Richard Abbadon

[LostandFound]

Was just digging around, trying to satisfy my lost cravings and found this translation of Abaddon, as in Richard Abaddon. Thought it was kinda of interesting.....


Abaddon:
In medieval myth the synonym for Hell and/or the ruler thereof, and in Revelations 9:7-11 it is the Christian angel of Hell. The Hebrew word abaddon means "place of destruction" (Job 26:8 and Psalm 88:11). Prior to its corruption by the Judeo-Christian tradition, "Abaddon" referred to the pit or cave that was used in mystery religions and schools as a rite of passage into the greater mysteries. Often, the experience would entail the use of ritual substances that put the aspirant into an altered state in which he or she could receive divine revelation. Because the experience was sometimes unpleasant, this rite came to be viewed as being "hellish." However, it was considered absolutely necessary so that the seeker may become pure enough to encounter the "mind of God."

Abaddon (Hebrew אבדון Avaddon, meaning "destruction"). In Biblical poetry (Job 26:6; Proverbs 15:11), it comes to mean "place of destruction", or the realm of the dead, and is associated with Sheol. Abaddon is also one of the compartments of Gehenna. By extension, it can mean an underworld abode of lost souls, or hell.

[ortrules]

Isn't he Richard Alpert or something like that?

I think Abbadon is the scary black guy that visited Hurley in the mental institution.

[navyguy]

Yes Richard Alpert is our unaging man on the island and MATTHEW Abaddon is the scary looking black man that is working for Widmore.

[LostandFound]

Ooops! You are correct, it is Matthew Abaddon, my bad!

[ortrules]

Either way, it is very interesting about the origins of his name.

[agmic]

if you would go through more than half the names on the show, you would be able to figure something out about all of them....

[bunnydixon]

yes names definitely have hidden meanings or are related to something or other to do with lost.

[lockeintomyeyes]

I think Abaddon is going to be related to someone on the island. I think Hurley found out something about the same person that Abaddon hired the three people to look for. When Hurley told Jack he should have went with him it makes me think it has to do with what Abaddon was there to find out.

[agmic]

wasn't the three people looking for Ben ?

[notsolost42]

Okay, here I go again...
Alvar Hanso, The Hanso Foundation: The "good guys" and it's subsidiary companies including Dharma Industries, etc. and all related characters. The "good guys" were experimenting with new sciences relating to aging, electromagnatism, etc. as the old Hanso Foundation website showed. From that old website, Persephone (one who played will know) was a"spy" and she is believed to really be Pennelope Widmore. I think she is a double agent type person. They control a great deal of wealth in the world. I think that Jacob is the manifestation of good. Jacob is the leader and controls Ben.
Charles Widmore, Widmore Industries: The "bad guys" and it's subsidiary companies and people including Matthew Abaddon. I did some checking on what Abaddon means. Abaddon can mean both good and evil. But, in this case, I believe Abaddon is evil...very evil. Abaddon was the devil himself in the Biblical Antiquities of Philo. I believe that Abaddon the person, is a manifestation of the black smoke. I believe the black smoke is a "spirit catcher" collecting souls. That is why only Mr. Echo and John Locke have seen it. They are/were both very spiritual. I believe that Abaddon has come to take back the Oceanic 6 either to their true destiny, death, or back to the island. My guess is that you will begin to see Matthew Abaddon contacting the rest of the Oceanic 6 in upcoming episodes. Mr. Abaddon is leading the freighter people on behalf of Charles Widmore. They want the island for the power it contains, what the Dharma researchers experimented with; time travel, aging, healing, etc. I think that the statue of the four-toed sandle wearing foot and the polar bear skeleton found in the middle east are connected. The statue is possibly the remains of a famous colossus statue in Egypt. The statue is missing its legs from the knees down. I can't think of the name at this moment. Perhaps there was a problem when Dharma experimented with time travel, some sort of switch or desturbance in the balance of time and power. Perhaps that was how Abaddon was unleashed. "Only time will tell."
The original occupants of the island, the Others, I believe were shipwrecked on the island from the Black Rock. I believe that the island has slowed down the aging process.
Somehow, I think that Paik Heavy Industries, Sun and Jin and their daughter will begin to play a larger role in the upcoming seasons. I think that Paik Heavy Industries will be the major third player in what will transpire. As to Claire's baby Aaron and Sun and Jin's baby Ji Yeon, maybe they are the new beginning.
There are a lot of "red herrings" thrown in the show to take people down paths that dead end and confuse. The writers are masters of this. Check all clues but be aware of it. One last thing, I read somewhere the the final show of the series in a few years will actually end with a "question mark" in true JJ Abrams style. So, we will never actually have any real ending or closure of the series. Okay, I put it out there. Please comment on my thoughts. Thanks for listening folks.

