Reverse Racism

[Phillip]

Has anyone else been paying attention to the Shirley Sherrod thing? I've noticed people on tv refer to "reverse racism" when speaking of a minority discriminating against a white person. Shouldn't that just be called racism? I don't get why white people can only be called racist. Just wondering if I'm alone on this. I know there are many people not from the US on this forum. The story I'm referring to relates to a stupid media driven story about race here in the US.

[KatieShephard]

Who? :confused:

[Phillip]

Who? :confused:

Shirley is a woman who worked for the agriculture dapartment. She gave a speech to the NAACP and told a story about how she didn't want to help a white farmer keep his land because lots of black farmers were losing their land. A blog site posted the video but edited the end where she decided to help the white family. The government actually fired her before they saw the whole video. Which is kinda scary that the administration woul make decisions based on YouTube clips. But that's not my point.

I just think it's sad people that people classify racism in categories. You are either racist or you're not. Isn't classifying a person a reverse racist based on their color actually racist?

[boutte]

Shirley is a woman who worked for the agriculture dapartment. She gave a speech to the NAACP and told a story about how she didn't want to help a white farmer keep his land because lots of black farmers were losing their land. A blog site posted the video but edited the end where she decided to help the white family. The government actually fired her before they saw the whole video. Which is kinda scary that the administration woul make decisions based on YouTube clips. But that's not my point.

I just think it's sad people that people classify racism in categories. You are either racist or you're not. Isn't classifying a person a reverse racist based on their color actually racist?

Sounds about right to me.

Here in N.O. we're equal opportunity racists. You can be discriminated against by somebody no matter what your race is.

[KatieShephard]

Shirley is a woman who worked for the agriculture dapartment. She gave a speech to the NAACP and told a story about how she didn't want to help a white farmer keep his land because lots of black farmers were losing their land. A blog site posted the video but edited the end where she decided to help the white family. The government actually fired her before they saw the whole video. Which is kinda scary that the administration woul make decisions based on YouTube clips. But that's not my point.

I just think it's sad people that people classify racism in categories. You are either racist or you're not. Isn't classifying a person a reverse racist based on their color actually racist?

Thanks Phillip.

I agree. Racism is hate any way you slice it.

[JfromtheD]

Has anyone else been paying attention to the Shirley Sherrod thing? I've noticed people on tv refer to "reverse racism" when speaking of a minority discriminating against a white person. Shouldn't that just be called racism? I don't get why white people can only be called racist. Just wondering if I'm alone on this. I know there are many people not from the US on this forum. The story I'm referring to relates to a stupid media driven story about race here in the US.

I've been following it since the night it aired.

Tom Vilsack obviously proved he is an idiot, and jumped the gun. But the NAACP denounced her speech just as quick.

The whole thing is a mess.

[krakup]

dont be racist, hate all people equally, regardless of gender or race

[JfromtheD]

dont be racist, hate all people equally, regardless of gender or race

I don't dislike you because you're black or white... I dislike you because you're a prick!

[Jelena]

dont be racist, hate all people equally, regardless of gender or race

Excellently put Krak. Don't mind if I start quoting you on this. :)

[shawnv]

The glass is half full, I really love everyone equally or at least try my best at it.

:)

[Splashtcup]

Has anyone else been paying attention to the Shirley Sherrod thing? I've noticed people on tv refer to "reverse racism" when speaking of a minority discriminating against a white person. Shouldn't that just be called racism? I don't get why white people can only be called racist. Just wondering if I'm alone on this. I know there are many people not from the US on this forum. The story I'm referring to relates to a stupid media driven story about race here in the US.

yes race is a powerful tool used by a certain ideology in this country. It is Fox news fault...oh and Bush's too!!:rolleyes:

[JfromtheD]

oh and Bush's too!!:rolleyes:

Of course it is. I stubbed my toe yesterday and I'm certain GW was somehow behind it. :D

Re: Fox news... Fox is biased to the right as MSNBC is biased to the left. That's just life.

I'll tell you what though, I could watch Megyn Kelly all day long.
Nothing more attractive than a strong, well educated woman who slaps people around with her knowledge.

(plus she's smoking hot!) :cool:

[Splashtcup]

of course it is. I stubbed my toe yesterday and i'm certain gw was somehow behind it. :d

re: Fox news... Fox is biased to the right as msnbc is biased to the left. That's just life.

