Jack Lieing in Finale

[bsbama]

Everyone knows that Jack knew whoever was in the coffin in Season 3's finale. We also know he answered "neither" to the friend of family question. This has caused us all to think "who, why, and what" this person did for Jack to care so much but not have them be a friend of family member. My theory matches what we saw in the Season 4 premiere. Hurley had to lie about who he knew (Anna Lucia) and didn't know. Jack in the season 3 finale said he's "sick of lieing."

My guess is he was lieing to the Funneral guy about the person being a "neither." I bet in the end it is someone that was close to him but maybe couldn't be awknowledged for whatever reason, we haven't found out. The neither was to keep lieing to anyone and everyone, as if he never knew the person?

[Dzbabykel]

I agree that they are lying but I really don't think it would have been someone super close to them because NO ONE showed up at all. So it wasn't someone that was well respected among them. I'm thinking possibly Ben.

[Brian]

Maybe, but we think that the people they had to lie about didn't leave the island , so why would they be back in the states having a funeral? It's interesting. then again, maybe it's Desmond, who wouldn't be one of the Oceanic 6 anyway....but Desmond's not from New York... it's interesting. the Great Coffin Mystery! When you think about there are a lot of people who could have left the island that are not from Oceanic flight 815 that it could be, and perhaps the oceanic 6 just aren't allowed to have contact with them, hence the lying, hence Kate saying "why would i go to the funeral?"

[King_Nate]

Yea With The Clues They Gave Us Its Not That Easy 2 Crack....
1) Man Who Was From New York, But Died In Los Angeles
2) Someone Who Jack Wasn't Friends Or Family With..*but Looked Broken Up About It*
3) And Since It Was In The "future" U Almost Wanna Think That It Might Have Been Someone Off Of The Island?????



,,,,,can't Wait Til Thursday!!

[bunnydixon]

you could well be right - who knows with lost lol!

[lexgrecu]

Here is my theory on Lost. Maybe its been said before. I think that there is a time travel element and a clone element to the story. There are clones running around the island. Somehow Jack and others were cloned by Dharma/or the others. This explains Locke walking, Rose's cancer being gone, etc...also explains Christian Shepard and Echo's brother being seen on the island perhaps?? And maybe Charlie still being alive...maybe it was Charlie's clone that Hurley sees at the mental instituion? I'm dead but I'm here. Maybe the clone is saying that the real Charlie is dead but the clone is alive?

What if Jack gets a number of real losties AND their clones off the island...but because they can't occupy same space in time (maybe they're not clones but two of the same person existing at same time because of a wormhole or something. For example, if Jack were ever to get sucked into a wormhole and transported back in time he would co-exist with himself until the time when we reach the present/future). So maybe Jack and Jack were forced to live on opposite coasts as part of an agreement. Then Jack sees that the other him has died. Kate's like "why would I go to the funeral?" because it was the clone...OR WAIT WAIT WAIT....what if the "he" that Kate refers to as in "I can't be gone long, he'll wonder what happen to me" that she tells L.A. Jack is because she's really with the real Jack!! But they both love her because Jack/Jack are the same people...one the future jack and one the past jack...or one the clone jack and one the real jack.

I think there are two Jacks. I will be the first I think to make this prediction: Either Jack is in the coffin OR Jack is the "he" that Kate is with in the future...and the other Jack knows that it has to be that way so he is a wreck. There are two Jacks...and possibly two of many other losties.

I'm new to this forum so be easy on me if this has all been said before.

[Dzbabykel]

Haha wow Lex, that was elaborate! :) I agree with you fully on the time travel thingas there are a lot of things pointing to that in the show. The idea that maybe there is another Jack or possibly Jack is the one in the coffin has been put out there and I think it could be possible, but I don't necessarily think they are "clones". I think if we go along with the time travel thing, (and I just had an idea) maybe Jack is stuck in the future somehow which is why he tells Kate they need to go back. Maybe they are back in the US along with their future selves or something? Haha maybe I'm thinking too much on Back to the Future, but you know how Marty the whole time was trying to get back to the present time. Maybe Jack isn't referring to "going back to the island" but going back to present time??

