

I remember some theories floating that Kate was Annie. And I only bring up this idea again because Kate went up to Miles, very incessantly, to ask "Do you know who I am?" Granted, we are to believe she was talking about her being a fugitive, but perhaps there's more to it than that.

Just a thought...one I don't really believe myself.

[1hourisntlongenough]

I remember some theories floating that Kate was Annie. And I only bring up this idea again because Kate went up to Miles, very incessantly, to ask "Do you know who I am?" Granted, we are to believe she was talking about her being a fugitive, but perhaps there's more to it than that.

Just a thought...one I don't really believe myself.

This passed through my brain as well!!!! I think this may be a possibility!!!!

[justjoe]

Kate is way too young to be Annie. She did use it as an alias in season one though.

[ortrules]

One more note to the theory I don't even believe:

From the original post: "Later, she asked God to bless her with a child, and her prayer was answered." Kate gets Aaron, somehow, in her flash forward.

[justjoe]

Up to now Kate hasn't wanted a child and Annie was a long time ago. Kate is ~20 years Bens junior.

[ortrules]

Up to now Kate hasn't wanted a child and Annie was a long time ago. Kate is ~20 years Bens junior.

Plus, it's not even Claire's Aaron. ;)

[teamlost23!]

Plus, it's not even Claire's Aaron. ;)


Elaborate please??

[lockeintomyeyes]

Just a ? what is Kate's mom's name? What is Juliet's sisters name? I just can't remember.

[agmic]

so far in this story, we have gone from sc fi to drama, and now we are starting the biblical side of things.....Annie is Ben's childhood friend, that's all.

[BrothaDezzy]

so far in this story, we have gone from sc fi to drama, and now we are starting the biblical side of things.....Annie is Ben's childhood friend, that's all.

From what we know rite now. I wouldnt be surprised if she is connected to one of the losties somehow. If the producers said in the commentary to Man behind the curtain she has some importance to lost I think she may be more than just a childhood friend. But from what we know rite now that is all we have been revealed.

[agmic]

But was Annie there when the purge happened ????? maybe Ben sent her off the island before this happened.....but how, Ben wasn't the boss then, he was just a workman....

[bunnydixon]

say annie is off the island and say she has acged normally - what women do we know who have been featured in the show who would be around the right age?

helen? anyone think of anyone else?

[bunnydixon]

what about libby? we know she had brown hair at one point! and okay she is younger but if the time difference thing is true, that could account for it?

[agmic]

both good picks, but why change her name ????

[lockeintomyeyes]

What is Kate's Moms name??????? Is it Di anne?

[justjoe]

I'm curious as to why Annie was on the island in the first place.

[heavensprincess]

Maybe Annie is Juliette's sister and that is who Harper is talking about when she says you look just like her.

[justjoe]

Good thought princess. You never know with this show.

[bunnydixon]

I'm curious as to why Annie was on the island in the first place.

i think she just came with her family like ben did with his dad.

[justjoe]

Seems too simple. Ben wasn't brought there with his dad. His dad was brought there because of Ben. JMO

[bunnydixon]

maybe! i think the bigger questions is why were the people who worked for dharma recuited - why did they in particular get the job.

[chococat512]

does anyone remember if annie was blonde? b/c when harper is talking to juliet she says something a long the lines of "no wonder he likes you, you look just like her" maybe she is referring to juliet looking like annie

[agmic]

I'm staying with it's a long lost love of Ben's that somehow Harper knows about...

[ortrules]

I'm staying with it's a long lost love of Ben's that somehow Harper knows about...

Which so far equals Annie...

[agmic]

Which so far equals Annie...

nope, it's not Annie, because Annie was Dharma and "most" of them were killed during the purge..... this long lost love was someone else, don't know who at this point,,,,,,

[teamlost23!]

Yeah it's probably Annie. She was the only person who , besides his mother that he never got to know, ever even cared about Ben and showed him any kind of love & affection. She gave him the only birthday present he ever got, which he still keeps with him remember? Besides that, no one on the the Island knew what his mother looked like so that rules out Juliet looking like his mother. I wonder what happened to Annie??