I'll tell you what though, i could watch megyn kelly all day long.
Nothing more attractive than a strong, well educated woman who slaps people around with her knowledge.

(plus she's smoking hot!) :cool:

agreed!!:d

[Horus]

I wrote a blog last week about reverse racism and the media's inability to call people out on it. I left this incident out because it smelled fishy from the get go.

I hate it when I am right. :p

[JfromtheD]

it smelled fishy from the get go.

You got something against Fish, Horus?!?

What, they don't smell good enough for you? Huh?!? :mad:

[Phillip]

Of course it is. I stubbed my toe yesterday and I'm certain GW was somehow behind it. :D

Re: Fox news... Fox is biased to the right as MSNBC is biased to the left. That's just life.

I'll tell you what though, I could watch Megyn Kelly all day long.
Nothing more attractive than a strong, well educated woman who slaps people around with her knowledge.

(plus she's smoking hot!) :cool:

Yeah. I think fox has a factory that produces nothing but hot blonde anchors

[Jeremy]

If there's anything anyone learned from Lost, it's not to judge a group by one person's actions. Racism, sexism, whatever form of discrimination is wrong, no matter who it is directed at.

Of course all news people are biased. :p

[JfromtheD]

Not necessarily, there are a lot out there who are pretty even keeled.

And I don't even mind the bias. It's when they pretend they aren't that I have issues with.

[Nemesis Prime]

The whole issue is completely out of control. I would bet that if a poll was taken that the majority ion this country would be found to not be racist at all and yet the issue pops up somewhere just about everyday. To me this has just become another word to further any number of different groups own interests. Whether that be the media, naacp, immigrant groups etc.

I'm not going to be white anymore, I'm going to be Irish American, maybe then I can use the word to my advantage as well.

[Dogan 815]

In England Racism is Racism it doesnt matter who the person is spouting the hate.It makes me laugh because the U.K was invaded numerous times by Vikings,Normans, Saxons,Romans etc so nobody is a pure breed of anything and i think this applies globally.In my eyes racism is ignorant and pointless.

[greeneggs]

I hate it when I am right. :p

Luckily for you, that rarely happens.

[Horus]

You got something against Fish, Horus?!?

What, they don't smell good enough for you? Huh?!? :mad:

And what is your beef exactly? You have relative that is a trout? I lived in Alaska for three years, all I ate was fish. And occasionally, I took the woman out on a date. :D

I know I going to get some love for that.

Luckily for you, that rarely happens.

Yeah, it only happens 99.999999999999999999999999999999 percent of the time. Very rare in deed. :p

[Phillip]

[QUOTE=JfromtheD;434349]Of course it is. I stubbed my toe yesterday and I'm certain GW was somehow behind it. :D[/QUOTE

What would the response have been if the Bush Administration had fired her after the video came out? There would have been an even bigger uproar

[Phillip]

Re: Fox news... Fox is biased to the right as MSNBC is biased to the left. That's just life.

I agree. I know what I'm getting with both networks. That includes the news portion of the day. Not just the nightly entertainment news. During the day on fox I'll get more of a conservative view. On msnbc I'll get more liberal slanted news. During the elections I actually like CNN. They have really good election coverage. I would say they are in the middle of the 3 major networks.

It's funny though cause then you have jeraldo Rivera on fox on sat and his show has turned into entertainment tonight.

[boutte]

I wrote a blog last week about reverse racism and the media's inability to call people out on it. I left this incident out because it smelled fishy from the get go.

I hate it when I am right. :p

I accidentally tuned in to a black radio talk station a while back. That was an eyeopener!

[boutte]

I agree. I know what I'm getting with both networks. That includes the news portion of the day. Not just the nightly entertainment news. During the day on fox I'll get more of a conservative view. On msnbc I'll get more liberal slanted news. During the elections I actually like CNN. They have really good election coverage. I would say they are in the middle of the 3 major networks.

It's funny though cause then you have jeraldo Rivera on fox on sat and his show has turned into entertainment tonight.

Geraldo keeps being credited with being a journalist when nothing could be farther from the truth.

[Horus]

I accidentally tuned in to a black radio talk station a while back. That was an eyeopener!

