The Island is alive : VALIS

[pifkel]

In two seperate episodes the book VALIS was given by Locke to Ben who had already read it. So my theory is that this was a clue by the writers to the fact that the island is actually alive and all the weird things that happen (the monster, the vanishing hut, apparitions, mysterious healing powers etc ) are manifestations created by the island. VALIS was written by Phillip K. Dick and stands for Vast Active Living Intelligence System. It explains why the island is coveted, sought after, fought over by the various factions (Whitmore, the Others), studied (by the Karma Initiative) and its location protected by a self generated kind of Bermuda triangle. Now we learn in the latest episode the Island will not let people die (who have left it - namely Michael). It all fits except for Jin being dead. Unless he died on the island and his body taken away. The six who left the island alive would then be Jack, Kate, Hurley , Sun, Sayid and Desmond (plus Jins body).
Anyone like this theory?

[addictedtolost]

I Like This Theory, And Its A New One To Me. Makes A Lot Of Sense. Maybe The Island Is An Alien Being. And As There Are 2 Islands Maybe 2 Aliens? What Bugs Me At The Moment Is Why The Others Who Joined The Castaways Dont Talk About What Their Work Was. Remember They Work On The Alcatraz Island And Live On The Main Island. What Were They Working On? Apart From A Runway. I Kinda Think If People Communicated More Everyone Would Be A Lot Better Off. Including The Viewers.

[Glenn2000]

This may be a possibility. The book has been shown twice now.

Although it is really out of the box thinking, it is plausible - which is what the producers said would be the actual causes for all the strange goings on on the island.

The island could always have had the strong magnetic field and some sort of time shift because of that.

In the 1950's the US, Great Britain and France all started testing atomic weapons in the south pacific. Maybe the effects of the atomic testing flipped the switch to make the island sentient.

Good Theory.

[lilsev42]

I like this theory,I am not sure if it has anything to do with nuclear testing,it has been there alot longer than that.He gave him the book once,but he was reading it in 2 differenr episodes.Thanks for the theory ,guess I am going to rent valis and read it.

[chester]

The island as some kind of synchronistic lifeform? I'd love to hear more.....

[Captain67]

I too Like this Idea. Just How do you describe Alive?

The Island is a Machine? that can be programmable? maybe Alien stuff.

The Island as a hunk a dirt has a Brain...? na

The Island has an OZ? is my thought..

The Island was made by the Gods? Controlled by Zeus? this would be a stretch.


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Which comes first the chicken or the egg..

[chester]

What's an OZ?

By the way, the egg came first. A proto-chicken lays an egg, a chicken pops out...

[Amp]

In two seperate episodes the book VALIS was given by Locke to Ben who had already read it. So my theory is that this was a clue by the writers to the fact that the island is actually alive and all the weird things that happen (the monster, the vanishing hut, apparitions, mysterious healing powers etc ) are manifestations created by the island. VALIS was written by Phillip K. Dick and stands for Vast Active Living Intelligence System. It explains why the island is coveted, sought after, fought over by the various factions (Whitmore, the Others), studied (by the Karma Initiative) and its location protected by a self generated kind of Bermuda triangle. Now we learn in the latest episode the Island will not let people die (who have left it - namely Michael). It all fits except for Jin being dead. Unless he died on the island and his body taken away. The six who left the island alive would then be Jack, Kate, Hurley , Sun, Sayid and Desmond (plus Jins body).
Anyone like this theory?
studied (by the Karma Initiative) and its location protected by a self generated kind of Bermuda triangle.
(by the Karma Initiative)

Karma Initiative

Best. Typo. Ever.

[LissaMarie]

What's an OZ?

Well, you wouldn't have to ask that question if you watched the movie like the rest of the human race! :rolleyes::D

[chester]

Ah Oz. As in the Wiz of!?

But wasn't that all just a joke. The Wiz was just some dude?

[LissaMarie]

Ah Oz. As in the Wiz of!?

But wasn't that all just a joke. The Wiz was just some dude?

As hesitant as I am to answer any questions about this movie for you :p I think Cap'n meant the magical land of Oz. Then again, he might have been referring to the wizard. The island just might be controlled by "some dude", right? Or maybe the island is the wizard! :eek:

But a joke?! Pfft!

:D

[chester]

As hesitant as I am to answer any questions about this movie for you :p I think Cap'n meant the magical land of Oz. Then again, he might have been referring to the wizard. The island just might be controlled by "some dude", right? Or maybe the island is the wizard! :eek:

But a joke?! Pfft!

:D

So what was "magical" about Oz?

[LissaMarie]

So what was "magical" about Oz?

