dead dads

[bunnydixon]

i am new and have not read through ALL the posts so mucho apologies if this is old hat....

was reading someone elses post and it made me realise there is a strong link to dead dads.

locke and ben both killed their fathers
assuming the michael in a coffin theory is true then he is dead and is walts dad (maybe walt even caused it)
jacks dad (and claires dad) is dead and his body is on the plane
sawyer saw his dad kill himself
kate killed her stepdad
rousseau killed alexs dad (after he became infected)

cant think of any else of the top of my head. maybe its just coinkydink but who knows with this show!!!

[UnknownPoster]

Shannon's dad died in the car wreck that introduced Jack to his ex-wife
I am not clear if Boone's dad died or divorced his mom

I am totally with you so far that there is a theme of dead dads, but does it mean something?
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[UnknownPoster]

I cannot remember if they confirmed Alex's father was in Rousseau's crew theough.
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[losttree]

i was thinking about this idea as well. what about the idea that the father's of everyone on the island knows about the island and that is why christian was there, john's dad was there (saying "don't you know where we are" and not that it was hell). maybe all of their fathers have already been to the island and they were all supposed to live there or something????

[bunnydixon]

thats a fair point!

[john-locke (harry)]

maybe jacob is a mixture of all the dead dads or maybe jacob is just what people want him to be!!!!



but i think jacob is john locke

hmmmmmm im sure we will find out!!

[Dzbabykel]

I agree there is a strong father theme in this show and I think it goes along with the religious themes that are thrown in there such as "God loves you as he loved Jacob" which we've seen already in the subliminal messages. Maybe everyone on the island is looking for a type of "father figure" which Jacob could potentially take the place of. I read somewhere on another post saying that the "eye" Hurley sees looks like it could be his father, so maybe Jacob takes the form of different people's fathers? I had never really thought about it like that until reading this post. It's a stretch but this show is pretty crazy already haha :)

[TuesdaySmith]

...
locke and ben both killed their fathers
assuming the michael in a coffin theory is true then he is dead and is walts dad (maybe walt even caused it)
jacks dad (and claires dad) is dead and his body is on the plane
sawyer saw his dad kill himself
kate killed her stepdad
rousseau killed alexs dad (after he became infected)


I agree, it's definitely a recurring theme.

Also,

Jin's father is still alive (unless I'm forgetting something), but he tells people he is dead.. so, he sort of kills him off.

Kate kills her real father, not her stepfather.. remember when she's talking to her "dad", she says something like "why didn't you tell me Wayne was my father?".

[losttree]

that's true. kate does kill her real father. crazy. ya i agree that maybe jacob is trying to replace everyone's lack of a father figure. just like when carl is watching that brainwashing video. that's why locke had to kill his father, but is sun's father dead?

what about charlie's? maybe the people who die don't need jacob, which is why they die? hurley's dad is alive i think, too?

[bunnydixon]

i dont remember that at all - i thought her dad was the military guy she goes to see? what ep is it in?

[bunnydixon]

up to now, it would appear that suns father is still alive.

[john-locke (harry)]

noo the milatery guy is not her real dad!!!! thats what she thought but after she killed her dad by blowing him up she found out it was her real dad

[UnknownPoster]

I think she just assumes Wayne is her real father. It could be someone else.

Hurley's dad abandoned him.

Christian seems to repeatedly express deep regrets about the father he was to Jack

Charlie's dad was unsupportive if I remember right

We know about Michael's troubles and Walt's hesitency to accept him as a father

Aaron's dad ditched Claire
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[TuesdaySmith]

i dont remember that at all - i thought her dad was the military guy she goes to see? what ep is it in?

I can't remember.. I think it's called "What Kate Did", maybe S2? They're all getting a little blurry now.. But it's the one where she's talking to her military dad.

She still thinks of him as her dad but he's not her birth father. She tells military dad that she was making a scrapbook for him and she was checking out dates on pictures, and it was something like he had been in China? up until a few months before she was born. Then she asks "Why didn't you tell me Wayne was my father?".

[bunnydixon]

yeah, we did a quick recap of the last half of season 2 and then all of season 3 before this season started but the earlier eps are a bit hazy here too!! i had totally forgotten that she found out he was her real dad.

oh and this might be clutching at straws but yemi - eckos brother was a father of sorts as was ecko i guess and they are both dead!