[ortrules]

Okay, here I go again...
Alvar Hanso, The Hanso Foundation: The "good guys" and it's subsidiary companies including Dharma Industries, etc. and all related characters. The "good guys" were experimenting with new sciences relating to aging, electromagnatism, etc. as the old Hanso Foundation website showed. From that old website, Persephone (one who played will know) was a"spy" and she is believed to really be Pennelope Widmore. I think she is a double agent type person. They control a great deal of wealth in the world. I think that Jacob is the manifestation of good. Jacob is the leader and controls Ben
Ok. So if Dharma is the good guys, then why did Ben and the Others wipe them out? And if Jacob is the manifestation of good, why did he let it happen?

[ortrules]

One last thing, I read somewhere the the final show of the series in a few years will actually end with a "question mark" in true JJ Abrams style. So, we will never actually have any real ending or closure of the series.

Oh, and I really hope that's not true. In my opinion, that is the demise of so many great shows and it's such a cop out.

[notsolost42]

I think Ben is phsycotic but on the same team as the "good guys." They all have their own agenda. Ben was an angry child...he grew up into an angry man. He killed his father and then the people that kept him there, aka Dharma Initiative. Just because Jacob is good doesn't mean he can stop the bad from happening. I really do see a battle between Jacob and Matthew Abaddon some time in the future. But then again, who really knows?

[notsolost42]

Oh, one last thing. Did anyone see the movie Cloverfield? I did not but my daughter saw it multiple times. It is related to Lost. The Dharma logo shows up in it and they talk about a freighter. It ended with a question mark. Yes, agreed it would be a cop out but it would also leave the door open for the future of Lost on television.

[bunnydixon]

not seen the second half of it but is it actually related or are those just little in jokes?

[My3kGT]

Just about everything you said makes sense. The only hole seems to be how people age on the island. If you believe the Others arrived on the Black Rock then they would be about 200 years old, but have never (or slowly aged). However, Alex grew up on ths island and seems to be aging normally for (I believe she is) a 16 year old. Ben too grew up on the island and seems to have gone from child to adult. So why one and not the other?

[notsolost42]

The colossus statue is Colossus of Ramses II by the way. If you look, you can find a few photos to see it's missing its feet. Not sure if it had four toes though! Anyway, like I said, I did not personally see the movie, Cloverfield. Only JJ knows for sure...jokes or not! By the way to Ortrules, regarding the Others. They have always been described as the original inhabitants of the island. I strongly feel they are from the Black Rock. Maybe the helped Ben because he is no-good, like they would be if they are, as I think pirates! Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[notsolost42]

They, the Others, came to the island through the space time rip, maybe during a strong storm or hurricane at sea. Maybe that's how it slows aging. Alex and Ben did not come that way but by conventional means. It could also account for the medical powers of the island. I think that our survivors came through that rip when the plane went down. At least, the front section of the plane. Maybe not the back section. Hasn't everyone except Rose's husband died that was in the back section. I think that Des came through the rip when he was ship wrecked (or actually sent on that route by Charles Widmore - he wanted to get rid of him 'cause he didn't think he was good enough for his daughter!) Anyway, just like all others, it is but a theory. Thought I would throw it out there.

[Snape]

To Notsolost:

You say only Locke and Eko saw the smoke monster - and that is very very far from true. Charlie also witnessed it with Eko, not to mention Jack and Kate when they saved Locke from it at the end of Season 1. Also, Kate saw it with Juliet when they locked it out of the Barracks with the sonic fence.

