Could this be Jacob?

[Dzbabykel]

Could this new actor be Jacob?? What do you think?

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[Ezekiel 25:17]

I just commented on this same pic in another thread LOL. Yeah I think its Jacob, thats Jeff Fahey right, they won't state his role so I figure its him, plus hes old, got a beard, and does bear a resemblance to "Jacob" so I give it a thumbs up.:D

[Dzbabykel]

Haha yeah I thought I'd repost this in here to see what other people thought. Based on what you said about the Ben interview, I think this Jeff Fahey guy is our Jacob, but that was def Christian Shepard in the chair Hurley saw no doubt. That doesn't mean HE'S Jacob though....maybe it was Jeff Fahey's eye we saw??

Also: Producers have said in an interview that they couldn't comment on the role Jeff Fahey would be playing, but that he "was the first and only choice for the role". Hmmm sounds like Jacob to me :)

[aZiXx]

In another thread there was a link to a spoiler site... DarkUFO or something.

On there, it was said that this character was an economist and he would show up in S04E03. If my memory recollection is accurate that is what I read. Is he Jacob? The flash with Ben and Locke showed him, Hurley saw Christian. If I had to pick between the two I would go for the Ben/Locke scene.

[bunnydixon]

looks like it from those shots.

[pantags]

that isnt jeff fahey though

[bunnydixon]

well tv.com says jeff fahey will be playing frank lapidus whoever the hell that is!

i think that pic could be him though.

[lostforawhile]

Its weird, but in this pic the new guy resembles Tom..... I think jeff fahey was in the lawnmower man, a stephen king flick

[aZiXx]

that isnt jeff fahey though

I wuold have to agree on it not being Fahey, doesn't look like him: http://www.thespiannet.com/actors/F/fahey_jeff/jeff_fahey.shtml

[Dzbabykel]

Yah after seeing more pics of Fahey, that pic doesn't look like him much....but I still think he could potentially play the role of Jacob with his longer hair and beard and all. Possibly :)

[pantags]

Its weird, but in this pic the new guy resembles Tom..... I think jeff fahey was in the lawnmower man, a stephen king flick

YES great movie

[pernickety]

Looks like Locke with a wig on to me???

[hollie425]

haha. im thinkin its jin though! i mean.. come on, the resemblence!! the fat ness

[sidaco2001]

I actually do think that Christian Shepard is Jacob. Not 100% but hear me out. We saw Christian sitting in Jacobs chair. The eye that peaked through the window appears to be Locke which would make sense because of his connection he has with Jacob. Plus if Hurley can see a dead Charlie that would lead me to believe he's special so maybe Jacob revealed himself to Hurley. I don't know but that's what I was able to gather so far from the 1st episode of season 4.

[aZiXx]

Why the eye is not Locke:
-appears to be hair tucked behind the ear, dark, long
-insufficient wrinkles around the eyes for Terry O'Quinn
-eye color

I have to admit the wrinkles and eye color can differ with focus, lighting etc, but I think they are strong points. The best is the hair. Roger or Mikhail is best bets for long haired people.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Locke wasn't in any of those shots when Hurley found Jacob's place. Guys lets all be honest with ourselves, we're never going to figure this Jacob thing out unless we understand the Bible and what happened between God and Jacob, so if there are any people with significant Biblical knowledge in the audience, would you please come forward. PLEASE!! We need you, As Jacob needed his 12 sons. HELP! We're LOST

[lost_in_lost]

It does look like Jacob...wonder when they r gonna throw more light on him?

[Dzbabykel]

This what I read regarding God and Jacob (PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong haha I am not a biblical scholar by ANY means!)

According to Malachi 1:3 and Romans 9:13, God loved Jacob, but hated Esau. I think its important to note that Jacob was the twin brother of Esau. The meaning of "Esau" refers to the Edomites, who were the descendants of Esau. Isaac and Rebekah had two sons, Esau and Jacob. God chose Jacob (whom he later renamed Israel) to be the FATHER of His chosen people, the Israelites. Hundreds of years after Jacob and Esau had died, the Israelites and Edomites became bitter enemies. Not sure if this is important but the text also claims that Jacob was favored by his mother while Esau was favored by his father.

Another interesting point I read is this (I'm going to do my best to summarize):
When Jacob and Esau's father was much older and blind, he wanted to bless Esau before he died (remember his father favored him more). Well their mother hearing this decided to disguise Jacob as Esau so that their father would bless him instead of Esau. So Jacob lied to his father and his father blessed him while he was disguised. Later Esau found out and received a lesser blessing than his brother, so he swore to himself that he would kill Jacob in revenge as soon as his father was dead.

Jacob in fear of his brother left home and this is when he has the vision of the ladder ascending to heaven. Jacob feared that his children would never be free of Esau's domination, but God assured him that they would.

One thing it shows Jacob saying in the bible is "I have seen God face to face and lived"....didn't Locke say that about smoky or something?

Also, Jacob's wife Rachel died after going into labor with her son Benjamin....hmm sound familiar?? :) Benjamin was Jacob's 12th son

Joseph was Jacob's favorite son apparently in the bible and was known as the "interpreter of dreams".....after reading about Joseph I see some parallels with Locke, perhaps Locke represents Josheph (Jacob's favored son) and thats why Ben is jealous??