I really miss the good old days when the news was reported from an impartial point of view.

[Phillip]

I really miss the good old days when the news was reported from an impartial point of view.

These days there are so many places to get the daily news they gotta find a way to get us watching. Everyone has an opinion now

[JfromtheD]

I like CNN as well. They had a period where they weren't so great, but have made nice strides over the last few years.

Anderson Cooper, Sanjay Gupta, Ali Velshi are all pretty solid.

[notsolost42]

i love anderson ... that grey haired fox :D
but, i didn't say that cause i'm not really here ... just your imagination J ...

[JfromtheD]

He's Calvin Klein's son, isn't he?

[notsolost42]

i don't think it was calvin klein but it is some very wealthy family. i remember being surprised when i had heard who his mama is ... :D
it could be calvin klein though, i don't remember...

[JfromtheD]

I just looked it up, it's Gloria Vanderbilt... close enough. :D

[notsolost42]

I just looked it up, it's Gloria Vanderbilt... close enough. :D

That's it!!! Thanks for that. I was going to look it up but I got involved in wathching this new Gordon Ramsey show that's on now.

[greeneggs]

I just looked it up, it's Gloria Vanderbilt... close enough. :D

calvin klein, gloria vanderbilt? okay, Mr GQ. :D All I know is they both made perfumes that I wore back in the day ...

[JfromtheD]

Two words: Blue Jeans... :D

[notsolost42]

Didn't the Gloria Vanderbilt's have a swan stitched on the pocket or someting?

[JfromtheD]

Don't know... but I wouldn't doubt it.

[notsolost42]

I think I remember that. *shrugs*

[Horus]

List of things about JD:

Hates the sex scenes on True Blood.
Discusses fashion with women.

I see a pattern developing here ... If he says he loves musicals ...

[yokogleeton]

List of things about JD:

Hates the sex scenes on True Blood.
Discusses fashion with women.

I see a pattern developing here ... If he says he loves musicals ...

hmmm generally speaking, Showtunes are the lynchpin :D

[greeneggs]

hmmm generally speaking, Showtunes are the lynchpin :D

"start spreadin the neeewwwss, I'm leavin today, I want to be a part of it, New York, NEEW YOOOORKKK" :D

[Horus]

Sorry I brought it up ...

[greeneggs]

Sorry I brought it up ...

why sorry? no you aren't

[yokogleeton]

"start spreadin the neeewwwss, I'm leavin today, I want to be a part of it, New York, NEEW YOOOORKKK" :D

Hey now...Frankie Blue Eyes is NOT what i had in mind when i said showtunes...


you ease up on classically beloved crooners there Eggs

i was thinking more along these lines....(if i can get the markers set to work...if not go to 5min30s...)

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dang....that never works like i'd like it to...

[JfromtheD]

List of things about JD:

Hates the sex scenes on True Blood.
Discusses fashion with women.

I see a pattern developing here ... If he says he loves musicals ...

:D @ "Showtunes"

What comes between Brook Sheilds and her jeans? Nothing. :cool:
<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AXzR5b6HoIA&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AXzR5b6HoIA&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

[JfromtheD]

dang....that never works like i'd like it to...
Try it now...

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_j9BbR6bI_I&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&start=330"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_j9BbR6bI_I&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&start=330" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

[Unbridled Pageantry]

List of things about JD:

Hates the sex scenes on True Blood.
Discusses fashion with women.

I see a pattern developing here ... If he says he loves musicals ...

Don't even get him started on how great his hummer is.

[JfromtheD]

Don't even get him started on how great his hummer is.

:D (NotThatThere'sAnythingWRONGWithThat!)

[greeneggs]

:D (NotThatThere'sAnythingWRONGWithThat!)

LMAO :p:cool:

[yokogleeton]

Try it now...

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_j9BbR6bI_I&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&start=330"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_j9BbR6bI_I&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&start=330" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

thanks J....now a little "what did i do wrong there" help, would be great if you wouldnt mind throwing a PM my way.

[JfromtheD]

It was a real bitch to grasp, but once you've done it a few times, it will start to click in your head.

In the embed code the URL shows up in quotes twice. Typically in the 2nd line and again in the 3rd from the bottom.