[agmic]

she got purged

[ortrules]

she got purged

Did she? She was Ben's best friend - I can't imagine Ben would have killed her too. For all we know she went into hiding, or helped plan the purge.

[agmic]

Did she? She was Ben's best friend - I can't imagine Ben would have killed her too. For all we know she went into hiding, or helped plan the purge.

do you think that Annie was the only person that was with Dharma??? He(Ben) along with the others(Hostiles) killed them all...... no survivors.

[ortrules]

do you think that Annie was the only person that was with Dharma??? He(Ben) along with the others(Hostiles) killed them all...... no survivors.

No, I know Ben killed all of Dharma...what I'm saying is that maybe Ben hid Annie or helped her get out of it or leave the island before it happened.

I don't recall them specifically saying that Annie was killed.

[agmic]

that's true, but there has never been a list of those that were killed in the purge....

[teamlost23!]

she got purged

Really? She got purged too? Wow, Ben is nuts!!

[heavensprincess]

Kevin Inman was part of Dharma and he survived, Annie could have too.

[justjoe]

Absolutely princess. I have said this before. Not everyone on the island was killed during the purge. Maybe Ben got her prego and she died like all the other moms to be. Maybe he let her go. Maybe she is still there but turned on Ben. Many possibilities. And to answer an earlier question, yes Annie was a blonde.

[bunnydixon]

annie doesnt have to be someone we know already i guess!

[Turnip Queen]

OMG! That's fascinating! And how it all fits in - I wouldn't have even though to associate Kate's aliases with Annie, I forgot about that!

[Lenae7]

I was kinda thinking along the same lines that possibly she survived and got pregnant but died like all the others which is why Ben kidnapped Alex (out of grief)

[agmic]

Absolutely princess. I have said this before. Not everyone on the island was killed during the purge. Maybe Ben got her prego and she died like all the other moms to be. Maybe he let her go. Maybe she is still there but turned on Ben. Many possibilities. And to answer an earlier question, yes Annie was a blonde.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Annie
doesn't look like a blonde to me.....

[ortrules]

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Annie
doesn't look like a blonde to me.....

That's just your opinion...:D

[justjoe]

I would call that dirty blonde ag. Maybe I'm reaching.

[agmic]

ok dirty blonde, but i'm saying she's dead.

[justjoe]

Not saying I agree or disagree with you on that. Not really sure what happened to her. But if she holds such importance to the show like the producers said she does when will we ser her again and why is she so important?

[1hourisntlongenough]

In Lostpedia it is written under her character's description that it is unknown what has happened to her......so we can't count her dead yet. I have a feeling she is very much alive and will somehow be a link to help us begin to solve some island mysteries!!

(btw...brunette!!:D:D)

[justjoe]

Light brown... :p

[1hourisntlongenough]

Light brown... :p

Sold.....Light Brown: final!!!!!!!!;)

[ortrules]

I really can't see Annie being dead, at least, not from the purge. There are two people that Ben cared for and who returned that favor: Ben's mother and Annie.

I can't imagine with Ben's mother dead that Ben would go ahead and kill the single most important person in his life.

[agmic]

ok, MAYBE she isn't dead, But here a new one.... she's the spy on the boat.... and not blonde....

[Lost in VA]

That wouldnt of meant anything to Locke because he didnt know her.

[agmic]

ahhhh, maybe Annie is Locke's long lost daughter that he had with Helen....

[justjoe]

Good point VA. I think she is living somewhere off the island but still involved in this whole thing somehow. In what capacity I am not sure yet.

[Lost in VA]

Agreed, when Ben "dusted" the Dharma people, he wouldnt of killed Annie.
We see how obsessed he gets with his women.

[justjoe]

If he had I'm sure they would have made a point of showing us this.