[Kage]

Kate thought the military man was her real father but in fact Wayne was her real Dad not her stepdad this was from season 2 "What Kate Did" I think.

[matwadell]

I have been aware of the overlying theme of "Daddy issues" throughout. I also am very in tune to the Biblical and religious overtones of the show and that brings me a lot of interest as to who Jacob is. He is undoubtedly in some leadership position on the island. Jacob in the Bible is known as the "Father of Israel"--FATHER to the 12 tribes which comprise the nation of Israel. And the whole "God loves you as He loved Jacob" message that they were brainwashing Karl with?

Obviously I have proven no points here. Just some huge puzzle pieces which keep me unavoidably hooked to this show until I get the answer.

[Kage]

Also Aaron's father is out of the picture.
Hurley's Dad walked out on family for a long period of time.
Well I guess we established there is major Daddy issues going on it's gotta mean something,doesn't it.

[john-locke (harry)]

wonder what happend to sayids family never really said:confused:

[UnknownPoster]

I read somewhere on another post saying that the "eye" Hurley sees looks like it could be his father, so maybe Jacob takes the form of different people's fathers? haha :)

Hurley's dad is Cheech, and although I am not positive, I have to assume Cheech has brown eyes
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[Dzbabykel]

Oh and I just remembered, Richard tells Ben before he joins the Other's that he must kill his father if he is to start his life and renew himself, just as he tells Locke to do later on. I find that interesting as well, with all that said I would def agree there is a Daddy theme among us.

[UnknownPoster]

What about this - THey ask Ben if they should retrieve his father's body from the van to join the rest of the DHARMA people in the pit, but he says not to.

????????
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[bunnydixon]

yeah i wonder why he refuses them? and why is the pit open?

[Dzbabykel]

Yah that part kind of confuses me because at first I was thinking that maybe Ben didn't really want to kill his father, so he would stage it and thats why he didn't want to retrieve the body for Richard to add with the other people killed in the purge. BUT we saw Ben's father start bleeding from the nose and keel over dead while he let the van crash into the woods. Also, Hurley, Sawyer and I believe Jin all find van WITH Ben's dead father Roger in it.....worksuit, bones and all. Maybe Ben just didn't feel his father deserved a proper burial and wanted to leave him to lie in the forest?:confused:

[Dzbabykel]

Annnd maybe the pit is open because they expected another purge to happen so its open in case they have more bodies to put in there?? Just a thought lol.

[UnknownPoster]

BTW Roger seems to make no effort to either open a window or door when the gas goes off. If it was just gas it seems like he could have EASILY escaped that.
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[bunnydixon]

yes they do find him and break his skull off lol!

i wondered if the pit was open as a reminder? or to use as a threat?

[UnknownPoster]

It is easier than constantly digging new graves.

It was convenient to dispose of Locke, had he died from Ben's gunshot.
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[Dzbabykel]

I just wanted to add something else I just remembered regarding the parallel among the dead fathers. Desmond also has a father that something happened to. If you remember, he had to drop out of college in order to take care of his 3 brothers because something happened to his father. Not sure this has been covered yet but it just goes to show you there is a definite "father" theme.

[lostforawhile]

and hurleys grandfather died too.....who he saw as a father figure, didnt his dad leave???? probably to go smoke with tommy chong

[Dzbabykel]

Hahahaha touche!

[lilCrazydude]

I agree with this fishy statment.. it has to mean something... also dont foget about Eko..when he was young his father got shot

Also someone said that "Jacob" is Locke..inpossible becasue Locke was with ben and he saw Jacobs spirit and heard Jacobs cry for help

[1hourisntlongenough]

Also lets not forget that Ben killed his father too!!!!!

[Dzbabykel]

So lets see, the people that killed their father so far are Kate, Ben, Eko, Locke (sorta...he had Sawyer do it although interestingly enough Locke is the ONLY one that chose not to hurt his father so that makes him stand out already), annnd (I'm drawing a huge blank here)...

And then we've got Desmond who's father died somehow, Juliete's father who got hit by a bus I believe, Walt who didn't grow up with a father figure, Jin was ashamed of his father, Sun I don't think respected hers, Shannon and Boone's father died, Sawyer's father killed himself, Hurley's grandfather died, I think Ana Lucia's father died, Claire's father (Christian) was obviously never around and was the same way with Jack...