The second line in your video is this:
value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_j9BbR6bI_I&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1"></param><param


Right before the last quotation mark, you add the start time (&start=)... but it must be in seconds. So 5 minutes 30 seconds= 330
value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_j9BbR6bI_I&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&START=330"></param><param

Dont worry about what comes before or after... just look for that end quote of the URL and add &start= before it.

[yokogleeton]

It was a real bitch to grasp, but once you've done it a few times, it will start to click in your head.

In the embed code the URL shows up in quotes twice. Typically in the 2nd line and again in the 3rd from the bottom.

The second line in your video is this:
value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_j9BbR6bI_I&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1"></param><param


Right before the last quotation mark, you add the start time (&start=)... but it must be in seconds. So 5 minutes 30 seconds= 330
value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_j9BbR6bI_I&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&START=330"></param><param

Dont worry about what comes before or after... just look for that end quote of the URL and add &start= before it.

muchas gracias. Thats not the way i was told to do it before, so thanks for the correction.

now go on with the Clorophyll.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/billymadison.jpg

[Horus]

why sorry? no you aren't

Oh yes I am.

Now I have JD and UP discussing their choice in "motor vehicles". We are all trying to go "green" guys ... stop buying hummers! :D

[JfromtheD]

muchas gracias. Thats not the way i was told to do it before, so thanks for the correction.

now go on with the Clorophyll.
The other way is for actual links.
... more like 'Boreaphyll.' :D

[JfromtheD]

... stop buying hummers! :D

I don't buy... I lease. :D

[JfromtheD]

Essence Magazine hired a white fashion director... oh the humanity! :rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/28/new.york.essence.magazine/

[notsolost42]

I don't buy... I lease. :D

yeah, but i heard you pay by the hour :D

kidding ... ya know i luv ya J !!! ;)

[JfromtheD]

Where the hell did I put that Rimshot?!? :D

[notsolost42]

hahaha ... you're a good sport J :D

[Phillip]

Essence Magazine hired a white fashion director... oh the humanity! :rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/28/new.york.essence.magazine/

Ha. Imagine if there was a white magazine that hired a black fashion director and if someone at the magazine said it physically hurt

[JfromtheD]

Sometimes I swear, people don't want equality... they want what the other guy has.

[notsolost42]

people always want what the other guy has ... until they get it ...

[JfromtheD]

Pretty much...

The Peter Principle:
"People rise until they reach the level of their own incompetence."

[notsolost42]

yep, i remember that book too ... :cool:
people cannot think past their own scope of understanding ...

[JfromtheD]

Ooh, it's a book?

Maybe I'll check it out. :cool:

[notsolost42]

where did you think it came from? either your youth or my age is showing ... maybe both :eek:

http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Principle-Laurence-J/dp/1568491611

[JfromtheD]

Eh, just something I picked up along the way...

[notsolost42]

hahaha ... yeah, picked it up along the way ... you'll enjoy the book. ;)

[Horus]

I don't buy... I lease. :D

Do they do loan plans for that?

[Phillip]

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[JfromtheD]

"Don't leave home without it!" :D

[JfromtheD]

Do they do loan plans for that?

Sorry, I missed this...

Yes they do, but it's cheaper if you do a "one pay"/up front.

[Horus]

Sorry, I missed this...

Yes they do, but it's cheaper if you do a "one pay"/up front.

Somehow I don't think I will ever need to take out a loan or make an up front payment on a hummer. If I can't get one without money, I don't want it.

[greeneggs]

Wow. This really blows.

[stream]

The glass is half full, I really love everyone equally or at least try my best at it.

:)

me too, unfortunately, this is another of those really stupid things that makes it so embarrasing to be from the USA - and now they wont leave that guy who quit the airplane alone, what was he charged with? opening the emergancy door and grabbing a few beers - didn't they owe him that? he didn't shoot up his co workers so what the hay

[Horus]

Wow. This really blows.

Hopefully just the ladies. :D

[stream]

Horus you bad boy are you back? You better behave;)

[boutte]

I once tried to get into the Clerks and Checker's Union on the docks down here. The feds had come down on them because it was an all white union. It was one of those things where you had to know some one to get the job but feds had implemented a program where the Union had to publicly announce that they were hiring and applicants would be hired according to how their scores rated on a test the Gvt. had put together.

