Jin Was it really a FlashBack?

[rip-charlie]

I was so upset to see that he was just taking that freaking Panda Bear to someone else and not Sun. Oh i could not even start to tell you how upset i was but i can't belive he is dead what if they tell Sun he died. The Date on his grave marker was the date of the crash. how do you know he could have forgotten everything Suns father is involed he was not happy his Daughter married him anyways!

[gannett1]

It was a flashback for Jin, and a flashforward for Sun.

The fact that the date on his gravestone was 9-22-2004 (the day of the crash) means that he is still on the island. The whole "Jin is in the cemetary, lets go visit him" is all an act.

In Eggtown, Jack tells the jury that the plane crashed in the water -- 8 people survived the landing, but 2 died early on. According to that "fake story," Jin is one of the Oceanic 8, but he "died".

If you rewatch Ji Yeon, just watch Sun talk to the gravestone. You can tell she's hiding something, and that it's killing her inside.

Sun - off island with baby.

Jin - still on the island (was not rescued). Whether he is dead or alive on the island at that time in the future, we do not know.

Hope that helps you!

[Herbal Kint]

your first sentence is right and thats about it. Now is it possibly Jin is still alive ? Sure but not because of your reasoning.

Everyone except the Oceanic 6 would have the same date on their tombstone, because the lie they told says everyone but them and 2 people died when the plane crashed. Who those 2 people are is of no significance what so ever, as the producers have said who they were is not important it just added a bit of credibility to the lie. It's much easier to believe a couple of people who survived the crash would of died for some other reasons soon after the crash and before the rescue.

As for Sun hiding something besides the entire lie of their crash/survival, your reaching. She and Hurley definitely think Jin is dead, otherwise they wouldn't bother going to the tombstone and losing it like she did, the only possible explantation for that would be to throw us off track, and while the show does love to throw us off track they don't do it in such a bold faced lie/ unreasonable way like that. Also she doesn't look like she is hiding anything she looks genuinely upset that Jin is dead and can't be with her to raise their daughter. That conversation was jacked straight out of every new mom whose husband/baby daddy died before the the child was born

It's possible Jin survived some type of ordeal but there is no way Sun knows he is alive and we definitely won't be able to speculate any further until we see Jin die or see how they get rescued.

[LostFreak21]

Jin would have had to be alive on the Island because how would Sun get pregnant? Did she leave the Island so her baby wouldn't die but planned on going back to get Jin? I think some one was watching them so they needed to look that way.

[hollie425]

yep jins dead, suns alive... so sad

[jdogg1126]

Jin would have had to be alive on the Island because how would Sun get pregnant? Did she leave the Island so her baby wouldn't die but planned on going back to get Jin? I think some one was watching them so they needed to look that way.

They could have lied & said that she got pregnant before the crash. We all know that she had to leave the island so that she & her baby wouldn't die. Maybe that was part of the deal she had to make with whoever(Charles Wildmore or Ben or someone else?) Interesting question about whether or not she plans to go back to the island to get Jin. If she does, that would lend credence to the fact that he's still alive. I'm sure we'll find out sooner or later. Probably in the 6th season when they go back to the island. But what i'm really wondering is if Jins not one of the Oceanic 6, then whos the last member? I thought we were gonna find out who the rest of the Oceanic 6 were?

[greatgodone]

sun was the sixth (they count arron) also i think jin and clair get off the island but die before they make it off the frieghter. that is why they say that 8 survived the crash. cause when the frieghter makes it to land they have six alive and 2 dead bodies. so to explain why they have 2 dead bodies they say 8 survived the crash and made it to shore. the rest sank with the plane(witch they are still saying is the planted plane and they just miscounted how many bodies they found). then 2 died later that day but since the bodies were on the island they could bring them back with them.

[jdogg1126]

sun was the sixth (they count arron) also i think jin and clair get off the island but die before they make it off the frieghter. that is why they say that 8 survived the crash. cause when the frieghter makes it to land they have six alive and 2 dead bodies. so to explain why they have 2 dead bodies they say 8 survived the crash and made it to shore. the rest sank with the plane(witch they are still saying is the planted plane and they just miscounted how many bodies they found). then 2 died later that day but since the bodies were on the island they could bring them back with them.

Ok sounds plausible. Going with that idea, maybe Clair & Jin had the same side effects as Desmond did but didn't have a constant like Desmond did so the died like Minkowski.

