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InLikeFlynn

02-05-2008, 10:39 PM

I wonder if this will ever resurface in futur episodes. She was a major player in his early life....1ST friend etc. Also he is seen looking at the gift she made him on his resent birthday just before taking Locke to see Jacob. Every scene has a purpose on LOST.

UnknownPoster

02-05-2008, 10:40 PM

Frankly I would be stunned if they DON'T mention her at some point
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Dzbabykel

02-05-2008, 10:56 PM

Yah I DEF think she's going to come up again, they never explained if she was killed or not and I doubt Ben would want her to die since she was the only friend he had. At first I thought she may have been Rousseau but after continuing with the episodes I know thats not the case. But yah I HOPE they bring that back up!

UnknownPoster

02-05-2008, 11:00 PM

This is off topic, but i always thought that if Ben is such a super-genius or whatever, why was he a janitor at Dharma?

More on topic - those kids in the classroom could only get so much education on he island. Maybe they were sent to the US for college or something.
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youalleverybody

02-05-2008, 11:22 PM

In response to why Ben was a janitor:

I think that Dharma was sort of run like a communist colony in the Marxist way. Everyone had their role and that's what they did.

jmarcroyal

02-06-2008, 04:26 AM

I have a theory that she is infact Kate. Notice how Annie had the freckles? I could see her getting brainwashed into thinking she was Kate and taken off the island

UnknownPoster

02-06-2008, 04:49 AM

jmarcroyal

02-06-2008, 08:53 AM

Either time works differently on the island, or the island effected Kate when she left.

I think that the time on the island originally went maybe half the speed as normal time, but after the incident, the temporal polarity switched and then island time worked twice as fast. Due to the other island properties, Ben and whoever else didnt age as rapidly as a normal person, so the time didnt effect Ben and Co as much as asomeone in the outside world.

Kate meanwhile aged normally, so if both were 10 when Annie left the island, Ben aged twice as fast, so 15 years later, ben aged roughly 30 years making him 40, and Kate aged normally so she is 25. Hope that makes sense.

bunnydixon

02-06-2008, 10:59 AM

i think ben was a janitor as thats what his father was so he just fell into that role.

i am sure if ben was attached to annie in the way he seems to be - he would have went to see her body after the purge thats if she was killed but maybe she is not. eh could even have sent her away from the island eventually and maybe now he feels that is the wrong decision?

however he looks at that doll in such a way that would suggest he either misses her or regrets something that happened with her - its very forlorn.

4-8-15-16-23-42

02-06-2008, 11:31 AM

Ben also dresses her up and has breakfast on the beach with her in an earlier episode almost as if it was a date. Maybe he was re-living moments of his own of which Kate had no memory of.

bunnydixon

02-06-2008, 11:46 AM

and she comes back REALLY bruised so what is that all about?

OMG - you dont think he was trying to impregnate her? but she also slept with sawyer so people would think it was his.

she also has annie as an alias in one episode.

but then what about her mother, dad & stepdad? adoptive or her real parents?

1hourisntlongenough

02-06-2008, 01:49 PM

Wow!!! I like where this is going....I think you're on to something here!!!! I had forgotten about that Annie story...and Kate using Annie as an alias. Hmmm.....:eek:

Archangel-Player

02-06-2008, 02:15 PM

Somehow I don't think this is Kate's first time on the island, but how do you explain the age diff between Kate and Ben. We know that Kate and her ex buried that time capsule at age 9, so it sounds like she aged naturally since then.
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Good point she was 9 in her flash back. Annie was or seemed around 9 at the tim eof Ben's flash back. Thathad to be atleast 20-30yrs ago. Kate is said to be in her 20's now that is what her profile saids. She seems very young looking and at the 20 yrs of age point. Perhaps even off the island she was able to keep from aging so quickly Just like Richard hasn't aged or seems he hasn't aged one bit since 20 yrs ago meeting Ben.

ahhh I just thought of something. What if the temple has the power of rejuvnation. Much like Apocalypse in Marvel comics. He uses a rejuvnation temple to keep his body imortal and rejuvnated. Perhaps that is how Richard has become so seemenly ageless. Where Ben hasn't been inside the rejuvnation chambers because he was needed to become a grown man which would be more respected than a mear boy as he was. Perhaps that is why Richard told him to be patiant. It would take some time for Ben to grow up 20 yrs was good enough so Richard left the temple and looked for Ben to complete the plan of the purge. Where a now grown Ben is ready to become the leader. As the once leader Richard looks on as a guide. In the time of Richard's rejuvnation period Ben became knowlaged with the history of the Hostiles learning everything. That is when he came across Jacob or who brought Ben to him. Perhaps it was smokie that told Ben to do the purge and it was against the rule of Jacob. Perhaps Richard doesn't know that Jacob is heald captured. Perhaps Smokie manipulated Richard's mind as well as everyone else with this room 23. :-) Sory about the off topic subject there. It just came to me and I typed it lol.

TuesdaySmith

02-06-2008, 04:40 PM

I don't know about this theory..

If Kate was there before, then what about her past at home? Like someone else mentioned, what about her mom, dad, and Wayne? Does that mean you think they all lived there? I don't buy that.

