The Coffin

[unstuck.in.time]

Since this seems to come up in most threads, and I didn't see one just for it, I thought I'd make one and organize people's thoughts on it...

Who is in the coffin at the end of Season 3??

Claire- can't be, Kate already has Aaron, and Claire's funeral would have been in Australia with her Aunt

Desmond- don't think so, Penny would've most certainly showed up, Jack and Kate's reactions don't fit

Hurley- can't be, the funeral was in a poor neighborhood and no one came, with his money it would have been very nice and would have been attended by family and friends

Jin- would have been in Korea

Juliet- would have been attended by her sister and nephew, definitely a friend to Jack

Locke- possible, he has no family or friends off the island when he left, the current politics on the island could explain Jack's and maybe even Kate's reactions

Sayid- we really don't know where his flash forward fits in all of this so who knows his whereabouts at this time but he would definitely be a friend to Jack and it being in LA really doesn't make sense

Sawyer- doesn't have any family or friends pre-island that would come, but I think Jack would still consider Sawyer a friend or at the very least an ally, and I can't understand how Kate would ever not show up

Freighter/Helicopter- Charlotte/Daniel/Miles/Pilot- doesn't have enough significance yet but who knows what'll happen on the island..., the LA location doesn't make much sense, but could explain Jack and Kate's reactions

Ben- could elicit the reaction from Jack and Kate's "why would I go," but the details just don't fit

Michael- my money's on Michael, would definitely explain Jack and Kate's reactions, I think the obit said "of NYC" which fits, if he is still going by an alias it would explain the name and the fact that even previous friends would not know to show up

Walt- I haven't heard anything about the possibility of it being Walt- obviously if Michael is alive he would be there grieving but maybe something has happened to him, Walt might explain Jack's reaction and maybe Kate's as well...?

thoughts?

[kanela]

i asked the same thing and got very neg feedback

[LockeUp]

I'm almost 100% certain that it's Michael.

[lostbaby]

Well Walt was murdered said his grandma, right? So Walt made it back, or she knew he was murdered on the island???????
So if Micheal dies would Walt be there?
And maybe it someone else ????????

[unstuck.in.time]

The thing with Miles and the dead grandson had nothing to do with Walt.

[addictedtopainmeds]

Since this seems to come up in most threads, and I didn't see one just for it, I thought I'd make one and organize people's thoughts on it...

Who is in the coffin at the end of Season 3??

Claire- can't be, Kate already has Aaron, and Claire's funeral would have been in Australia with her Aunt

Desmond- don't think so, Penny would've most certainly showed up, Jack and Kate's reactions don't fit

Hurley- can't be, the funeral was in a poor neighborhood and no one came, with his money it would have been very nice and would have been attended by family and friends

Jin- would have been in Korea

Juliet- would have been attended by her sister and nephew, definitely a friend to Jack

Locke- possible, he has no family or friends off the island when he left, the current politics on the island could explain Jack's and maybe even Kate's reactions

Sayid- we really don't know where his flash forward fits in all of this so who knows his whereabouts at this time but he would definitely be a friend to Jack and it being in LA really doesn't make sense

Sawyer- doesn't have any family or friends pre-island that would come, but I think Jack would still consider Sawyer a friend or at the very least an ally, and I can't understand how Kate would ever not show up

Freighter/Helicopter- Charlotte/Daniel/Miles/Pilot- doesn't have enough significance yet but who knows what'll happen on the island..., the LA location doesn't make much sense, but could explain Jack and Kate's reactions

Ben- could elicit the reaction from Jack and Kate's "why would I go," but the details just don't fit

Michael- my money's on Michael, would definitely explain Jack and Kate's reactions, I think the obit said "of NYC" which fits, if he is still going by an alias it would explain the name and the fact that even previous friends would not know to show up

Walt- I haven't heard anything about the possibility of it being Walt- obviously if Michael is alive he would be there grieving but maybe something has happened to him, Walt might explain Jack's reaction and maybe Kate's as well...?

thoughts?


i think its juliet. here's why. the only family she has that we know of is her sister and her cancer could have come back. so her sister dies. kate doesn't want to go because, well, for obvious reasons. and the rest of the o6 doesn't show because it is found out somehow that she was working for ben the whole time. jack shows up because he had feeling for her, and maybe still does, after all, he does see the good in everyone. he didn't say she was friend or family because maybe by then she was no longer a friend

[justjoe]

Well last we saw Rachel she was raising her healthy son and Ben had cured her cancer. So I don't thnk it's her. Besides Jack knows nothing about Rachel and the newspaper article said it was a mans body that was found.

[addictedtopainmeds]

Well last we saw Rachel she was raising her healthy son and Ben had cured her cancer. So I don't thnk it's her. Besides Jack knows nothing about Rachel and the newspaper article said it was a mans body that was found.

ok, first off, you trust ben? and secondly, where in the ep did it say it was a man found?

[justjoe]

Well he did let Juliet see a healthy Rachel via video in the Flame playing with her son. In the article Jack is holding it says "man found".

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[addictedtopainmeds]

Well he did let Juliet see a healthy Rachel via video in the Flame playing with her son. In the article Jack is holding it says "man found".

