Charlie's Death

[OutrageousFortune]

Hi Folks:

Charlie's Alive!! ;)

I've got the following questions about Charlie's death:

1. Why did he lock himself inside the room?

Presumably he did this to lock the door and prevent the water from flooding the main chamber. However, there is a problem with this theory. In the instant of time he had to make his decision, the natural assumption would be that just going outside the room and holding the door closed would have been just as effective. The water inside the room would have held the door closed just as effectively as locking the door.

This assumption of course is wrong. The air pressure in the large chamber is at a pressure greater than the water inside the room because it is in equilibrium with the open water 2 feet below floor level. The door would therefore have been pushed open.

But Charlie could not have thought this through in time and probably did not know enough physics anyway.

So, why didn't he just leave the room and close the door??
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2. After making the mistake of locking himself inside the chamber, why did the water go above the top of the porthole??

Unless the metal over the porthole was ruptured (and there is no visual evidence for this), the water would not have risen over the porthole. As soon as air was prevented from escaping through the porthole, the air pressure inside the cabin would prevent any further rise of the water.

Charlie, could then escape through the open porthole and swim to the surface. Of course he would have to make sure that he exhaled all the way during his ascent to stop his lungs from rupturing.
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3. Even if the hull is ruptured and water fills the chamber. Why did Charlie not wait for the chamber to fill and then make an attempt to escape through the open porthole??

As he dies, we see him crossing himself (with his left hand - Catholics cross themselves with their right - is there any faith that use the left hand??) in calm water. It is clear that water has stopped gushing in through the open porthole. He could therefore have easily escaped.
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These are the questions that woke me up at 4 am this morning. I had to write to you guys, the gurus of LOST to find the answers to these puzzlers. Hope you can throw some light on these issues. :)

Perhaps the writers realize all the above and therefore Charlie is really alive and will make a comeback later in the series. So when he "appeared" to Hurley later in the mental asylum, he was really alive and just playing a prank.

Cheers,

[R.I.P.Charlie]

So what your saying is I have to change my screen name.

[heavensprincess]

I always thought he closed the door from the inside because he was trying to prevent Desmond from getting in. At the last minute Desmond saw Penny on the monitor and called her name. I assumed he was sacrificing himself to save Desmond.

[Dzbabykel]

Also if he hadn't of closed the door, Patchy would have ended up flooding the whole station, which I doubt would have mattered anyway but I think Charlie wanted to save Desmond and had already accepted his fate he was going to die.

Also think about it, when Desmond was running towards the door he was screaming Penny since he saw her on the monitor. Maybe Charlie was worried that Desmond would want to stay and talk to Penny rather than getting himself out? Just a thought :)

[InLikeFlynn]

yeah when I watched that scene I couldn't understand why he didn't just go outside and secure it. He had the time. But one of things I like about LOST is they are not afraid to kill off their main players. It would be tacky and unnecessary to bring Charlie back. They can always flashback.

[1hourisntlongenough]

When Charlie appears in the asylum to speak to Hurley he confirms to him that he is in fact dead. I believe that he stayed and accepted his fate because he understood from Desmond's visions that in order for Claire, Aaron, and the rest of his friends to be rescued he had to die.....which is why he had volunteered to swim down to the underwater station in the first place.

[JoLost]

I don't think he is dead, I think he wanted Desmond to think he accepted his "fate" so that everything would work out the way it was supposed to.

[parapadme]

I think... that I saw an article telling that Evangeline and Domonic broke up because they couldn't keep a long distance relationship... meaning Dom wasn't on the set much of this season....

Truth, or set up to catch us off guard? Hmm....

Charlie is dead. He said it himself. He's dead, but he's here...

I don't think we shoukld try so hard to figure anything out. Let's face it... we're not smart enough. If we were smart enough to figure things out like this, we wouldn't be sitting on our asses watchnig the show, we'd be building rockets and crap.