[ortrules]

I think it's quite possible that Annie was pregnant with Ben's child and died during childbirth. Hence the whole reason for Ben bringing Juliet to solve this problem in the first place. When (whats her name who appeared to Juliet in the jungle) told Juliet that she looked like "her" I definitely think she was referring to Annie.

Two things to note about that exchange: The woman wouldn't know who Annie was if Annie was killed in the purge and that "her" is dead. Ben wouldn't care if anyone looked like "her" if that "her" was still around.

[agmic]

so "her" is dead.. agreed

[justjoe]

Actually Harper mentioned that she looked like "her" during their first session and not in the jungle. So yes Harper could possibly know what Annie looked like. Why else would she say it?

[ortrules]

so "her" is dead.. agreed

Yep. The only other possibility is that if "her" is referring to Annie, maybe Annie left Ben and the island or something and made no plans of returning. But I'm leaning toward the fact that Annie dies later in life on the island.

[ortrules]

Oh yea, and the other reason I think Annie died during childbirth is because that would make both Ben's mother and Annie victims of death during childbirth. And I remember Richard once saying something along the lines of how Ben's agenda with figuring out a cure for childbirth was not of much importance to the rest of the Others, only to Ben.

The only thing I don't like about Annie dying during childbirth is, where is the child? As we know, Ben only has one child in Alex - and that's not even his kid.

[justjoe]

Here is what I said earlier in this thread.

Maybe Ben got her prego and she died like all the other moms to be. Maybe he let her go. Maybe she is still there but turned on Ben. Many possibilities.

This about sums it up for me.

[agmic]

one child that we know about....

[bubbleboy]

I'm curious as to why Annie was on the island in the first place.

Probably, for the same reason that Ben was. Dad and or Mom needed a job. There is a good chance the job ended and they moved back. Mom may have gotten pregnant and had to move back so she would not die. If that happened then the child could be Juliet. Maybe that is why Jack "does not want to see her file". I believe that her refers to Ben's mom. People would know what she looks like from pictures.

[justjoe]

Ben's dad got a job as retribution from his wife dying. Why Anne's parents were there? Still a mystery.

We have seen pics of Ben's mom and as far as I'm concerned she looks nothing like Juliet.

[ortrules]

I believe that her refers to Ben's mom. People would know what she looks like from pictures.
Did you see the way Ben looked at Juliet? You don't look at your mom that way...

[justjoe]

And you don't really say "you're mine!" to your mom. Unless she's really hot!!!

[agmic]

or he is really distribed......

[lostmama]

:(Maybe Ben allowed Annie to travel back and forth on and off island like he did and if she was preggers with Ben's child, she could have gone off island to have a baby so she didn't die and maybe lost memory like Desmond did during one of her trips because of going off course, etc....maybe her mind wound up in an alternate reality...

HA....maybe she was a patient with Hurley at the "home"....So, who's the baby??? Any guesses? If there is a family resemblance, maybe she was Juliet's sister??? Ben could be old enough to have a daughter that age....and what with the time difference stuff.....If you remember, She couldn't get pregnant, and Juliete helped her through invitro remember. Maybe one of the side effects of coming off island back to civilization is you can't get pregnant??? So that would make Juliette Ben's sis in law...(if they were married?)....
Am I rambling???? I'm so confused!

[ortrules]

If there is a family resemblance, maybe she was Juliet's sister??? Ben could be old enough to have a daughter that age....and what with the time difference stuff.....If you remember, She couldn't get pregnant, and Juliete helped her through invitro remember. Maybe one of the side effects of coming off island back to civilization is you can't get pregnant??? So that would make Juliette Ben's sis in law...(if they were married?)....
Am I rambling???? I'm so confused!

Wouldn't that make Juliet Ben's daughter?

[agmic]

yes..... but I don't think so.... how many dads go around saying to their daughter "your mind"

[justjoe]

That would make her his cousins uncles sisters former roomate.

[lostmama]

I'm very confused!!! My head hurts!!!