I'm having a tough time remembering but do we know about Sayid, Rousseau, Michael or anyone else I'm leaving out? The only other one I can think of is Alex which we still don't know who her father is....we know its not Ben, he just claims to be her father.

I apologize if this is full of holes, haha I'm just trying to remember off the top of my head so I could be totally off on some of those! :confused:

[hallsballs]

we don't know anything about juliet's father. it was her ex-husband that got hit by the bus.

[polarsawyer]

Pretty much everyone has some type of father issue, whether they killed their dad, wanted to kill him, lost him some other way, or he was a bad influence, or just a flat out bad father.

Locke - dad used him, then tried to kill him
jack - dad neglected him among other things
kate - she killed her dad
walt - has a step dad and his real dad, thought real dad abandoned him, doesn't want to give him a chance
sawyer - dad shot mom and himself after being conned by lockes dad
hurley - dad left him, came back after winning lottery to use him
charlie - never really saw dad, but older brother was drug addict and got him hooked
desmond - father in law hates him
ben - killed his dad
claire - was a child of an affiar of jacks dad
sun - dad is ruthless business man, who blackmails her in a way and uses her husband
jin - embarassed his dad is a fishman, lies saying he is dead.

get my drift?

god, abandoning those on the island? or is he trying to guide them to faith.
"God loves you as he loved jacob"? (clip from Orchard video)

[Dzbabykel]

we don't know anything about juliet's father. it was her ex-husband that got hit by the bus.

That's right, my bad :)

[BriGuy0419]

No, the military guy that she goes to see, she always THOUGHT was her real dad... so she went to him to say "why didn't u tell me" (about Wayne being her REAL dad).

Also... umm Alex's dad is Ben

[1hourisntlongenough]

Alex is Rousseau's daughter....she was pregnant before she got to the island. The Others kidnapped her away from Rousseau after she was born. Ben raised her as his own.........

[BriGuy0419]

ohhh oops, ya i knew that but for some reason forgot. I dont see why he raised her on his own, she doesnt even like Ben. And they stole her when she was a baby so its not like she knew what happened.

[1hourisntlongenough]

My guess is that she was stolen at birth for the same reason any child is taken by the Others....they cannot procreate there, they have that "plague/sickness" that will kill any woman who conceives on the island before they can deliver. But that is a good question you asked about why Ben himself chose Alex to be "his". Hmmmm.....:confused:

[bunnydixon]

and dont forget that charlie was standing in as aarons dad of sorts and now he is dead but that might be shrieking of the straws and the clutching thing again lol!

[hollie425]

i am new and have not read through ALL the posts so mucho apologies if this is old hat....

was reading someone elses post and it made me realise there is a strong link to dead dads.

locke and ben both killed their fathers
assuming the michael in a coffin theory is true then he is dead and is walts dad (maybe walt even caused it)
jacks dad (and claires dad) is dead and his body is on the plane
sawyer saw his dad kill himself
kate killed her stepdad
rousseau killed alexs dad (after he became infected)

cant think of any else of the top of my head. maybe its just coinkydink but who knows with this show!!!



kate killed her real dad. her mom got back with the father again

[rip-charlie]

i am new and have not read through ALL the posts so mucho apologies if this is old hat....

was reading someone elses post and it made me realise there is a strong link to dead dads.

locke and ben both killed their fathers
assuming the michael in a coffin theory is true then he is dead and is walts dad (maybe walt even caused it)
jacks dad (and claires dad) is dead and his body is on the plane
sawyer saw his dad kill himself
kate killed her stepdad
rousseau killed alexs dad (after he became infected)

cant think of any else of the top of my head. maybe its just coinkydink but who knows with this show!!!



Wouldn't it be great if Alexis has something to do with Ben death!!!!

[rip-charlie]

Annnd maybe the pit is open because they expected another purge to happen so its open in case they have more bodies to put in there?? Just a thought lol.


See they brought Lockes dad to the island and told John he had to kill him right? then after locke came back showed him that is father was dead. He told ben that now you need to start talking. That is when ben took him for a walk and showed him Jacobs cabin and all. When Locke heard him Ben knew the next round was coming. That is why he shot John to stop it. just my idea. I have never watched a show that i have had to think so much! lol But i love it!