[notsolost42]

Echo and Locke stared into the black smoke. I can't say that everyone else did, too. Mr. Echo stared it down as a matter of fact. In that scene, you could see that the black smoke was made up of something else. As for when Jack and Kate were chasing Locke when the smoke had him by the leg, they only saw that extension of it - not its entirety.

[ortrules]

Didn't the smoke monster come face to face with Juliet and Kate when they were tied together?

[ortrules]

Oh, one last thing. Did anyone see the movie Cloverfield? I did not but my daughter saw it multiple times. It is related to Lost. The Dharma logo shows up in it and they talk about a freighter. It ended with a question mark. Yes, agreed it would be a cop out but it would also leave the door open for the future of Lost on television.
I think the Dharma logo and mention of a freighter are just little inside jokes between JJ and Lost fans - much like how Alias mentioned Oceanic Flight 815 in an episode (Another JJ show).

I don't think they want to leave the door open for future Lost episodes. It seems to be that they've always been very intent on telling the complete story - hence them signing a deal that definitively ends the show after season 6.

[ChristiK]

Didn't the smoke monster come face to face with Juliet and Kate when they were tied together?
Yes. I think it did twice actually. It came at them when they were tied together. They hid in a tree and ended up sleeping there for the night. It came after them again when they left the tree the next day.

[ChristiK]

There were two blurbs about Abaddon during the enhanced episode last night.

The blurb at the bottom of the screen during the Naomi/Abbadon scene said:

Naomi is getting her orders... from Matthew Abaddon... Abaddon is a biblical reference... meaning "guardian of the abyss."

Then later in that same scene, another blurb said:

As was revealed in a flash forward... Abaddon is the man... who will visit Hurley and ask... "Are they still alive?"

[agmic]

There were two blurbs about Abaddon during the enhanced episode last night.

The blurb at the bottom of the screen during the Naomi/Abbadon scene said:

Naomi is getting her orders... from Matthew Abaddon... Abaddon is a biblical reference... meaning "guardian of the abyss."

Then later in that same scene, another blurb said:

As was revealed in a flash forward... Abaddon is the man... who will visit Hurley and ask... "Are they still alive?"

yep, your correct.

[notsolost42]

But they did not stare it "in the face", so to speak, like Locke and Echo did. Many have seen it, as it traveled around. They saw a vague image of it. Locke and Echo stared directly at it. Locke is still intrigued and wants to know from Ben what it is. I think that Echo new what it was because when he looked at it, he stared it down nose to nose and it left. I think he scared it! LOL

[cheapshot11b]

Abaddon leaves a trail of black smoke as he exits the room, if I remember.
I don't know if Abaddon is smokie, but that's weird.


Smokie is a djinn (imo)
Since we are between episodes, you might have time to check out this theory:

http://www.quasiadam.com/theoryenglish.html

if it doesn't work, just google search quasiadam theory.

[ScottyB]

Okay, here I go again...
Alvar Hanso, The Hanso Foundation: The "good guys" and it's subsidiary companies including Dharma Industries, etc. and all related characters. The "good guys" were experimenting with new sciences relating to aging, electromagnatism, etc. as the old Hanso Foundation website showed. From that old website, Persephone (one who played will know) was a"spy" and she is believed to really be Pennelope Widmore. I think she is a double agent type person. They control a great deal of wealth in the world. I think that Jacob is the manifestation of good. Jacob is the leader and controls Ben.
Charles Widmore, Widmore Industries: The "bad guys" and it's subsidiary companies and people including Matthew Abaddon. I did some checking on what Abaddon means. Abaddon can mean both good and evil. But, in this case, I believe Abaddon is evil...very evil. Abaddon was the devil himself in the Biblical Antiquities of Philo. I believe that Abaddon the person, is a manifestation of the black smoke. I believe the black smoke is a "spirit catcher" collecting souls. That is why only Mr. Echo and John Locke have seen it. They are/were both very spiritual. I believe that Abaddon has come to take back the Oceanic 6 either to their true destiny, death, or back to the island. My guess is that you will begin to see Matthew Abaddon contacting the rest of the Oceanic 6 in upcoming episodes. Mr. Abaddon is leading the freighter people on behalf of Charles Widmore. They want the island for the power it contains, what the Dharma researchers experimented with; time travel, aging, healing, etc. I think that the statue of the four-toed sandle wearing foot and the polar bear skeleton found in the middle east are connected. The statue is possibly the remains of a famous colossus statue in Egypt. The statue is missing its legs from the knees down. I can't think of the name at this moment. Perhaps there was a problem when Dharma experimented with time travel, some sort of switch or desturbance in the balance of time and power. Perhaps that was how Abaddon was unleashed. "Only time will tell."
The original occupants of the island, the Others, I believe were shipwrecked on the island from the Black Rock. I believe that the island has slowed down the aging process.
Somehow, I think that Paik Heavy Industries, Sun and Jin and their daughter will begin to play a larger role in the upcoming seasons. I think that Paik Heavy Industries will be the major third player in what will transpire. As to Claire's baby Aaron and Sun and Jin's baby Ji Yeon, maybe they are the new beginning.
There are a lot of "red herrings" thrown in the show to take people down paths that dead end and confuse. The writers are masters of this. Check all clues but be aware of it. One last thing, I read somewhere the the final show of the series in a few years will actually end with a "question mark" in true JJ Abrams style. So, we will never actually have any real ending or closure of the series. Okay, I put it out there. Please comment on my thoughts. Thanks for listening folks.