I also don't believe that Kate was on the island in the past, because she doesn't really seem to have a connection with it. She seems to really want to get off, more than some other people, and in the flashback she seems pretty clear about not wanting to go back (as Jack does).

I can see Ben using her to relive his own memories, but I don't think she was part of those memories, just a replacement for Annie.

stream

02-06-2008, 05:33 PM

I agree with Tues, she can't be Annie

heavensprincess

02-06-2008, 05:47 PM

I don't think it's Annie either. The age difference the family ties...doesn't add up.

hollie425

02-06-2008, 07:37 PM

my sister thought that maybe ben liked annie so much that he sent her off the island, before they killed everyone, and now shes coming back on the frater.. idk

Archangel-Player

02-06-2008, 08:47 PM

megaloman

02-06-2008, 09:05 PM

i definatly think we will see her again. my theory is that she left before the purge and has a character placement in the real world (off the island) and will be a factor of how the island is found

UnknownPoster

02-06-2008, 10:34 PM

Ben was loser as a kid. One thing I know about loser guys is that they like a girl and she wants to be just friends. I assume this happened w/ Ben and Annie.

Also I don't think Be would have had the clout at that time to send her off the island.
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ScottyB

02-06-2008, 10:39 PM

But if i remember correctly, when ben killed his dad in the car, the Earlier inhabbitants of the isalnd wiped out the Darma people. All of them, there where bodys everywhere.

unless i am mistaken?

Dzbabykel

02-06-2008, 10:43 PM

But if i remember correctly, when ben killed his dad in the car, the Earlier inhabbitants of the isalnd wiped out the Darma people. All of them, there where bodys everywhere.

unless i am mistaken?

Yah I think thats what he said but we never actually saw how the purge was carried out. I really think there is some story on what happened to Annie that we'll find out later. They wouldn't keep showing that doll she gave him and how much it means to him if there wasn't something more to the story.

ScottyB

02-06-2008, 10:47 PM

Yes i was thinking maybe she got sent home from the island?

maybe she is on the rescue boat, and when the man who parachuted out of the chopper SAys " Rescuing you is not our primary objective" it could be annie looking for ben?

just a thought.

Dzbabykel

02-06-2008, 10:59 PM

Ben also dresses her up and has breakfast on the beach with her in an earlier episode almost as if it was a date. Maybe he was re-living moments of his own of which Kate had no memory of.

Great observation!! I didn't even notice that, yah I really think there is some big story regarding Ben and Annie they haven't explained to us yet. They wouldn't keep showing the doll and showing how much it means to Ben if it didn't have some significance.

bhargrove

02-07-2008, 12:31 AM

When did Annie leave the island. Wasn't she killed when everybody else was exterminated by Ben using the gas?

Dzbabykel

02-07-2008, 12:38 AM

When did Annie leave the island. Wasn't she killed when everybody else was exterminated by Ben using the gas?

That was never revealed....we can only assume she would have died with the others but I honestly I doubt it.

InLikeFlynn

02-07-2008, 01:47 AM

Something may have happened to Annie prior to the purge. And this event could have been a catalyst to Ben agreeing to participate in the purge. Maybe died needlessly due to Dharma. Or she may have brushed him off or started dating another guy etc. Then Ben snappped. Just a thought. But I think she will show up again. Lost has a plan for her.

SLForney

02-07-2008, 06:38 AM

Yeah what ever the case may be with Annie. I don't think Ben let her die with the rest of Dharma. if she did die. It was before the purge and not by Ben's hand.Probly by a sicknes sof some type.

But I don't think she is dead and we will be seeing her again. I to belive Ben sent her off before the purge happend.
I don't know about Ben sending her off the island, he didn't have that power with Dharma??? How could he have ordered her/sent her off the island when he didn't have the power to do so, like we said before he was a janitor with Dharma.
IDK, that is my two cents.

justme

02-07-2008, 02:03 PM

Im just not sure what to think I don't belive that Kate is Annie but it is weird that she choose to use that as her allias.

suzisunshine1

02-07-2008, 10:47 PM

Ben was just following in Daddy Dearest's footsteps as a "Workman".

There has been quite a bit of discussion about the Kate-Annie connection. And unless it is proven that there is a time travel/age defying whatever thingy going on, (which is possible b/c Richard isn't aging) then we can't declare Kate as Annie. I think that Ben is enough of a cold hearted bastard to kill his one and only friend to create the new slate for himself as the leader of the new group.

Anvyl Socko

02-08-2008, 03:07 AM

What if Annie is Kate's mother I don't ever remember her real name being used in any of the flashbacks

And Ben does seem to know everything about everyone he has ever met.

lostintranslation

02-08-2008, 03:24 AM

that is a good possibility... matter a fact in the first flash forward at the end when kate and jack meet up at the airport, kate said that "he" was waiting for her. she never said a name, but kinda lead you to think sawyer. but maybe the "he" is ben!