[rip-charlie]

Hurley's dad is Cheech, and although I am not positive, I have to assume Cheech has brown eyes


Talking about the EYE hurley saw in the cabin


well i thought about it too couldn't it be JIN's father. Sun went and say him after Jin told her that he was dead. They could have brought him to the island to confront Jin!!!!

[aZiXx]

Talking about the EYE hurley saw in the cabin


well i thought about it too couldn't it be JIN's father. Sun went and say him after Jin told her that he was dead. They could have brought him to the island to confront Jin!!!!

Well... if you look at the eye, does it look Asian? It doesn't to me...

[rip-charlie]

Well... if you look at the eye, does it look Asian? It doesn't to me...

well the skin has that tone to it...

[ben5959]

So it is safe to say that there is a good link with the Dad thing, could this have anything to do with why there cannot be any new moms on the island????

[thelawgiver]

All this leads to the conclusion that Alex should eventually kill Ben! Maybe Richard or Locke will tell her that she needs to do it.

Now, what about Mommy issues?

Claire killed her mom in a car crash
Hurley brought his mom bad luck
Locke's mom set him up for the father's con
Jack's mom-???
Kate's mom turned her in for murder and kept ID of real father from her
Shannon's real mom dead, step-mom cut her out of inheritance
Jin's mom dead and a prostitute (???)
Sawyer's mom conned by Locke's dad and killed by Sawyer's real dad
Charlie-????
Desmond-????
Ben's mom dies during child birth
Michael-???
Walt's mom takes him away from Michael and then dies
Sun's mom a nonentity given powerful father

Person with no parent issues-Juliette, Sayid

[bunnydixon]

interesting list

you could add that alex was taken from her mum who is now a little crazy
and we have ecko who was an orphan so he can go in both camps aswell

[thelawgiver]

Yes and and wasn't Locke actually put up for adoption by his birth mother. She was the one to make contact so the man from Tallehassee could swip a kidney.

[ortrules]

I guess you could make the argument for baby Aaron the Claire was going to give him up for adoption and really didn't want to be a mother.

But now I really don't think she'd ever consider giving Aaron up.

[bunnydixon]

thats true ort and as we know he end up with kate who is not his mother but he thinks she is!

[ortrules]

thats true ort and as we know he end up with kate who is not his mother but he thinks she is!

That is a great point! Regardless of how Claire feels towards Aaron at this point, for some reason Kate ends up with Aaron. The same kind of applies to Rousseau and Alex...while Rousseau didn't want to give up Alex, the fact is Alex was taken and raised as an Other.

[ben5959]

did anything ever come from Lock's mom saying that "you were immaculately concieved!!!!"? I remember seeing her say that, but i dont remember if anything came of it. If it is true, wouldnt that make him Jesus? saving the island from their sins and impetence?

[ben5959]

That is a great point! Regardless of how Claire feels towards Aaron at this point, for some reason Kate ends up with Aaron. The same kind of applies to Rousseau and Alex...while Rousseau didn't want to give up Alex, the fact is Alex was taken and raised as an Other.

Also remember that walt was taken from his Father because he was "special." Maybe the reason for him being special on the island is because he has a father who actuall loves him. This could also be why the others were initially after aaron and claire, because of her love for her baby, aaron is also special. All other family ties with the other losties are not as strong as Arron/Claires and Michael/Walt's hence making everone else not special

[beachblinkette]

If Ben's mother died giving birth to him that is also what happened to Jacob in the O.T.This is a really interesting thread about the Fathers and the Mothers. It's way too many examples not to be an important connection.Wow!

[Turnip Queen]

The dead dad thing is more obvious than the dead ma thing - the dads tend to get killed, where the mas tend to be more inclined to die of natural causes. Maybe Jacob is the dad of the island, God who knows, but it's really strange! I'd love to know what the hell is going on with Christian Shepard in Jacob's chair appearing to Hurley - are we gonna find out another flashback link? I doubt we'll have any flashbacks though, not this season anyway, it's all flashforward now. God I've just thought now, are we not gonna get any more flashbacks?

[burns20002002]

It could have more to do with the writers than the storyline. Look at all the Disney movies there are where the mothers are either dead, wicked, or not even given a name. Possibly it's because of the belief that orphans and people neglected in their youth are more sympathetic characters. It's a writing tool used in everything from the Bible to Harry Potter.