When they announced that they were hiring 50 people over 1500 applied. I took the test and had one of the 50 highest scores. I didn't get the job. Of the people hired all were black and most were women. I was disappointed but figured, oh well that's fair. Then I found out the longshoreman's union which was all black didn't have to announce hirings and didn't have to give competitive tests. They just continued to hire family and friends. In other words it was ok for them to remain all black.

[jd95]

I once tried to get into the Clerks and Checker's Union on the docks down here. The feds had come down on them because it was an all white union. It was one of those things where you had to know some one to get the job but feds had implemented a program where the Union had to publicly announce that they were hiring and applicants would be hired according to how their scores rated on a test the Gvt. had put together.

When they announced that they were hiring 50 people over 1500 applied. I took the test and had one of the 50 highest scores. I didn't get the job. Of the people hired all were black and most were women. I was disappointed but figured, oh well that's fair. Then I found out the longshoreman's union which was all black didn't have to announce hirings and didn't have to give competitive tests. They just continued to hire family and friends. In other words it was ok for them to remain all black.

Stories like this get repeated often. It's sad, and what really bothersome is that the black people who think this is the right thing to do often don't realize it makes them just look worse. And the white people who support it do so out of fear and/or guilt, which doesn't make it right either.

Here in NY, when a some white teenagers beat up a couple of black teens and scream "the N word" (I hate using that phrase), it's front page news and it's a "hate crime" and Reverend Al pokes his fat head into the picture.

When the reverse happens, and the black kids scream out racial epithets, etc., it's buried in the paper, if reported at all, and the race of the attackers isn't mentioned. There is no one screaming about hate crimes and no protests about it.

What a country.

[Splashtcup]

me too, unfortunately, this is another of those really stupid things that makes it so embarrasing to be from the USA - and now they wont leave that guy who quit the airplane alone, what was he charged with? opening the emergancy door and grabbing a few beers - didn't they owe him that? he didn't shoot up his co workers so what the hay

WOW..I will never be embarrassed to be from the USA.:D

[Horus]

me too, unfortunately, this is another of those really stupid things that makes it so embarrasing to be from the USA - and now they wont leave that guy who quit the airplane alone, what was he charged with? opening the emergancy door and grabbing a few beers - didn't they owe him that? he didn't shoot up his co workers so what the hay

Having worked for the FAA at one time, he is very lucky he is only getting charged with criminal mischief and a few other things. He broke a major regulation by opening an emergency door and activating an emergency chute without an emergency. He violated another regulation when he landed on the tarmac ... only trained personnel are supposed to be down there. The only exception being when passengers are being guided to/from a plane for embarkation/debarkation. He could be hit with a federal theft charge for stealing the alcohol. The guy is getting off very easy.

I understand his frustration, but as an employee working under strict FFA guidelines, he should have known better.

Horus you bad boy are you back? You better behave;)

I wasn't aware I left. Behave? You sound like my mother. She gave up on me about 20 years ago ... you should do the same. :p

[JfromtheD]

me too, unfortunately, this is another of those really stupid things that makes it so embarrasing to be from the USA -

Maybe it's time to go house hunting in Mexico... less embarrassing there, I'm sure. ;)

As far as that stewardess, he snapped. Luckily he snapped while the plane was on the ground... what if it wasn't?

[Horus]

As far as that stewardess, he snapped. Luckily he snapped while the plane was on the ground... what if it wasn't?

That would be steward and not stewardess. And if he would have tried that manuever at 30K feet it would have been much more entertaining and news worthy.

[JfromtheD]

That would be steward and not stewardess.

Says you.

Incidentally, if I had any respect for the guy he would be a "flight attendant."

[Horus]

Says you.

Incidentally, if I had any respect for the guy he would be a "flight attendant."

What exactly are you trying to imply?

I hate the whole politically correct thing ... they are stewards and stewardesses. Flight attendant ... what the hell is that?

[JfromtheD]

I think Dr Laura's biggest mistake was apologizing.

That sounds stupid, but at least she could have made an argument for saying it.
Apologizing just admits that she's an assh0le who got off by saying the word on air.

I absolutely HATE that word, from anyone or anybody, white, black, red or green!
(funny to use the word 'hate' when talking about a word that instills it, I know.)

[JfromtheD]

Aw man, now it looks like I'm talking to myself... :o :D