[ai2301]

... then 2 died later that day but since the bodies were on the island they could bring them back with them.

The freighter was not even dispatched until after the fake wreckage had been found so anyone who died during a rescue attempt (on the freighter) wouldn't have had the crash date as their date of death.
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[passenger57]

I believe it is possible that Jin is showing to be dead so that Sun and the baby can leave a normal life away from her father. The fact that the date is the same as the crash would help with that cover. I also wonder if part of the 6 to get off of the island were b/c some of the rest truly decided to stay behind. Only future shows will tell, but so many things are loose right now, Desmond and his flash forwards and flash backs, Juliet and how Ben says she is his...will he be letting her go that easy...and where the he!! is the group left from the others camp before Ben and Alex went to the tower. Also, where has that black smoke been? I think we are so far off from being able to make any "acurate" guesses, but nothing has kept me this glued to the TV since the start of the Sopranos.

[thelawgiver]

Interesting thoughts. But the whole Jin thing was a FB. He had an older cell phone and he told someone that he was only married for two months.

So what does it mean then that there is a tombstone with the DOD being the crash date?

1. Jin died before rescue and his death in the crash is part of the O6 cover-up story.

2. Jin is back, but not part of O6 and grave marker is a decoy. (Is he working covertly for Sun's dad, Ben?)

3. Jin is still alive, but being held on island.

I vote for number 1.

[ladybuggfly]

Jin is not dead. Just as they (O6) must say there are no survivoirs they must say that Jin is dead. It is obvious that people were left behind, or why is Hurly in the nut house because he is feeling guilty about leaving the rest behind. Remember Charlie said "they need your help" Charlie was trying to get Hurly to go back and get the other surviviors because they didn't want to be left on the island. So far the only ones I heard mention they don't want to leave the island is Sawyer and Locke. Everyone else can't wait to get off the island.

[gingergrant]

Hurley didn't look like he was crazy yet, do you think that it happened after the scene at the grave? Or did he get better?

[teamlost23!]

your first sentence is right and thats about it. Now is it possibly Jin is still alive ? Sure but not because of your reasoning.

Everyone except the Oceanic 6 would have the same date on their tombstone, because the lie they told says everyone but them and 2 people died when the plane crashed. Who those 2 people are is of no significance what so ever, as the producers have said who they were is not important it just added a bit of credibility to the lie. It's much easier to believe a couple of people who survived the crash would of died for some other reasons soon after the crash and before the rescue.

As for Sun hiding something besides the entire lie of their crash/survival, your reaching. She and Hurley definitely think Jin is dead, otherwise they wouldn't bother going to the tombstone and losing it like she did, the only possible explantation for that would be to throw us off track, and while the show does love to throw us off track they don't do it in such a bold faced lie/ unreasonable way like that. Also she doesn't look like she is hiding anything she looks genuinely upset that Jin is dead and can't be with her to raise their daughter. That conversation was jacked straight out of every new mom whose husband/baby daddy died before the the child was born

It's possible Jin survived some type of ordeal but there is no way Sun knows he is alive and we definitely won't be able to speculate any further until we see Jin die or see how they get rescued.




Yeah, I see what you're saying, but I definitely think that Sun looks like she is hiding something at the gravestone. First off, Sun is arguably the best liar on the Island. She lied to everyone, including Jin, about not be able to speak English, which we shockingly found out later on was a lie & she also looked Jin right in his face and said she swears she had NEVER been with another man. Which we again shockingly find out was a bold faced lie. No one expected Sun to have been unfaithful. She is very good at being sneaky. I definitely think she is hiding something and is pretending to "visit" Jin's grave for a reason. He may or may not be dead, however I personally do not feel he is. I suppose we will find out later on, only time will tell what happened to these people.

[justjoe]

We saw that she was a liar in her back story when she was a kid and lied about breaking the glass ballerina. But I think the island changed her and she is not hiding anything about Jins death.

[rip-charlie]

Hurley didn't look like he was crazy yet, do you think that it happened after the scene at the grave? Or did he get better?

see funny you say that because when that happened i said wait he is in the nut house! i hope he got better. well see that could have just been the beganing Hurley went and say Sun and baby guilt gets to him while he is there and when he gets back to the US he starts to see Charlie. i don't know just guessing i wounder if anyone else gets to see Charlie or any of the other lostiest that died