:(

[agmic]

That would make her his cousins uncles sisters former roomate.

twice removed

[BrockLanders]

I believe that Annie died on the island and i believe it was during the pruge for one main reason. In season 3 when the others are sorta on the run and in tents in the jungle. I believe it is the episode that we learn about Annie the same episode in which Ben brings Locke to Jacob. In Ben's tent he has both of the statues that Annie gave him for his birthday. For his birthday she made two statues one of Ben one of herself she showed him both but only gave him the one of her. They were to keep each other. If she left when younger she would have taken hers with her off the island. But Ben has both. If she turned on Ben i believe Ben would not covet both with such importance, but he keeps them both in really good condition, and thinks they are important enough to take with him and display in his personal tent ie cant live with out. I believe he looks on them with sadness indicating that he did this(the purge) he knew where she lived and knew right where she kept it and once he killed her in the purge Ben grabed the statue of himself and now has both statues.

[boulderheart1]

i think when Harper says 'you look just like her' i think she is refering to Bens mom, harper if she is one of the hostiles ( iirc) would of known of ben seeing his mother, so i dont think she was referring to annie or lover but some one he loved however i did see some post if kates mom was called di anne put the 'i' from di infront of the 'e' and u get D annie put the D and annie together u get dannie ?!?!?!?!!?
so either D annie or dannie :) could help us?

[lostmama]

:DSo JOe....could who could Annie be?

1.Juliett'e sister (with amnesia...from traveling on and off island)
2. Claire's mom who died in the car accident, making Claire Jack's sister and Annie's daughter
3. The woman in the car accident with her son on the bridge that Jack caused
4. Kate's mother (making Ben the step father killed in the fire??? in the future??? or in the past??? or during one of his off island visits???)
5. The woman who appears to Desmond in the jewelry store?
6. The groupie chick that slept with Charlie for drugs...
7. The fortune teller's daughter
8. The woman that Sawyer was shacked up with in Iowa or wherever the hell it was??
9. A cute little red headed orphan who rises above adversity and becomes the loving adopted daughter to a well know socialite, also known as Daddy Warbucks!!!....
10. All of the above?

[agmic]

i think when Harper says 'you look just like her' i think she is refering to Bens mom, harper if she is one of the hostiles ( iirc) would of known of ben seeing his mother, so i dont think she was referring to annie or lover but some one he loved however i did see some post if kates mom was called di anne put the 'i' from di infront of the 'e' and u get D annie put the D and annie together u get dannie ?!?!?!?!!?
so either D annie or dannie :) could help us?

Didn't Ben's mom die shortly after child birth. so Ben could have seen his mom, but I don't think he would remember what she looks like. But there is/was a picture of his mom in his house I believe.....

[ortrules]

Ok, a few things.

1 - As stated numerous times in this thread, "her" cannot be Ben's mom. If Juliet looks just like Ben's mom, then why does Ben want to get into Juliet's pants so badly?

2 - Also stated in this thread, Annie did not have to die in the purge - she may have died later in life (explaining why Ben has both statues). One theory is that Annie died giving birth to Ben's child.

3 - Dark Helmet and Lone Star are not related.

[boulderheart1]

Ok, a few things.

1 - As stated numerous times in this thread, "her" cannot be Ben's mom. If Juliet looks just like Ben's mom, then why does Ben want to get into Juliet's pants so badly?
.

well we all know ben is twisted in the head and i just think he Wants her all to hiself not so he can get into her pants, thats why he didnt want her to be with goodwin, because he wants her to be his, but not in a romantic way
thats my personal opinion

[ortrules]

well we all know ben is twisted in the head and i just think he Wants her all to hiself not so he can get into her pants, thats why he didnt want her to be with goodwin, because he wants her to be his, but not in a romantic way
thats my personal opinion
When Juliet was looking through the microscope with Ben he tried to put his hand on hers. Not to mention the dinner party for two.

