"Never say Never" Jack / Ben / Hurley

[flibbertigibbet]

When Jack & Ben are playing chess, talking about Jack getting off the island... Ben infers another power will prevent Jack from leaving the island. Ben even says that someday Jack might want to come back to the island... and that Jack should, on that day, "remember this conversation." Jack says he will never want to come back. Ben: "Never say never."

At the institution, when Jack is checking on Hurley, Hurley says *IT* wants us to come back. Jack says they can never go back. Hurley "Never say never."

So if Jack follows Ben's instructions and thinks of the conversation they had while Hurley is telling him to go back... and saying "it" is bringing them back... it so reinforces what Ben told Jack about "the island won't let you go."

Seems like Jack didn't get off the island at all.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

pretty cool theory, I can see where ur coming from the sort of spiritual aspect, it sounds like your a little bit off your rocker here, care to shed some more light on what your trying to saY?:o

[flibbertigibbet]

I read a theory in another post about the flash forwards being similar to "The Matrix".. induced consciousnesses & experiences. I was wondering if the "Oceanic 6" and the whole flash forward world is somehow fake? I mean, the opening scene with Hurley crashing through the fruit in that car... it didn't feel real.

So when I say, "I don't think Jack got off the island at all..." - I'm wondering if Jack is just dreaming that he is off the island. Because that's how the island wants it.

[bunnydixon]

i didnt understand the matrix lol!

do you mean that the island is merely making them think they are back in the real world when they are actually trapped on the island in some kind fo comatose state or the likes?

[hunter8768]

I think they get off the island somehow. I think you were right in saying it is something like a state of mind and that in Jack's mind, he will always be thinkink of the island and therefore never leave it.

[missjulie]

I like this thread. The entire show has had an overcast of spirituality/religion, so a different level of consciousness makes total sense for the Oceanic 6.

What if the Hanso/Dharma/whoever is controlling the experience that Jack, Kate and Hurley are having? Maybe the "other" facility by the ocean that Hurley was offered is "waking up"?

And about the chess game. Woa! This show just blows my mind. It reminded me of Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, click your heels together three times and think there's no place like home... but she was there all along...

Wow.