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ok, i was trying to see what that piece of paper said for a while now. thanks for that. i still don't trust ben

[justjoe]

You got it. :cool:

[lostbaby]

The thing with Miles and the dead grandson had nothing to do with Walt.


huh??????? Explain pretty please. I have only watched since season 3.Thank you!;)

[XmasDVD]

It's a man from New York fist 2 letters of the name are "Jo"

[rocket4]

it is ben. he is small and so was the coffin. it can't be walt because when miles was talking to the older lady in his flash back he said "i heard about your grandsons murder". the pictures looked a lot like echo and his brother from their flash back as kids and both echo and his brother were murdered. and if the old lady was walt's grandmother then wouldn't she had come to the funeral? it has to be ben because no one showed up excipt for jack who said he was neither friend or family to ben and none of the others showed up because they hated him. he is also poor after he dies because no one else knows the combonation to his money in his secret room. he is also the right size for the coffin

[navyguy]

it is ben. he is small and so was the coffin. it can't be walt because when miles was talking to the older lady in his flash back he said "i heard about your grandsons murder". the pictures looked a lot like echo and his brother from their flash back as kids and both echo and his brother were murdered. and if the old lady was walt's grandmother then wouldn't she had come to the funeral? it has to be ben because no one showed up excipt for jack who said he was neither friend or family to ben and none of the others showed up because they hated him. he is also poor after he dies because no one else knows the combonation to his money in his secret room. he is also the right size for the coffin

Ok. one problem with the Eko/yemi theory. Given their current age the grandmother would have to be roughly in her 90's. PLUS why would he come to her about 30 years later? I really don't think the person in the picture had any significance...for the millionth time

[LOSTLOVER]

Well, my instinct would be that it's Ben because that's the person no one would want to go see and it would also fit that Jack wasn't a family member or a friend. Plus he has many alias names as seen with all his passports.

I believe someone found the full name of the man in the coffin to be John Lantham or something like that. Those initials are the same as John Locke's, which would also be someone who no one wanted to see and Jack's statement would fit for.

We've already seen that Michael's given alias (at least for now) is Kevin Johnson. So unless he is given multiple alias names like Ben has, he wouldn't be John Lantham. However, he is from New York and we also have to remember that the obituary said the man was survived by a teenage son. The only one we know of in the show with a teenage son is Michael.

So I'm not betting money on anyone for sure yet, but Michael seems most logical.

[jackchick]

I had thought the writers said it was just a newspaper of that time. Kinda like the using the prop master for "jacob" shots. We can base the newpaper as a hard fact unless it is definite that the paper info stands with the storyline.

That said the best clues are to the other character reactions/statments. I have thought that it would be Sawyer. He and Kate have a falling out. She is unwilling to breach that divide. Sawyer is nether friend or family. Jack has felt sorry for him. Maybe felt like he was to difficult with him but it's hard for me to believe Jack would turn to suicide at that moment, after reading the orbit again. Sawyer does have alias as well.

I do think it's possible Kate's "he'll be missing me" could be because Ben is in charge of her. But I think it's plausable that Ben's in the coffin. Ben is the key to getting back to the island. That is such a driving force that Jack is addicted to meds, drinking heavily and flys around each weekend hoping to get back. Don't know why. He was drinking when Hurley went on the run from the cops but still seem to have his practice. Same thing with the court scene, he doesn't seem as off his rocker at that time. His weeping while holding the ad in the car transends just a "sad" because my neither friend nor family member died. It's the final straw if you will. Jack is willing to die, but maybe the island won't let him.

[wvugurl]

I have thought Michael til the Meet Kevin Johnson episode..When he told Michael that the island is through with you and you cannot die etc and they knew what he had been doing...I think the 06 are haunted by the island (meaning Ben) and Jack went to make sure he is dead...He wanted to make sure so the island will be through with him and he now knows there is no way for him to make it back to the rest that did not make it off the island..

[lostlindy]

I say Micheal! ;)

[LostFreak21]

It kinda can't be Ben first of all he doesn't have a son.
Could be Michael because Walt wants nothing to do with him but things could have changed. Michael would have to be back from the freighter.
John-does he have a son? I don't think so.
Sawyer-no son kinda the wrong place to have a funeral for him.
maybe a new character we haven't really met yet and so it gets everyone to talk?

[Missie]

Ive been thinking Locke for awhile now but it could be Micheal. I could see Ben to... it would explain why Jack was so upset... he cant back on the island without Ben

[Existentialist]

New York City could be the key. Does anyone remember any other character who is from New York City? What comes to mind is the guy in the luxury apartment who sets Michael up with his freighter mission, (can't remember his name). Didn't he come back from the dead? But it is difficult to tell if this is real or an illusion (like everything, LOL).

[justjoe]

Tom is the guy you're thinking of and he died on the island. As far as the size of the coffin is concerend, the writers have stated that it is a normal sized coffin. The article in the newspaper is accurate. The debate is on what date the article appeared in the paper. Some people are using the model of a paper from L.A. on April 5th 2007 as the one used in Through the Looking Glass.

[lockeintomyeyes]

My thoughts on the place the coffin was at. So did the person die in NY and the coffin is in Cal.? The location is a funny spot. Could it end up being Abaddon? Maybe he is a good person and further down the road we will find this out.

[justjoe]

The person is from NY but died in Cali.

[lockeintomyeyes]

Does anyone else think Abaddon might be someone good? What if he is linked to someone on the island? No he probably wouldn't get that much recognition from Jack and Kate.
The Abaddon thing I guess would be for a different post.