[boulderheart1]

When Juliet was looking through the microscope with Ben he tried to put his hand on hers. Not to mention the dinner party for two.

well i can only assume ben not only thinks she looks like his mother but also thinks she is really hot too xD lol
butg never the less i am sticking by my theory cos i can think of any blonde haired women that are realted to ben in any sense

[ortrules]

butg never the less i am sticking by my theory cos i can think of any blonde haired women that are realted to ben in any sense
Can you explain what you mean here? I don't understand what "blonde haired women that are related to Ben" is suppose to mean.

[agmic]

Quote:
Originally Posted by boulderheart1
butg never the less i am sticking by my theory cos i can think of any blonde haired women that are realted to ben in any sense

Can you explain what you mean here? I don't understand what "blonde haired women that are related to Ben" is suppose to mean

Yea, what does that mean??? who many blonde hair women are related to Ben????

[boulderheart1]

Can you explain what you mean here? I don't understand what "blonde haired women that are related to Ben" is suppose to mean.

iwhen i say related to ben i refer to when harper says 'you look jsut like her' so i cant think of any other blonde haired women (like juliette) who have talked to ben in the past

[ortrules]

iwhen i say related to ben i refer to when harper says 'you look jsut like her' so i cant think of any other blonde haired women (like juliette) who have talked to ben in the past
Why does "her" have to be blonde? If Juliet's hair was brunette, she would still look the same as this "her"

[agmic]

man, we need pictures. Just so this doesn't turn into another 305 v 325 thingy.....:D

[boulderheart1]

Why does "her" have to be blonde? If Juliet's hair was brunette, she would still look the same as this "her"
Because some people like me look at hair moire then facial features to describe if some1 is similar i just think the wrightors would use hair mor ethen facial features etc , to make some1 look the same

[boulderheart1]

i would also liek to say about the dinner for 2 that maybe ben just wanted to get know mor about the women who 'looks like her mam (imo)
and ofc the holdijng hands thingy ben never new his mam, and wants to hold her hand rofl xD
but i think because ben doesnt show alot of emotion ben would use ideas like this

[ortrules]

man, we need pictures. Just so this doesn't turn into another 305 v 325 thingy.....:D

I'm on it...

[ortrules]

http://images.lostpedia.com/images/e/e1/3x20_emily_is_creepy.jpg
http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/71/JulietS4.jpg

[heavensprincess]

OK, I think they look alike.

[boulderheart1]

hmm a gud one of annie would do aswell

[ortrules]

Personally, I don't see any resemblance between Juliet and Ben's mother.

Lostpedia isn't working for me right now, but they have a picture of Annie that I will post when it becomes available. If anyone can get to it, can you post the picture? Also keep in mind that we only know Annie as a child.

[boulderheart1]

lostpedia seems to be down atm not working me either will get into it tomoz after skewl

[justjoe]

So JOe....could who could Annie be?

1.Juliett'e sister (with amnesia...from traveling on and off island)
2. Claire's mom who died in the car accident, making Claire Jack's sister and Annie's daughter
3. The woman in the car accident with her son on the bridge that Jack caused
4. Kate's mother (making Ben the step father killed in the fire??? in the future??? or in the past??? or during one of his off island visits???)
5. The woman who appears to Desmond in the jewelry store?
6. The groupie chick that slept with Charlie for drugs...
7. The fortune teller's daughter
8. The woman that Sawyer was shacked up with in Iowa or wherever the hell it was??
9. A cute little red headed orphan who rises above adversity and becomes the loving adopted daughter to a well know socialite, also known as Daddy Warbucks!!!....
10. All of the above?

Lost mama I think it's none of the above. I think we haven't met her as an adult yet and when we do she will be the wife of Charlse Widmore or a waitress at a truckstop.

[justjoe]

The only picture of Annie on Lostpedia that I saw is of when she was young so it's hard to compare her to Juliet.

[bunnydixon]

yeah - comparing annie as a child is not really much help as she could have easily changed the way she looks.

i think the resemblence between julet and bens mum is the hair really.

[lostlindy]

Where is she? What happened to her? Did she have Ben's baby and leave the island?

are you thinking Kate could be Ben's daughter? that would put everyone into a spazmatic fit!!LOL :eek: I also like the thought of her (Annie) being the wife of Widmore. that would be interesting!