Ugh! Just watch the ding dang movie, will ya? I promise it won't hurt, Chester. :D

[chester]

Ugh! Just watch the ding dang movie, will ya? I promise it won't hurt, Chester. :D

I have seen it. But what does it mean without all the singing and dancing? Wasn't the Wiz a fraud who just made himself out to be all magical and powerful? Didn't the lion, the tin man, and the scarecrow come to realise that the things they thought they were lacking were hidden within themselves; that they didn't need a magician, they need a psychologist or something? What was magical about 'the land of Oz'?:confused:

[LissaMarie]

LOL....nice avi, Chester! That must be the famed flying spaghetti monster I learned about in Philosophy class, eh? Smarty pants... :D

Aside from the obvious things (IE: Munchkins, witches, hostile apple trees, ruby slippers, flying monkeys & horses of another color) I think your perception is one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it would be to see that Oz was a magical place where Dorothy was able to learn the lesson she needed to learn the most; (with the help of characters who represented people from her real life) or you could say that she was able to consciously evolve due to her experiences in Oz. While it seemed to be a curse that she was stuck in another world, it was what taught her to appreciate her life because there really is no place like home. I think that's the real magic.

[chester]

LOL....nice avi, Chester! That must be the famed flying spaghetti monster I learned about in Philosophy class, eh? Smarty pants... :D

Aside from the obvious things (IE: Munchkins, witches, hostile apple trees, ruby slippers, flying monkeys & horses of another color) I think your perception is one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it would be to see that Oz was a magical place where Dorothy was able to learn the lesson she needed to learn the most; (with the help of characters who represented people from her real life) or you could say that she was able to consciously evolve due to her experiences in Oz. While it seemed to be a curse that she was stuck in another world, it was what taught her to appreciate her life because there really is no place like home. I think that's the real magic.

Thankyou. :)

Well then, I agree with with Cap'n; it does seem as if the island is some kind of Oz. Is Oz some kind of life-form though?

[LissaMarie]

Hey Captain! Chester has a question for youuuuu!! :)

Yeah, I really think that's a good question and just another to add to the list of things I hope we'll know come May.

[chester]

Maybe the island, like Oz, is not only a place for consciousness evolution, eg., the story of our Losties and the intention of Jacob, but also a safe-haven for those already enlightened, eg the Others and the intention of Blackshirtman?

[LissaMarie]

Maybe the island, like Oz, is not only a place for consciousness evolution, eg., the story of our Losties and the intention of Jacob, but also a safe-haven for those already enlightened, eg the Others and the intention of Blackshirtman?

Yes, I gathered you were thinking along those lines. I think that seems like a possibiity, although it doesn't sit right with me that Blackshirtman's cynicism could be considered enlightened.

[Captain67]

im here. I forgot about this post.


oZ,(Island) I used because there was a man behind the cutain. Instead of a real steam blowing animated mass of metal. someone hidden behind the scene calling the shots.

Let's hope they(losties) dont all walk up in Kansas

[LissaMarie]

Ah ha! The wizard and man behind the curtain. I wonder if we'll get a glimpse of Alvar Hanso in the final season?

[chester]

LOL....nice avi, Chester! That must be the famed flying spaghetti monster I learned about in Philosophy class, eh? Smarty pants... :D

Before someone went back in time and changed things, so it ended up God was an old-man human-type creature, it was generally believed that God was in fact a flying bit of spaghetti and meatballs, or to scare kids into doing what they were told he was sometimes referred to as you said, the flying spaghetti monster.

So this (my avi at the time of posting this) is what was actually painted on the Cistine Chapel ceiling, and someone managed to bring a photo of it over from that other reality to this one. :D

[LissaMarie]

Hmmmmmm. So Michaelangelo originally painted a flying spaghetti monster on the Sistine Chapel, huh? I'm not so sure about that theory Chester but I do like the "touched by his noodly appendage" bit!

[chester]

He did once upon a now. Or maybe it's from the history of a future now....

There was (or is yet to be), I'm told, an ongoing debate about whether His noodly appendages are ...'trimmed', or not, too...:D

[LissaMarie]

He did once upon a now. Or maybe it's from the history of a future now....

There was (or is yet to be), I'm told, an ongoing debate about whether His noodly appendages are ...'trimmed', or not, too...:D

Hahaha. Is the flying spaghetti monster circumcised or uncircumcised? Now THAT is an interesting question I never thought I would ask!

[Dzbabykel]

There are a TON of OZ references in Lost, I'm telling you...the show is bloody brilliant :D

[orsonkidd]

Valis is a great book.....Philip K. Dick is one of the best Sci Fi writers ever (along w/ Harlan Ellison)

Although tbh, the "Alien" abduction theme that runs through Dicks work is something I hope never finds it's way into Lost.

[Dzbabykel]

Valis is a great book.....Philip K. Dick is one of the best Sci Fi writers ever (along w/ Harlan Ellison)

Although tbh, the "Alien" abduction theme that runs through Dicks work is something I hope never finds it's way into Lost.

I TOTALLY agree with that, I would stop watching all together if that ended up being the case.

[chester]

Meh, people were saying that about time travel too.

I think they have more than proved themselves capable of being able to tell whatever story they think best, in a way that audiences who would not normally enjoy a particular theme, do. So I think if they take on "aliens", I'm sure it will be done...LOST-like. Which is good enough for me.