Ben did not set up Sayid or kill Nadia

[ilovesmedes]

I keep reading that people think Ben killed Nadia to set up Sayid. While at the hotel lobby Ben saw Sayid on TV talking about burying his wife. That's how he knew Sayid was in Iraq. I'm beginning to believe Ben really is a good guy.

[Hysteric]

We don't know Ben did not have Sayid's wife killed/ kill her himself just because it showed sayid on the tv.

I saw derek jeter get interviewed on tv the other day in new york. I knew he was in new york because he lives in new york... not because of the interview. Its full possible ben knew where sayid was before he saw it on tv.

[Westcoast_Toro]

LOL...Ben is not a good guy. I don't know if he had anything to do with Sayid's wife dying, but he is NOT a good guy

[imascootinspook]

I keep reading that people think Ben killed Nadia to set up Sayid. While at the hotel lobby Ben saw Sayid on TV talking about burying his wife. That's how he knew Sayid was in Iraq. I'm beginning to believe Ben really is a good guy.
Wasn't Ben already there before he saw the tv ?

[GodlessM]

I agree that its not like Lost to be a big conspiracy
where our good guy turns out to be our bad guy, so
I doubt Ben had anything to do with it.

But hes not a good guy, he is just the lesser of two evils

[mahalo_dude]

Ben is not responsible for Nadia's death. That, I believe.

[ConfidenceMan]

Ben is the good guy. He said so.

[thelawgiver]

If Ben had nothing to do with Nadia's death, why, oh why, did he have a signal light camera picture of someone leaving the scene of Nadia's death, or even how would he think he would need it? He certainly knew something was up, and if he was not involved in her killing, then he at least knew it was going to happen.
Also, note the strange discussion between Ben and the man before Sayid shot him. He slightly seemed to recognize Ben and then Ben told him he wanted him to take a message to Widmore and the man seemed puzzzled, like you have to be kidding me. It is so ambiguous you could interpret it that he worked for Widmore or Ben in killing Nadia. Ben benefits big time by getting rid of his assassin and recruiting Syaid to his side.

[lkeegan]

Ben , Ben, Ben you little sneak,,,always at the right place at the right time to move your pawn...and gain a mercenary.

[shawdawg]

I keep reading that people think Ben killed Nadia to set up Sayid. While at the hotel lobby Ben saw Sayid on TV talking about burying his wife. That's how he knew Sayid was in Iraq. I'm beginning to believe Ben really is a good guy.

That's what I been saying all along... He is one of the good guys;)..................

[XmasDVD]

Ben? Did someone call my name??

[Turnip Queen]

I believe Ben is a good guy - he'll do anything to have his way, but I believe he thinks he is doing what is best. And it was quite unnerving seeing him show actual emotion for Alex lying dead, that was so sad.

[wvugurl]

ok ben saw sayid on the tv and being at the hotel thing how would he be able to produce the pic of the guy driving away so quickly....i think it was planned, and when he seen it on tv, he knew it was done...


i have mixed feelings of ben-i love his character dont get me wrong-but i do believe he had something to do with this to get what he wants-sayid to do all his killings

[lostbaby]

Good guys aren't mass murderers. He assisted in murdering the Darma people including children. While I won't fault him for gassing his old man the abusive, grieving drunk, I can't se Ben as good. He also stole a shipwrecked woman's newborn. Although he gave Alex a better life........he could taken care of Danyille. He just left her there to suffer in issolation.
Ben is awful.

[stargazer]

Ben? Did someone call my name??

You're not real popular right now.:p

[Lost in VA]

I believe Ben is a good guy - he'll do anything to have his way, but I believe he thinks he is doing what is best. And it was quite unnerving seeing him show actual emotion for Alex lying dead, that was so sad.
I hate to disagree with you TQ, but as a parent I would of been out that door and sacrificed myself before I would of taken the chance Keamy might put a bullit in her head.

[notsolost42]

Of course Ben had Nadia killed. He set it up, he had the photo of the guy running the red light in L.A. already in his little hand to show Sayid. He met with him, the hit man (most likely prearranged as well) in Iraq at the time of the funeral. He probably told the guy to meet him there to see the result of his work and to finish paying him off. He finished him alright! It was the perfect way to get rid of his evidence, the hit man, and get Sayid onboard with him. A real two-for-one! It was a total set up to get Sayid (one day I will spell his name right, I swear!) to become his hit man. Who else could do the job flawlessly? He was in the Iraqi National Guard. He was already a hit man!

[ortrules]

I don't think Ben had to have set up Nadia's death. As we know, Ben is a well informed person about anything and everything he wants - so chances are he just got some intel from wherever he usually gets information. I have no doubt that Ben can find out Nadia was killed, find out who did it, and then be ready to present Sayid with information about who did it and use it to his advantage.

My thought is that the guy who Ben claims killed Nadia was working for Widmore. Widmore was going to present some evidence that Ben was responsible for Nadia's death and recruit Sayid to his team - but Ben got to him first. This would also explain why the guy was shocked to find out who Ben was, because he knows about Ben through Widmore.

[notsolost42]

Interesting thought. Still not convinced though. Ben's character makes me think differently.

[Missie]

Why is everyone takeing up for Ben? He is a murderer, and manipulator. He may not have killed Nadia, but he def set up Sayid. We saw that sneeky little smile after he got sayid to do his dirty work.

[gingergrant]

Ben is the good guy. He said so.

I like how you say that with your tongue in your cheek.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Ben is the good guy. He said so.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL I agree but LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

That's what I been saying all along... He is one of the good guys;)..................