It'll be revealed, everything, in time. What did they say, a max of 8 seasons? So that's only 4 more years at most.

Time to just enjoy the show... we'll all end up like Hurley if we think too hard!

[Kage]

But it is just too much fun to at least try to figure stuff out, and get to be the one to say "SEE I TOLD YOU SO".

[bunnydixon]

i think charlie closed the door as he was pretty much told by desmond he had to die for everyone to be rescued so he sacrificed himself.

maybe the porthole was too small for him to swim out of?

[Ezekiel 25:17]

C'Mon guys, this isn't saw for cryin' out loud. When someone's dead, they're dead. We physically saw Charlie drown and stop moving and die. He barely had enough breath to get down to the station much less chill in that chamber and wait for it to equalize and then swim out he'd never make it. Don't beat ur self up cause a character died. He'll be in plenty of flashbacks, I'm sure cause people like Des'd feel guilty about what happened. :cool:

[iluvpunks07]

NOt just because i love him
but because with the turns of this show he prolly is not dead
and for all we know, some strang twist of fate that someone saved him , or he wasnt completely dead when the sene changed , and swam out
But he did what he beielived was he's duty, he knew that he had to die to save everyone , and because of that face alone
charlie is my hero

[chrispaccord]

C'Mon guys, this isn't saw for cryin' out loud. When someone's dead, they're dead. We physically saw Charlie drown and stop moving and die. He barely had enough breath to get down to the station much less chill in that chamber and wait for it to equalize and then swim out he'd never make it. Don't beat ur self up cause a character died. He'll be in plenty of flashbacks, I'm sure cause people like Des'd feel guilty about what happened. :cool:

Locke was shot and "left for dead", he turned out to be very much alive. Jack's dad is supposed to be dead, yet we saw him on the island and he was referenced as being alive in the first flash forward, so it's not at all a stretch to believe that Charlie is still alive.

Charlie says that he's "dead but not dead", which can just be a fancy way of describing feeling dead inside, or having no purpose in life.. Anything, really. I think the writers phrased it that way so we wouldn't have any real closure, and be left to speculate.

Personally, I think it was a stupid way to die. He had more than enough time to get out and close the door from the outside, which would have been far easier to push close than pull, anyway. And you can lock it from the outside, too. Underwater stations are made that way for just that reason.

Plus, so what if he didn't get the door closed? There would have been more than enough time to get to the scuba gear, or just plain swim out by way of the moon pool. And it's much easier to swim up than it is to swim down, so even Charlie could have done it. Bah. I didn't like them killing off (for now, at least)Charlie, especially that way.

[Archangel-Player]

I think Charlie is dead. It was his destniey. As pointe dout by Desmond's vison.

If Charlie wasn't dead wouldn't you think that Desmond would have left Charlie in that room? I would think he would have done everything humanly possible to open that door. He could see everything in that room from the window on the door. He watched Charlie as he had his last moments and accepted his death. Otherwise he wouldn't have went to the surface and give the bad news.

I belive Jacob was the one becoming images of Christian to Jack and now Hurly to show them a path they are supose to take. But sinc eCharlie appeard to Hurly off th eisland it kinda makes me wounder how. Can Jacob make him self appear even off the island? Charlie came in the same fasion as Dave did except he was trying to help Hurly andnot hurt him as Dave was doing. When Hurly would see Dave he wasn't in a daze. But after he saw Charlie he woke up out of a daze and looked around to see everything was normal. I belive Jacob used the form of Yemie in the same matter on the island and it was him that showed Locke and Eko to the pearl in their dreams. So perhaps Jacob did the same for Hurley. Perhaps Jacob can also interact with you threw your dreams as well as off the island.

[ehodgson]

i think charlie closed the door as he was pretty much told by desmond he had to die for everyone to be rescued so he sacrificed himself.

maybe the porthole was too small for him to swim out of?

its not our fault hes to fat he should lay of the peanut butter lol