1hourisntlongenough

02-08-2008, 03:25 AM

natty

02-08-2008, 01:56 PM

I think Ben got Annie pregant, and she died in childbirth. That's why he's so obsessed to find out why the mothers all die on the island. Not sure what happened to the baby, unless it died too. That may be why Ben took Alex and raised her as his own.

Ben could have killed his and Annie's child out of rage. Point of interest: Ben's mother died in childbirth also, and Ben's father always blamed Ben.

Dzbabykel

02-08-2008, 03:22 PM

Wow! You bring up a really great point, what if Annie somehow DID get off the island and grew up....she could be someone really significant that we've already met like you said either Kate's mother, or I dunno anyone from the flashbacks that are associated with the Losties. I think it would be a definite possibility :)

Also think about it, her name could have changed, haha ya never know.

lostpenguin

02-08-2008, 04:45 PM

What if Annie is Kate's mother I don't ever remember her real name being used in any of the flashbacks

And Ben does seem to know everything about everyone he has ever met.
To me, this is the most plasible theory yet on the Kate/Annie connection. Even if Ben didn't have the clout with Dharma, he had enough freedom to help plan implement the purge...meaning he could probably have gotten Annie out. With as many people as we know traveled back and forth on the sub, Annie could have gotten off the island and gone on to live the miserable life like it looks like Kate's Mom had...in fact, who was her stepfather that Kate killed? Someone else from the island?????????

BriGuy0419

02-08-2008, 04:54 PM

I think Annie is dead. Hey... just a theory. lol

lost_in_iowa

05-13-2008, 05:00 AM

Could Charlotte be Annie? Or maybe even Penny........annie--penny.......hmm

Lockeisthekey

05-13-2008, 06:58 AM

Ben seemed almost obsessed with the problem of women dying in childbirth. He went to great lengths (of course, he does with everything) in getting Juliet to the island in an effort to solve this problem and seemed very upset when she couldn't find a solution. Now, he was their leader and saw himself as supremely responsible for everyone's well being, but it was like a crusade with him. I think Annie died in childbirth. With his child. And that's why he stole Alex.

Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid

05-13-2008, 12:25 PM

You do realize the writers are all laughing at all of our comments, don't you?
lol
I think we all love Ben so much (or some of us to) that we want more than anything for him to have or have had some semblance of a "normal" life, so we are all hoping Annie will resurface either in flashback or as in the present.
I do sort of think she married Ben and died either being the first or one of those pregnant women who died on the island.
But I don't think he stole Alex because of that. Ben's a lot of things, but he's not psycho. I really think he saw an opportunity to not let another young child suffer like he did and thought he'd be in a better position to give her a "better life". He stated that about the kids from 815...
Or maybe I just love Ben a little too much???

Archangel-Player

05-13-2008, 04:22 PM

I don't know about Ben sending her off the island, he didn't have that power with Dharma??? How could he have ordered her/sent her off the island when he didn't have the power to do so, like we said before he was a janitor with Dharma.
IDK, that is my two cents.
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Yeap and the Hostiles had automatic wepons and whern't part of the DI. So that tells me that they stay some where and have the means to gain the things they need. So if Ben had a request for someone to be saved and he was doing them a huge favour by excuting the high elder's plan to elimnate the DI. Then id imagine she was sent off. That's my two cents.

JPOD15

05-13-2008, 05:32 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but when Julliet was first brought on the island Richard or one of the others say, "She looks just like her," I always figured the her they were talking about was Annie. So i think that she is dead but not sure if it was caused by childbirth or Ben killing her.

get_lost_in_luv3

05-13-2008, 05:44 PM

maybe she helped widmore find the Island, so she can get back to Ben.

Archangel-Player

05-13-2008, 08:35 PM

This is the picture of the woman I belive the Other's spoke of when saying "She looks just like her" I belive that was Harper who said that line.

http://images.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/6/62/4x09_ben_painting.jpg/200px-4x09_ben_painting.jpg (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:4x09_ben_painting.jpg)

It's not confirmed who this was in the picture but it strongly resmbales Emily Linus Shown here

http://images.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/e/e1/3x20_emily_is_creepy.jpg/250px-3x20_emily_is_creepy.jpg (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x20_emily_is_creepy.jpg)

Who Ben also has a picture of both his father Roger and his mother Emily. Shown here

http://images.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/c/c2/3x20-roger-emily-photo.jpg/800px-3x20-roger-emily-photo.jpg (http://images.lostpedia.com/images/c/c2/3x20-roger-emily-photo.jpg)

lost_in_iowa

05-13-2008, 09:30 PM

Could Juliette be Annie? She does have a special talent of fertility doctoring? She was able to help her sister....
Was that why Ben was so mad about her affair with Goodwin?

Turnip Queen

05-13-2008, 11:11 PM

Yeah there's something going on with Kate having 'Anne' as her middle name - it's a bit of a coincidence - only Ben isn't obsessed with her or anything. And now we have Ben and Locke having a mother with the same name. Is it all just coincidence? Locke is supposed to be taking Ben's place. I'd say Kate took Annie's place, only Ben doesn't spend any time with Kate, if he obsessed over her like he did Juliet then I'd be more suspicious.

Diamond Girl

05-14-2008, 12:16 AM