Its hard to explain the possible explanation I'm thinking of and its def far fetched somehow time travel is an element associated with the show, I just don't know how they are planning on explaining it :)

[lexgrecu]

continuation on this...let's assume its not Jack in the coffin and that my other theory is correct. That there are two jacks in the future. so future L.A. Jack wants to get sucked down the rabbit hole again so he can get back on the island, prevent the bad guys from creating the other Jack (we'll call him NY Jack), so that LA Jack can be with Kate.

L.A. Jack had to take the identity of Surgeon Jack and the NY Jack went off to be with Kate because Kate is a fugitive. They are living a secret life under differnet names and LA Jack isn't supposed to contact them. But he can't help it. Kate doesn't want to go back to the island because she's with the man she loves - JACK.

I'm probably way off...but it sounds kind of cool.

[lexgrecu]

Let me correct myself...it's not my theory...since the whole time travel thing has been put out there. I meant "my guess."

I agree that the time travel thing makes much more sense than the clone thing.

Also, I think the hatch and the numbers that needed to be put in every few minutes were to prevent the wormhole from opening. Desmond let it open by mistake and it sucked in the Oceanic 815. The antartic group at end of season 2 is monitoring openings in the wormhole. The hatch was destroyed at end of season 2 but I'm thinking that somehow they might fix it to transport off the island and back to the time they belong.

I wonder if Desmond's ability to see the future relates to him being from the future...don't know how that would work...but his seeing the future is really him seeing the past because he's been there already but can't really remember it...for some reason.

I don't know...my head's going to explode! :)

[lost_in_lost]

really cool guesses. i am of the opinion this has something to do with the time travel or parallel world theory of quantum mechanics. not certain abt the cloning part. however its so cool to think abt the future desmond coming to the present n being able to predict whatz gonna happen. mayb when he opened the key something happened in between before he woke up in the jungle again...who knows...???? so many unanswered questions jus drives me crazy...all in all..an awesome show...

[aZiXx]

Interesting idea about Desmond being form the future. But I have this point to make. When Desmond was reliving his past life experience, he met Charlie plating guitar on the street, this was before Charlie was in the band.

This replaying of his memory, was not the actual memory, but it was of the same time frame of his original memory. The actual memory he mentioned in that scene, was that he came out to meat Penny and it started to rain. And that is what happened in his recreation, it started to rain like when he originally lived that experience. Just this time he didn't go to meat Penny right away since he was having deja vu he got side tracked and this time in this reliving the past moment he was where Charlie was. So if you take these chains of events, Desmond comes from the normal time, and his experience in that episode, with meeting the jewelry lady, was to convince him that he was destined for a greater thing, the failsafe key to save everyone, and that he can't change what he has done in the past because the universe has a way of course correcting things. He was meant to go to the island.

[Dzbabykel]

Remember Desmond had those flashbacks about helping Charlie and the flashback of buying the ring and even the bar scene when he tried to warn the bartender....this all happened right AFTER he had turned the key in the swan station. Maybe he fell into that supposed "wormhole" or whatever the guy in the video talks about since it looks to me like the orchid station where they do this time travel stuff seems to possibly be behind that random wall (another room?) in the swan station. Maybe the casimir effect occurs at that particular spot...which could be the reason all of a sudden his memory returned to somewhere in the past YET he knew of everything from the future???

I thought of so many ways of how to explain this and its so hard, haha its like it makes some kind of sense in my head but its hard to type. It's a stretch but does anyone see what I'm saying?

[lexgrecu]

That says it best regarding my thoughts on Desmond...perhaps after he turned the key he got sucked one way through the wormhole and in passing his future self which got dragged back through (swapping places) they exchanged memories.

Anyway, the discussion that I want to have is that there are two jacks and two Kates in the future. I've changed one theory of mine in the past hour or two. It's Kate in the coffin. Are we 100% sure the obituary said that it was a man???

I mentioned before that perhaps two of each get off the island. the two must decide who is going to return to their original life, family, job etc...and who will go out into the world as a John/Jane Doe and try to make a life for themselves. Neither of the two Kates can hang out with LA Jack because she is a fugitive. So one Kate goes off with other Jack and they start a new life of their own as Jane and John Doe somewhere. The other jack has their phone number but isn't supposed to call. So there is a Jack in LA who is longing for his love Kate but both kates are unable to be with him. Then he reads that one of the Kates died so he goes to the funeral. Of course nobody knows this kate so nobody goes. When he calls the living kate to meet at the airport he says "I thought you might go" and she was like "WHY would I go?" Maybe it was like "why would I want to show up at a place where my other self is dead...wouldn't people be like whoa!!" So she didn't go....