That quote of yours -"With great responsibility comes great power - by another great man named Ben"....I want that on a tee shirt!!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

LOL...Ben is not a good guy. I don't know if he had anything to do with Sayid's wife dying, but he is NOT a good guy

tsk tsk, oh ye of little faith... anyway, he certainly uses convenient situations to his advantage, doesn't he? Let us just wait and see who eats crow in the end...(or gets their head stapled to the carpet and pummelled with rocks)

[Existentialist]

I don't think Ben is a good guy. But he is like Machiavelli--"the end justifies the means". He is probably aiming at a good cause. The Dharma people could have been into something unspeakable as far as ethics are conscerned, and he had to off them. He uses manipulation and negative tactics, but what he is fighting is probably very evil. Did you notice how Widmore looked in the last episode? He resembled the corpse that washed out on the island. He is rotten and decaying.

[wvugurl]

i have said before..hitler thought he was doing good for all man kind and look at what that turned out to be...

i love ben on the show..i think it is a great character...i just dont think he is nec good.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I don't think Ben is a good guy. But he is like Machiavelli--"the end justifies the means". He is probably aiming at a good cause. The Dharma people could have been into something unspeakable as far as ethics are conscerned, and he had to off them. He uses manipulation and negative tactics, but what he is fighting is probably very evil. Did you notice how Widmore looked in the last episode? He resembled the corpse that washed out on the island. He is rotten and decaying.

...except for your first sentence... lol But that's just me to defend him..
Anyway, I tend to agree with you that Dharma was probably into something unspeakable (good way of putting it, as we really don't know exactly what that was). I STILL am thinking that whatever it was that they saw as right, they had planned to do something very very wrong to make it happen and along comes Indiana Ben to thwart their effort.
And yes, I certainly did note how Widmore looked rotten and decaying...
think there's something in his whiskey that keeps him in tact while off the island long as he's drinking it? maybe he hadn't had his daily dose. lol

[Archangel-Player]

I want to say Ben shot Nadia. But Then again i don't think he did. He did use Sayid though rather he killed Nadia or not. He used Sayid's emotions on Nadia's death to have him kill Widmore's man for him. why Ben didn't do it him self is another story. Probly because he needed another person on his side. Sayid would be one of the top choices. The more people he can get against Widmore the more power he gains.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I want to say Ben shot Nadia. But Then again i don't think he did. He did use Sayid though rather he killed Nadia or not. He used Sayid's emotions on Nadia's death to have him kill Widmore's man for him. why Ben didn't do it him self is another story. Probly because he needed another person on his side. Sayid would be one of the top choices. The more people he can get against Widmore the more power he gains.

Yes, that's exactly right... and he told Sayid his flaw was letting his emotions control his brain. I do not think Ben killed or had Nadia killed though either.
It certainly was convenient, however, wasn't it... but yes, he set up Sayid to go to his side.
No one outsmarts Ben.

[ConfidenceMan]

I'm starting to wonder whether Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid or TurnipQueen is Ben's number one cheerleader...

[hunter8768]

If Ben had nothing to do with Nadia's death, why, oh why, did he have a signal light camera picture of someone leaving the scene of Nadia's death, or even how would he think he would need it? He certainly knew something was up, and if he was not involved in her killing, then he at least knew it was going to happen.
Also, note the strange discussion between Ben and the man before Sayid shot him. He slightly seemed to recognize Ben and then Ben told him he wanted him to take a message to Widmore and the man seemed puzzzled, like you have to be kidding me. It is so ambiguous you could interpret it that he worked for Widmore or Ben in killing Nadia. Ben benefits big time by getting rid of his assassin and recruiting Syaid to his side.
It is awful convienient that Ben had a picture of the guy leaving the scene of Nadia's death. Has anyone asked the question of why Ben had a folder of info about that guy?

Maybe it was just a picture of the guy (could have been taken anywhere) and Ben used it to fabricate the story that he killed Nadia to get on good graces with Sayid. Ben knew that he needed help to defeat Widmore. Sayid fit his needs nicely.

What bothers me is that it seemed very easy for Ben to gain Sayid's trust.

[ConfidenceMan]

Ben doesn't need Sayid's help to defeate Widmore.

[shawdawg]

Good guys aren't mass murderers. He assisted in murdering the Darma people including children. While I won't fault him for gassing his old man the abusive, grieving drunk, I can't se Ben as good. He also stole a shipwrecked woman's newborn. Although he gave Alex a better life........he could taken care of Danyille. He just left her there to suffer in issolation.
Ben is awful.

You are right but watching season 3, I think the scientists started the war with the orginal inhibitants of the Island and tried to take it over. YOUNG and I mean YOUNG, Ben thought that he was doing what he thought was right.

[shawdawg]

Ben doesn't need Sayid's help to defeate Widmore.

Maybe so, But I would take a person who knows how to inflict pain in the worse possible way over a pansy like Jack anyday.........:)

[shawdawg]

That quote of yours -"With great responsibility comes great power - by another great man named Ben"....I want that on a tee shirt!!

Thanks. Thought of it all by myself.......:cool:

[Panda]

I think there is no good guy at all in the whole series.
And we hardly know anything about Widmore to be able to judge if he is more evil than Ben is.
We know that Widmore is the father of Penny, that he is rich, and that he has a lot of influence and power. But we don't know what his motives are for what he is doing...we don't know why he wants the island back into his powers. We don't know if he ever had the control over the island. We don't know enough about Dharam. We don't know enough about the original inhabitants of that Island...if there were original inhabitants.
We don't know enough to judge who is right and who is wrong.
Maybe that is the moral of the whole series. No individual has enough knowledge about anything to be in a position to have the right to judge others.