[justjoe]

I don't think she is Kate's mom becasue Ben is supossedly only forty according to what Jack said about his spinal x-ray. Kate is in her late 20's (?). Anyway the timing doesn't work out. But wife of Widmore I could see. What if Annie is trying to find Ben and Charles doesn't want that to happen so he is trying to find the island first and kill Ben? Who knows...

[ortrules]

You know, if Annie is Widmore's wife, that would explain how Widmore knows about the island to begin with.

I've said it before, but how would Widmore know about the island to begin with? He bought the Black Rock journal, but how did he know to buy it in the first place?

[boulderheart1]

You know, if Annie is Widmore's wife, that would explain how Widmore knows about the island to begin with.

I've said it before, but how would Widmore know about the island to begin with? He bought the Black Rock journal, but how did he know to buy it in the first place?
he probably jsut guessed that it had something to do with the island when he heard about a slave ship that dissapeared, he thoguth it could help him get there

[justjoe]

No he definitely has an intimate knowledge of what the island is all about and the secrets that it holds. How he knows this is another question.

[ortrules]

he probably jsut guessed that it had something to do with the island when he heard about a slave ship that dissapeared, he thoguth it could help him get there

From what I understood, he was definitely at that auction to buy that very book in the hope that it would help him find the island. But why is he trying to find the island? And how does he know about it if it's so well hidden?

My thoughts were that Widmore is either part of Dharma (funded Dharma perhaps) or that he has a insider who knows about the island.

On another thought, is it possible that Widmore is Annie's father? He looks like he could possibly be old enough.

[justjoe]

Annies father and mother lived on the island. I think he may be Annies husband.

[skatertsol]

Ok I don't know if this has been brought up I didn't read everyone's posts but what if Kate's mom is Annie (the apollo bar....she has cancer and no one one the island is supposed to get cancer, but then Ben gets a tumor, there is haziness around Kate's real father...) Edited: yes it has been brought up...all apologies.

[justjoe]

That is a major question. Why didn't the island heal Ben like it healed Rose.

[thelawgiver]

A few things:

1. How do we know that Annie survived Ben's purge of Dharma? Maybe I'm under the false impression that she died in the purge and that this is the guilt Ben has when he sees the doll she gave him.

2. How do we know the island healed Rose? Because she feels like it did? I don't think Jack has the tools to run any cancer diagnostics on her. She'd have to have a full PET scan before I would buy her miraculous recovery.

[ai2301]

You know, if Annie is Widmore's wife, that would explain how Widmore knows about the island to begin with.

I've said it before, but how would Widmore know about the island to begin with? He bought the Black Rock journal, but how did he know to buy it in the first place?


Ya never know. It could have been something she told him shortly before she died or some wonderfully dramatic thing like that. Or she could have had old diaries which included information- perhaps even info about Ben being responsible for the Purge (not saying Annie knew about it but it's possible that she did...).

If Annie was indeed his daughter perhaps Ben had a hand in killing her mother (Widmore's former wife an true love)- something that Widmore might hold a grudge against... So perhaps he wants the island because it's special and also to kill Ben.
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[ai2301]

A few things:

1. How do we know that Annie survived Ben's purge of Dharma?
2. How do we know the island healed Rose?

We don't know what happened to Annie.

As far as Rose goes, the story is telling us that she's healed and given that we know what happened to Locke I don't doubt it. It would be pretty lame for them to pull a "oops I guess she wasn't really healed" bit but who knows, but for someone who had very little time left her condition isn't worsening at all from what I see:)
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[krakup]

That is a major question. Why didn't the island heal Ben like it healed Rose.

i remember ben telling juliett that Jacob can cure cancer and that Jacob (not the island) promised to cure julietts sister of cancer.now if he can cure cancer i presume he can allow someone not to be cured,ie jacob caused ben to get cancer. why i dont know but for jacob to ask locke for help would indicate that ben mayb got jacob trapped and jacob striking back the only way he can