And last but not least (sorry this is so insanely long) Joseph got separated from his father for 20 years by his brothers who were jealous of him. Jacob grieved over the loss of his favorite son and refused to be comforted. Then Joseph was made viceroy over Egypt and his brothers ran into him. They didn't recognize him because it had been 20 years but Joseph recognized them and demanded to see Benjamin, which was his own full-brother (hmmm?). As a way of making sure his brother's would return, Joseph took Simeon as a hostage until they returned with Ben. They were all reunited and Joseph was able to reveal himself to all his brothers.

One last note...Benjamin and Joseph were the only 2 sons from Jacobs one and only true love Rachel...the other brothers were from another marriage that he did not favor.

SOOO sorry for the insanely long bible stuff but I was reading about Jacob's story and I found sooooo many parallels I couldn't stop typing! Sorry if its all jumbled and doesn't make much sense....but if u CAN make any sense out of it let me know :)

[Ezekiel 25:17]

I just Knew it!! There are alot of connections between Lost and the Bible. The whole favor son thing fits, especilly since his youngest son was Benjamin. So if Locke's like Joseph, he will be disbanned from the group somehow or someway and then become like, ruler of the island, interesting, and then he will ask Jack and them to bring ben or somthing like that. Interesting, see, if we just look there are more connections than we want to belive.

[missjulie]

I made a post about Jacob and Benjamin in the bible a while ago, but it seems to have gotten buried ):

But I found mostly the same info as Dzbabykel. Interesting... veeryyy interesting.

As for who Jacob is... read this...

"Rob Kyker is the property master, also known as "prop master", for the production crew of Lost. He is credited as "Rob Kyker" in Lost...

Kyker is featured in the DVD extra "Lost In A Day" in Lost: The Complete Third Season (DVD)...

He also played the appearance of Jacob in "The Man Behind the Curtain", while the voice was provided by Carlton Cuse.


http://en.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rob_Kyker

[Dzbabykel]

The other thing I was thinking along with Locke having similarities with Joseph (Jacob's son), that as Joseph had been banished for over 20 years by his brothers (esp Ben because he was jealous) Joseph returns and they don't recognize him at first. Maybe Locke has been on the island before and now is returning? Ben obviously seems jealous of Locke being able to see Jacob and that Jacob asked Locke for help so Ben shot Locke. I'm going to do some more digging and see if there is anymore to the story...but makes a really interesting point.

Also, in the bible Jacob and Esau were twins where Jacob was considered the "good twin" and Esau was the "bad twin" so to speak.....sound familiar?? I'm referring to the book that is associated with Lost "The Bad Twin"....just another thought I had :)

[Dzbabykel]

Ok so one more point regarding Jacob in the bible and fertility (sorry I'm posting so much haha) but according to the bible...the woman Jacob was so in love with was Rachel, but her sister Leah disguised herself and married Jacob. Jacob later found out he had been decieved and was upset because he didn't love Leah but Leah basically told him that "what goes around comes around" since he had decieved his father and stole his brother Esau's blessing. So Jacob loved Rachel and disliked Leah so God wanted to make Leah look better to Jacob (so to speak) so he gave Leah children but made Rachel infertile. Finally, Rachel gave birth to Joseph (Jacob's favorite son) and Benjamin (the last of the 12 sons) but Rachel died when giving birth to Ben.

So yah I thought it was intersting Jacob's wife could not conceive in comparison to how the women on the island can't and also die when giving birth. Any thoughts?

**ALSO: Jacob was not considered a "nice guy" in the bible yet God still chose him to be the leader of the Israelites and loved him most. Not sure if this holds any significance but I found it interesting.

[1hourisntlongenough]

very interesting.....and kinda creepy! :eek:

I don't know too much about the bible, but find the connection between it and Lost too similar to be coincidental. Definitely a relationship there.

***Anyone with biblical knowledge, start typing!!! :D

[missjulie]

There's a Naomi in the bible. Her husband and both sons die, but her daughter-in-law, Ruth, stays with her and accompanies her back to Judea (they lived in Moab before). Ruth is an ancestor of King David and Jesus Christ.

If her sisters name is Ruth (if there even IS a sister) I will be curious to see how her storyline plays out.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

yeah good point dz, the last thing u said about how Rachel died when Benjamin was born, just Like the Lost Ben, and about how women cannot concieve on the island, this is pretty deep, very educational, I never thought i'd be skimming through the Bible for lost pieces, guess I was wrong.

[Dzbabykel]

yeah good point dz, the last thing u said about how Rachel died when Benjamin was born, just Like the Lost Ben, and about how women cannot concieve on the island, this is pretty deep, very educational, I never thought i'd be skimming through the Bible for lost pieces, guess I was wrong.

I know same here, hahaha after reading all up on Jacob and his sons and everything I felt like I had just done a bible study! Not a bad thing but its funny how much reading I was doing just to understand Lost better lol :)

[hollie425]

haha i feel ya!

[aZiXx]

Good mention of the death of Rachel.