I don't know. The ONLY MAIN reason I think the coffin had either Jack or Kate in it is that its the last people that anybody would think of because the writers have "tricked" us into making an assumption that isn't true. They show us Jack...and then Kate...so we sit around and guess among the other losties while the writers laugh. hmmmmmmm.....

[Archangel-Player]

Everyone knows that Jack knew whoever was in the coffin in Season 3's finale. We also know he answered "neither" to the friend of family question. This has caused us all to think "who, why, and what" this person did for Jack to care so much but not have them be a friend of family member. My theory matches what we saw in the Season 4 premiere. Hurley had to lie about who he knew (Anna Lucia) and didn't know. Jack in the season 3 finale said he's "sick of lieing."

My guess is he was lieing to the Funneral guy about the person being a "neither." I bet in the end it is someone that was close to him but maybe couldn't be awknowledged for whatever reason, we haven't found out. The neither was to keep lieing to anyone and everyone, as if he never knew the person?
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I like that idea. Perhaps Jack was being forced to lie to fear that he would be breacking an agreement or be caught. Maybe the reason no one showed up was because They whern't supose to. For it may cause the press to be alert or a conceran with security. So no one was supose to show. That might be why Kate said why would I go. Maybe Jack was the only one with the guts to show up. Not my theiory. But just to throw a bone out there.

[hollie425]

yea it is rely odd how jack says," im sick of lying." so yea it does make me wonder why they have to lie...hmmmm

[Dzbabykel]

I have another theory about all this but haha its so hard to explain so I'll do my best. When Jack is saying "we have to go back!" and even when Hurley says it.....since time travel keeps coming up, maybe Jack isn't talking about going back to the island necessarily but MAYBE he's talking about going back IN TIME. This is such a far fetched theory but I'm throwin it out there anyway, but it could be that they are stuck in the future somehow and they really need to get back. I have lots of other thoughts on it but haha it won't make sense in this post! :p

Let me know what you think!

[1hourisntlongenough]

For sure...I never thought of it that way, just assumed he meant back to the island. I don't think it's far fetched at all to think he may have meant back in time!!! I like that, actually. Maybe he starts to believe that Locke was in fact right when he said "It's not supposed to happen like this, Jack"!! Now he wants to go back and change it all. Hmmm.....

[Archangel-Player]

I have another theory about all this but haha its so hard to explain so I'll do my best. When Jack is saying "we have to go back!" and even when Hurley says it.....since time travel keeps coming up, maybe Jack isn't talking about going back to the island necessarily but MAYBE he's talking about going back IN TIME. This is such a far fetched theory but I'm throwin it out there anyway, but it could be that they are stuck in the future somehow and they really need to get back. I have lots of other thoughts on it but haha it won't make sense in this post! :p

Let me know what you think!
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Actualy it's not far fetched. It doese seem LOST is being told from a pastense description. Perhaps the only way to keep this dark future that we see in the Flash Fwds from happening is to go back and change something. So I say that was a good theiory. Perhaps it's not something with the 2004 pat. But something needs to change durring some far off course in the island's past. We need an island centric lol. Man that would be a wierd episode.

[justme]

Let me correct myself...it's not my theory...since the whole time travel thing has been put out there. I meant "my guess."

I agree that the time travel thing makes much more sense than the clone thing.

Also, I think the hatch and the numbers that needed to be put in every few minutes were to prevent the wormhole from opening. Desmond let it open by mistake and it sucked in the Oceanic 815. The antartic group at end of season 2 is monitoring openings in the wormhole. The hatch was destroyed at end of season 2 but I'm thinking that somehow they might fix it to transport off the island and back to the time they belong.

I wonder if Desmond's ability to see the future relates to him being from the future...don't know how that would work...but his seeing the future is really him seeing the past because he's been there already but can't really remember it...for some reason.

I don't know...my head's going to explode! :)

I really like your thinking