WOW.. actully taken the time to sit and read that (as amaizing as it may seem lol, no offence) you actully make alot of valid thoughts!! very intreaguing stuff!!

[R.I.P.Charlie]

we have already seen the question mark on the island, that would suck if that were the final scene.

[GodlessM]

Wherever you read about the show ending in a question is false
my man. Some conference thing back in 07, Lindaloff and Cuse
announced that the show would end in 2010 after three more
16 episode seasons (this was before season 4 obviously), and
they said that all would finally be revealed.

[GodlessM]

And I'm sorry but that Quasi smokey theory thing
just...NO!!!

Like the Genie part was plausable but then adding in
stuff there that never happened like multiple monsters
laughing between them? Why bother?

The whispers were from the others.

And the images shown, and the noises heard as a result
of the monster are all memories from one place/person
or another that have at one time been part of or on
the island, eg. Polar Bear roar, EMP resultant clanking, etc.

[GodlessM]

And btw, as interesting as it was, that wasn't black smoke
behind Abaddon, it was just his shadow, watched it a few
times and took some still frames just to be sure.

[islander]

And I'm sorry but that Quasi smokey theory thing
just...NO!!!

Like the Genie part was plausable but then adding in
stuff there that never happened like multiple monsters
laughing between them? Why bother?

The whispers were from the others.

And the images shown, and the noises heard as a result
of the monster are all memories from one place/person
or another that have at one time been part of or on
the island, eg. Polar Bear roar, EMP resultant clanking, etc.

i agree, but i liked the idea that there could be a "good" and "bad" smokie since sometimes smokie appears as a harmless apparition and sometimes it kills or attempt to...maybe there are two of them.

[cheapshot11b]

And I'm sorry but that Quasi smokey theory thing
just...NO!!!

Like the Genie part was plausable but then adding in
stuff there that never happened like multiple monsters
laughing between them? Why bother?

The whispers were from the others.

And the images shown, and the noises heard as a result
of the monster are all memories from one place/person
or another that have at one time been part of or on
the island, eg. Polar Bear roar, EMP resultant clanking, etc.

have you ever read the whisper transcripts? Look on lostpedia. It doesn't sound like the others to me.

[cheapshot11b]

And btw, as interesting as it was, that wasn't black smoke
behind Abaddon, it was just his shadow, watched it a few
times and took some still frames just to be sure.

good to know. thanks. sometimes i see things that aren't there.

[GodlessM]

The answer to why it sometimes kills and sometimes doesn't is
actually quite simple to fathom. If you think about all its
appearances and actions, I would think it's safe to say that
ol' smokey is a messenger of faith. When people lead the right path,
they are unharmed, when they stray they are punished, and when
they are plain wrong(Nikki), or have failed(Eko), then they are
killed off. And taking into consideration that smokey could extract
Eko's thoughts, this really could make alot of sense.
Aswell as being some sort of pet or something to Jacob, who
was also an important biblical figure.