In the Bible there are several motifs reused to emphasize the power of the divine and the need for humanity to follow divine will, and not humans own will. God being divine in the stories, would grant barren women the gift of being able to conceive a child, either in his name or by God himself. I don't feel like looking up all the names on the women this happens to, but I think Rachel is on, and the other wife that she shares with her husband, and Mary, and I know there are more.

And for Jacob/Esau. Jacob stole Esau's birthright of being the first born son to inherit the family lineage by dressing up like Esau and tricking the dying father, if memory serves.

[Dzbabykel]

Yep thats right, and Jacob and Esau were also twins.

[Oceanic Stewardess]

I was just watching Podcast 405 and they showed the Prop Master and some new things he is working on. As soon as I saw him I thought he looked just like Jacob. I was searching the forums to see if anyone else noticed and it seems this is the only thread that mentions it. I took 2 screen shots. It looks just like Jacob to me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/doobala/jacobside.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/doobala/jacobfront.jpg

[justjoe]

Looks more like Jacob than Jeff Fahey.

[ortrules]

The creators of the show have commented on how Jacob was played by the prop guy. They haven't (still haven't?) cast the role of Jacob so they've been using a stand in - the prop guy.

[justjoe]

That would explain the similarities. So maybe it can still be Frank that is really Jacob. He resembles him enough to pull it off.

[agmic]

well tv.com says jeff fahey will be playing frank lapidus whoever the hell that is!

i think that pic could be him though.

He is the helicopter pilot....

[jackchick]

Jacob's name means "trickster" it was later changed to Israel by God. I don't think the Lost writers are using much Biblical theology as they are from other sources. It's probably another "try this twist Lost fans!" The only question I would have is "God loves you even as He loved Jacob." If Jacob changes form i.e. Vincent, Walt, Dave, Christian then it's all random. I still fail to see the reverence Ben has for Jacob. And other times it's about the island as if these were interchangeable/as one.

[Jasonater]

Good mention of the death of Rachel.

In the Bible there are several motifs reused to emphasize the power of the divine and the need for humanity to follow divine will, and not humans own will. God being divine in the stories, would grant barren women the gift of being able to conceive a child, either in his name or by God himself. I don't feel like looking up all the names on the women this happens to, but I think Rachel is on, and the other wife that she shares with her husband, and Mary, and I know there are more.

And for Jacob/Esau. Jacob stole Esau's birthright of being the first born son to inherit the family lineage by dressing up like Esau and tricking the dying father, if memory serves.

There is a rachael in the looking glass.

[Jasonater]

I was just watching Podcast 405 and they showed the Prop Master and some new things he is working on. As soon as I saw him I thought he looked just like Jacob. I was searching the forums to see if anyone else noticed and it seems this is the only thread that mentions it. I took 2 screen shots. It looks just like Jacob to me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/doobala/jacobside.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/doobala/jacobfront.jpg

The prop guy is defanitley Jacob in the scene where locke see's him. But I think that Jacob takes the form of different people. I think that is the last time they use him for Jacob.

[though2544]

I thought the same thing when I saw that guy. He was on the Season 3 DVD in one of the special features. The forehead gave it away.

[justjoe]

That's not a forehead. That's a fivehead.

[heavensprincess]

The prop guy is defanitley Jacob in the scene where locke see's him. But I think that Jacob takes the form of different people. I think that is the last time they use him for Jacob.

Yeah I agree that has to be the guy who is Jacob in the scene with Locke

[Lostfan1]

Christian Shepared was in Jacobs chair when Hurly sees the cabin.
Maby Jacob is a spirit of some kind and needs a body to "manafest" from

or if thats too supernatural for you...

In the FF of season 3 Christian is alive...he was dead before the crash.
Jacob could have brought Christian back to life somehow. He could be living in Jacobs cabin. (This could be how Claire and Jack find out they are related):eek:

[1hourisntlongenough]

That's not a forehead. That's a fivehead.

OMG...I'm sorry, but that's hilarious!!!!! Lmao!!!!!!!!:D

[legendaryzero]

Christian Shepared was in Jacobs chair when Hurly sees the cabin.
Maby Jacob is a spirit of some kind and needs a body to "manafest" from

or if thats too supernatural for you...

In the FF of season 3 Christian is alive...he was dead before the crash.
Jacob could have brought Christian back to life somehow. He could be living in Jacobs cabin. (This could be how Claire and Jack find out they are related):eek:


I highly doubt that Christian is still alive, especially through the flash forward. That scene was there to throw the audience off to believe that it was a flash back... make sense? That made the reveal of it being a flash forward that much more unexpected and helped turn it into that "wow" moment it really was.

[legendaryzero]

I agree he's dead, but the thing is that they took the time to insert those shots of someone sitting in the chair, and both times it was someone new. There has to be something to that concept, and I'm with everyone that says Jacob is a shapeshifter and takes on the identities of different people. Has anyone considered Walt speaking to John in season 3 to be Jacob?

[legendaryzero]

Haha..That was funny... As long as he has super jesus powers, then I believe you.

[lostfan11]

where did u find that and wow that does look just like jacob but isn't jacob supposed to christen shephard